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It'd better be within estimates considering how badly promoted it got. I don't think NIntendo even put up anything about TMS on their YT.
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That's legitimately a thing that I will never understand. We don't expect this thing to sell well, so we won't advertise it. People don't know it exists, so it doesn't sell well. As a result, this retroactively justifies the decision to not advertise as any budget towards that would've been wasted according to these sales figures and as we've proven people aren't interested in this we don't need to make anything else in the future that's more polished or anything as clearly there isn't a market for it. It just... makes no sense, and creates a self-fulfilling feedback loop but I'm not exactly a marketing expert or anything so maybe it does make perfect sense and I'm just missing something really simple to someone who Gets It or whatever.
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Feb 14, 2017 01:20
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Carlioo posted:It'd better be within estimates considering how badly promoted it got. I don't think NIntendo even put up anything about TMS on their YT. They did https://www.youtube.com/user/Nintendo/search?query=tokyo+mirage
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Dragonatrix posted:That's legitimately a thing that I will never understand. We don't expect this thing to sell well, so we won't advertise it. People don't know it exists, so it doesn't sell well. As a result, this retroactively justifies the decision to not advertise as any budget towards that would've been wasted according to these sales figures and as we've proven people aren't interested in this we don't need to make anything else in the future that's more polished or anything as clearly there isn't a market for it.
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Feb 14, 2017 01:41
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I literally only knew about this at first thanks to the FYE I was working at promoting it's release with a single sign we didn't take down for months. That was the only place I saw anything about it, online or offline, until I was actively looking for reviews after getting a WiiU. It really does just feel like it was pushed out to fulfill an obligation more than anything on Nintendo's end, which is too bad for a game with as fun of a combat system. For all its flaws (looking at you, jiggle physics), I wish there was the possibility of more of these games, instead of having that chance cut off before it even came out.
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Feb 14, 2017 01:41
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Carlioo posted:It'd better be within estimates considering how badly promoted it got. I don't think NIntendo even put up anything about TMS on their YT. There were a couple features on their YouTube channel and they did multiple Treehouse segments on it. My impression is that that audience for it just wasn't that big to begin with and got smaller after The Great J-Pop Revelation. As for outfits, this game has some great ones, but Kiria's default Carnage Form sure isn't one of them.
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Feb 14, 2017 01:46
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Don't worry about Kiria's outfit, i'm sure the first chance Artix gets he's gonna put her in the reward outfit from her first sidequest and keep her in it like i've been doing with my playthrough because it's unarguably the best one for her 
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Feb 14, 2017 01:57
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Do I get to reveal my awful opinions already?  Kiria's outfits are universally terrible and her only good one is her street clothes. Yes, even the Labyrinth outfit.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:13
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Artix posted:I mean, it probably didn't help, but Splatoon sold almost 5 million copies. I'm not saying their circumstances were the same by any stretch of the imagination, but coming off the success of both SMT IV and Fire Emblem Awakening, you'd think TMS would do better than 50k, even on the Wii U.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:19
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I can already tell who Kiria's Stand is. Her outfit could seriously be worse.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:19
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FractalSandwich posted:Are those numbers global, domestic or just North America? 50k North America. It may or may not include digital sales, but we could generously double the sales at best in that regard.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:20
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Artix posted:Do I get to reveal my awful opinions already? I agree with this. All of Touma's outfits are great though. Especially his second sidequest one.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:24
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Artix posted:Do I get to reveal my awful opinions already? I have this opinion about a different character but that most definitely be spoilers to mention at this point. So i will say that i'm about half and half on Toumas and i believe one of Tsubasa's got changed for the American release? I believe it's the one that they replaced it with and is personally my second favorite next to aforementioned Kiria outfit. But different strokes for different folks i guess.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:27
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Artix posted:50k North America. It may or may not include digital sales, but we could generously double the sales at best in that regard.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:56
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Man, now I'm getting myself all hyped up about the bullshit device their secret base uses to detect Idolaspheres. They probably don't even have one.
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Feb 14, 2017 03:25
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It's because FE and SMT were on the DS and 3DS, and Persona is hanging around on the PS3/4... Well, nevermind. It's demographic is different from those games and a little closer to the persona demographic. I can't understand how video game marketing works anyway. Maybe if the WiiU gets a bunch of other games I want, I'll buy it. But with the switch around, I don't think it's happening. TMS looks great though. And Touma is awesome. I like it. A lot.
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Feb 14, 2017 03:39
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Glazius posted:Man, now I'm getting myself all hyped up about the bullshit device their secret base uses to detect Idolaspheres. They probably don't even have one.
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Feb 14, 2017 04:15
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AradoBalanga posted:Ten bucks it's shaped like the Fire Emblem shield from Awakening. I bet it's also named the "Fire Emblem".
