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Rhyno posted:Except for the fact that the size of the holosuite doesn't work for baseball. The size of the holosuite doesn't work for the Alamo either, but somehow they make it work. Nothing about the holodeck/holosuite makes any sense if you put more than 30 seconds of thought into it.
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Phimosissy posted:both rule no the baseball card episode is awful, I just watched it this afternoon. it features The Jake Sisko
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Feb 13, 2017 21:40
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I like the baseball card one, has some great Weyoun.
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Feb 13, 2017 21:43
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Rhyno posted:Except for the fact that the size of the holosuite doesn't work for baseball. It doesn't really work for much of anything in either show due to its indicated physical size, so you have to imagine that the holodeck can actually deceive you into believing you're moving long distances in physical directions other than where you are actually moving, as well as making you perceive objects at illusory distances and trajectories as they move. This means that you lose all sense of time and space, and without those, sanity is the next to go. This is before things on the holodeck achieve lethality, sentience, and/or break permanently into physical reality.
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Feb 13, 2017 21:43
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Watching DS9, I now can't unsee the back of Worf's neck where the makeup doesn't get applied, and you can see Michael Dorn's lighter skin tone.
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Feb 13, 2017 21:45
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The bare holodeck itself is an illusion. You step through the arch and each person actually enters a small enclosed space in which the floor moves independently and the holodeck projects fake images directly into your retinas. OR just repeat to yourself "It's just a show, I should really just relax"
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Feb 13, 2017 21:47
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Do the books and comics ever go into what society is like outside of Starfleet? I feel like there's some merit to the old argument that progress would slow a lot once nobody has to work and everyone has access to holodecks.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:00
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Big Mean Jerk posted:just repeat to yourself "It's just a show, I should really just relax" New thread title and lock it.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:02
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Holodeck baseball would work with one or two real people in there, but no more than that.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:03
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I've been going through The 50-Year Mission, and it's loving hilarious that Braga used to throw such huge fits about people eating crunchy food in the writer's room, that there's like five separate people with stories about it. I feel like this explains so much about "Enterprise," somehow.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:06
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WampaLord posted:Holodeck baseball would work with one or two real people in there, but no more than that. Why do you say that? Holodecks can use warped perspective and treadmill tricks to space people much closer together.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:09
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I thought the holodeck and transporter technologies are the same thing and that you don't actually occupy physical space in the same way you normally do. Otherwise people would start running into the walls. I would have just had the game on Bajor.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:11
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The holodeck doesn't make sense no matter what. Why is it multiple stories tall if it's just using treadmills and trick perspectives? How big should they be so you can have the desired amount of people with an arm's distance between them? How much does it shuffle people around so they can properly interact with each other? How does all of this work with sound and smell being distant or not? Does every holoprogram smell like an empty featureless room? The holodeck was portrayed the way it does so the average viewer wouldn't notice those things.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:15
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PostNouveau posted:Do the books and comics ever go into what society is like outside of Starfleet? I feel like there's some merit to the old argument that progress would slow a lot once nobody has to work and everyone has access to holodecks. If you can chose to do whatever without having to worry about starving to death in a ditch in old age I think we would see more people pursue scientific pursuits. To a lot of people it's just plain interesting. I also doubt funding for the sciences will ever dry up - nations can't afford to be left behind just because a portion of their population is happy to sit around and play Second Life or whatever.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:19
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WeAreTheRomans posted:no the baseball card episode is awful, I just watched it this afternoon. it features The Jake Sisko Sounds like SOMEONE here is a soulless minion of orthodoxy e: vvv 
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WeAreTheRomans posted:no the baseball card episode is awful, I just watched it this afternoon. it features The Jake Sisko Soulless Minions of Orthodoxy account spotted. e: goddamn, nice ninja.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:22
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bull3964 posted:Why do you say that? Holodecks can use warped perspective and treadmill tricks to space people much closer together. There's only so much you can do to hide the fact that you've got 18 (plus fans) people all in like a 20 foot square room. It could work if everyone was in their own mini holodeck and they networked together, kinda like VR.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:24
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WampaLord posted:It could work if everyone was in their own mini holodeck and they networked together, kinda like VR. This is how I always rationalized the holosuite baseball episode. They networked all of Quark's holosuites together and had 4 or so people in each.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:27
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Well for all we know they could all be packed in there with like 1 foot of space between them and the computer is just creating holograms in their face and creating force fields all around them in such a way that the feedback matches the simulation perfectly at all times so that it feels like they're moving around even though it's all just haptic feedback. With a high enough roof they can be standing on force field platforms too. It's not that much more impossible than the idea of a holodeck in the first place, is it?
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Feb 13, 2017 22:35
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I always liked the way that the holodeck apparently projected an ever-so-slightly-larger monochrome version of everybody around themselves in Captain Proton.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:36
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ChairMaster posted:Well for all we know they could all be packed in there with like 1 foot of space between them and the computer is just creating holograms in their face and creating force fields all around them in such a way that the feedback matches the simulation perfectly at all times so that it feels like they're moving around even though it's all just haptic feedback. With a high enough roof they can be standing on force field platforms too. Not bad, but you need to find a way to tie this all into the main computer so that if anything goes wrong, it takes over the ship.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:46
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Payndz posted:I always liked the way that the holodeck apparently projected an ever-so-slightly-larger monochrome version of everybody around themselves in Captain Proton. Why would you think this is what happens? Easier, I think, to just slap a filter over people's eyes.
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https://twitter.com/StarTrek/status/831270003550912513
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Feb 13, 2017 23:34
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Sounds like the show will be spending a lot of time with the Shenzhou since they're casting a full bridge crew.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:40
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God, I hope all the credits are in that horrible font. CNMWN MCWMWNNMNWFM *cuts away instantly*
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Feb 13, 2017 23:40
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quote:Sam Vartholomeos has landed the role of Ensign Connor, a Junior Officer in Starfleet Academy assigned to the starship Shenzhou. His credits include The Secret Life of Walter Mitty and The Following.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:42
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Data Graham posted:God, I hope all the credits are in that horrible font. My thoughts exactly. Although the font itself isn't really to blame, it's the shading that makes all the letters look alike.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:43
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Oh hey it's Alec Baldwin's assistant from 30 Rock.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:44
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Is it just me or is CBS doing an amazingly bad job at promoting this series? They pretty much punted on the 50th Anniversary but I figured they would be more on the ball the new series.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:53
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WampaLord posted:Oh hey it's Alec Baldwin's assistant from 30 Rock. Ahhh! That's who he is! Prediction: he's the husband/paramour of the xenofungi dude.
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Data Graham posted:God, I hope all the credits are in that horrible font. I'll have you know that CNMWN MCWMWNNMNWFM is an incredibly accomplished actor.
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Evek posted:Is it just me or is CBS doing an amazingly bad job at promoting this series? They pretty much punted on the 50th Anniversary but I figured they would be more on the ball the new series. I've seen people promote their podcasts better than CBS has been promoting their new Star Trek show.
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Gonz posted:I've seen people promote their podcasts better than CBS has been promoting their new Star Trek show. It's hard for you to beat John Hodgeman at the end of each episode plugging Maximum Fun. That reminds me i need to get back to listening to the Greatest Generation.
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Feb 14, 2017 00:25
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God, The Ascent is so good. I'm enjoying the Quark/Odo bickering immensely. 
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I dub Sam Vartholomeos Greek Chekhov.
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dangerdoom volvo posted:the baseball episode of ds9 rules It would've been awesome if it turned out that one or more of Our Heroes had some actual talent for the sport that nobody knew about. poo poo, Nog's actor was actually a good baseball player, so he had to throw with his non-dominant hand so he could play badly. That way, you could have the Niners be a talented team that barely lost, rather than the lovely "lol we lost but had heart" nonsense. It's clear that in the Trek universe, one of the casualties of the third world war was baseball sabermetrics. this guy is not a baseball player, no wonder people stopped paying attention.
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twistedmentat posted:It's hard for you to beat John Hodgeman at the end of each episode plugging Maximum Fun. Just finished the Slickback Trilogy.
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MisterBibs posted:It would've been awesome if it turned out that one or more of Our Heroes had some actual talent for the sport that nobody knew about. poo poo, Nog's actor was actually a good baseball player, so he had to throw with his non-dominant hand so he could play badly. That way, you could have the Niners be a talented team that barely lost, rather than the lovely "lol we lost but had heart" nonsense. "This team of fictional characters didn't play baseball in a convincingly competitive manner, therefore the episode is poo poo even though its central theme concerns the relationship between the players and not the baseball game itself."
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MisterBibs posted:It's clear that in the Trek universe, one of the casualties of the third world war was baseball sabermetrics. this guy is not a baseball player, no wonder people stopped paying attention. Captain Kirk is not an astronaut, no wonder Star Trek was cancelled!
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Like the whole point of the baseball episode is that they got destroyed but they troll the Vulcans hard by laughing and celebrating anyway.
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