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Feb 14, 2017 04:22
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Ugh, and here it is. The worst default outfit in this game. Seriously, how did this thing get accepted? The first thing wrong with it is her hair. I just can't take a person seriously as a sorceress when they have one of the most childish hairdo's possible. This impression isn't helped by those weird boxy ribbons in her hair. Then there's that eyepatch. Why an eyepatch? It's completely unnecessary. An impediment even. And it's not even a stylish eyepatch, it's some bulky poorly tied mess that looks like something made in an emergency with some spare cloth that happened to be on hand. The fur collar is also stupid as it doesn't even have anything to be the collar for. Is it even supposed to be one? Is it supposed to be shoulder straps? Either way, it's ugly and as I switched her out of that outfit ASAP I never got the opportunity to see how it looked from other angles. And then of course there's her breastplate that still leaves her midsection completely exposed and vulnerable. Gotta love that cliche, right?! Honestly I'm not thrilled about her staff being a microphone stand either, but at least that's justifiable due to the whole pop idol thing. At least that part makes sense.
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Feb 14, 2017 05:16
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I'm gonna talk a bit more about the outfit once she actually joins the party but at least if you dropped the eyepatch it would be a Miku outfit. Like, not a *good* Miku outfit, but nothing about it would be out of place if you loaded up Project Diva F. As is it's just a mess that tries to pull off like 4 different styles and doesn't hit any of them.
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Feb 14, 2017 05:23
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It's. It's literally Miku. Square floating hair ties and all. I think I've seen something like it in truly forgettable Vocaloid PVs. You already had Tiki doing a reference, did you literally need to put Miku's design in a game.
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Feb 14, 2017 05:55
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That Kiria outfit sure is something the mic stand staff is cool tho
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Feb 14, 2017 06:16
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she's been hexed
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Feb 14, 2017 07:48
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Maybe they put the eyepatch last minute because she would look and be too much like severa
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Feb 14, 2017 12:43
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Luckily you can change outfits a bunch in this game: I like to have everyone run about in their everyday outfits, Persona style. Also the biggest strength of this game is how well-paced it is. You're always getting new stuff for party members and new mechanics that make you more powerful keep getting introduced without it feeling like you were held back well beyond the halfway point.
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Feb 14, 2017 14:41
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She stole papa Neir's eye patch thingie
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Feb 14, 2017 16:59
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I thought they advertised this game a fair bit considering what it was, it's not like they just forgot about it. Plus the reaction to the first real trailer meant there was a decent chance people heard of it even if they didn't watch the directs it was in.
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Tae posted:Maybe they put the eyepatch last minute because she would look and be too much like severa Apparently the eyepatch is considered a key part of the original design. Her entry in the special edition's artbook says it's there to cast her as "kind of a divine oracle"
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Feb 14, 2017 17:58
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My opinion on Kiria's outfit: She lost a bet with her mirage and now she's stuck like that. That's the ONLY reason I can think of to have such a lovely outfit. At least she isn't Tillith from Brave Frontier (Mobile game).
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Feb 14, 2017 20:38
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KingEffingFrost posted:Apparently the eyepatch is considered a key part of the original design. Her entry in the special edition's artbook says it's there to cast her as "kind of a divine oracle"
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Feb 15, 2017 03:50
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The Norse god Odin traded an eye for wisdom. That's probably what they're going for here.
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The woman has butt feathers. I feel like we're giving a real hard time to an acceptably dork-rear end eyepatch while giving a free pass to a butt that looks like Lavos's first form.
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Edvarius posted:That's why that stupid thing is there? I think they missed the mark by more than a little, as that one never even occurred to me. I mean, if they'd gone and covered both eyes maybe that'd work for conveying the blind oracle trope, but whoever heard of an oracle that was only blind in one eye? Most oracles don't have to fight and aim magic, so I suppose it could be a concession to practicality - possibly the only one in the entire game. I like ultrafilter's interpretation though. It just sounds really SMT.
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Feb 15, 2017 05:31
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Feb 15, 2017 05:50
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Heads up, it's on sale right now at Best Buy for $35, with GCU (paid program) it's 28. Today only. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe-nintendo-wii-u/8713099.p?skuId=8713099
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I realise this is probably a dumb question, so take this with a grain of salt, but what is the "vagina bones" reference in the OP?
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Feb 15, 2017 07:40
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We'll get there soon enough, don't you worry.
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Rirse posted:Heads up, it's on sale right now at Best Buy for $35, with GCU (paid program) it's 28. Today only. Thanks for this actually. I wasn't sure if I wanted to pick up this game for full price, so this is a really nice discount. My local Best Buy has a copy in stock still too, so I don't have to pay for shipping. Bonus.
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ultrafilter posted:The Norse god Odin traded an eye for wisdom. That's probably what they're going for here. Odin had ravens to compensate She has a microphone
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