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Ratpick posted:I for one welcome the second wave of fantasy heartbreakers. (Or are we maybe on the third already? Does the d20 glut of the 2000s count as the second wave?)
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Is it surprising anyone? We're getting new people in the hobby and we don't have any records of our history that newbies would see so it isn't shocking history is repeating itself.
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Feb 14, 2017 19:30
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The Watch: a PbtA game about soldiers fighting a desperate war to save their homeland quote:The Watch is a tabletop roleplaying game set in a "light fantasy" setting known as The Clanlands. It takes place during a dark and horrific war between the now-united ten clans who live there and an invading force, known only as The Shadow. Looks pretty interesting so far. There's mechanics related to being worn down by the ravages of war, and it looks they take the Bonds idea from DW and build on them to make them actually a Thing as opposed to something you forget after character creation.
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Feb 14, 2017 19:32
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Litany Unheard posted:I found some text describing this board gaming tour de force on the wayback machine. All the image links are dead, but that's probably for the best: Even better, the game is a blatant ripoff of a game from 1980 that actually got produced. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3393/public-assistance My parents had a copy of Public Assistance that I think someone got them as a gag gift.
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Feb 14, 2017 19:39
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Huh. I got an early-access copy of the not-Puzzlebox RPG, Farflung. I'm not sure if that's a Valentine's present, or more like a candy heart that reads 'I watch you sleep.' Also, this was linked to me earlier: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/962794554/the-book-of-passion-ogl-375-mature-audiences Yes, someone else thought it would be a great idea to write another Book of Fucks Given for D20.
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Feb 14, 2017 19:48
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Bieeardo posted:Huh. I got an early-access copy of the not-Puzzlebox RPG, Farflung. I'm not sure if that's a Valentine's present, or more like a candy heart that reads 'I watch you sleep.' What's this 3.75 bullshit. If it's Pathfinder just say it you nobs.
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Feb 14, 2017 19:51
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Bieeardo posted:Yes, someone else thought it would be a great idea to write another Book of Fucks Given for D20. Back in my day we didn't need rules telling us how to pretend to gently caress each other. Rulings not rules! 
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Feb 14, 2017 19:53
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Ah, pregnancy rules, never understood why those aren't in d20 core. (Next, rules for bowel movements, important to track during long dungeon delves or overland griffon rides!) 
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Feb 14, 2017 19:59
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Kwyndig posted:What's this 3.75 bullshit. If it's Pathfinder just say it you nobs. They can't say Pathfinder because Paizo has their own pretty strict compatibility license requirements and that definitely breaks them.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:07
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Ah, pregnancy rules, never understood why those aren't in d20 core. (Next, rules for bowel movements, important to track during long dungeon delves or overland griffon rides!)
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Feb 14, 2017 20:08
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Designing a Fantasy Heartbreaker would make for a great design competition. Each contestant would have to choose from a list of "innovations" that they'd have to implement into their game.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:10
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Ratpick posted:Designing a Fantasy Heartbreaker would make for a great design competition. Each contestant would have to choose from a list of "innovations" that they'd have to implement into their game. Didn't we have one of those ages ago? That's where Strike! came from, if I remember correctly.
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Feb 14, 2017 20:14
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Ah, pregnancy rules, never understood why those aren't in d20 core. (Next, rules for bowel movements, important to track during long dungeon delves or overland griffon rides!) Have I got a d20 supplement for you
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Evil Mastermind posted:Didn't we have one of those ages ago? That's where Strike! came from, if I remember correctly. You might be right, but the way I remember it the competition it came from wasn't really about making a heartbreaker in the traditional sense, but making your ideal version of D&D. I think it happened around the time D&D Next was first announced. Jimbozig would probably remember the particulars better. What I'm talking about is making an honest to god heartbreaker as a creative exercise, starting with the idea of "Imagine that you know nothing about RPGs beyond D&D (or maybe Pathfinder) and now try to design the most innovative RPG ever!"
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Feb 14, 2017 20:27
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I think we can walk around the magical realm, as it turns out.
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Arivia posted:They can't say Pathfinder because Paizo has their own pretty strict compatibility license requirements and that definitely breaks them. This is a misunderstanding of trademark law. You can freely mention registered trademarks in your copy. You can't claim to be selling a product that is licensed by a company, or that purports to be "from" them, or "official," etc. But you can claim compatibility and there's nothing Paizo could do about it. You have a legal requirement to not confuse customers by stating or implying a trademark infringement, but there is no legal protection for competitors claiming that their products are compatible with yours. Examples: Ford can't do jack poo poo about third-party auto parts makers making parts that fit in Ford cars, and then explicitly stating which Fords those parts fit in. Back when Apple hardware and software was proprietary (before they switched to x86), they could not stop third parties from selling hardware that worked with their Apple computers, and stating so on the packaging. Microsoft could not stop third parties from making web browsers that could be installed on Windows and competed with Internet Explorer, and in fact they lost big lawsuits when they tried to programmatically prevent third party browsers from working properly. Even if they wanted to, Wizards of the Coast can' t prevent makers of card protector sleeves from stating on their packaging that their sleeves fit Magic the Gathering cards. etc. e. As an aside, Paizo has not patented their game system (which would be impossible given it's derivitive of prior art anyway) and therefore anyone can legally reprint the entirety of their game's mechanics, too. Not the fluff, not the art, not the descriptions of things, but the actual game mechanics are unprotectable and while they might piss and moan and send angry letters, they would unambiguously lose in any court action in which they tried to prevent someone from using the mechanics of their system for any purpose, including direct competition. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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Ratpick posted:You might be right, but the way I remember it the competition it came from wasn't really about making a heartbreaker in the traditional sense, but making your ideal version of D&D. I think it happened around the time D&D Next was first announced. Jimbozig would probably remember the particulars better. The idea of what you're saying is interesting, but how would it work? Like, taking a specific edition of D&D, then picking X recent innovations to graft on to it?
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Evil Mastermind posted:The Watch: a PbtA game about soldiers fighting a desperate war to save their homeland Been looking forward to this! They've been posting some interesting snippets/thoughts on G+ for months.
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Dammit Ratpick now you have me sitting here thinking about "what would the list of 'RPG innovations' from the past X years look like? How could they then be grafted on to BECMI/RC D&D?" 
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Feb 14, 2017 20:48
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Leperflesh posted:This is a misunderstanding of trademark law. I think she's referring to the Pathfinder Compatibility License, which lets you use an official PCL logo and the like, but has specific restrictions. Not that Paizo seems to watch products that use it very closely, but really egregious violations might catch their eye.
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Sure, but there's nothing stopping you from saying "works with Pathfinder" in your ad copy.
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Ah, yes they obviously get to control who can use that trademarked image and label. The kickstarter says "3.75 OGL" though and it could say something like "based on Pathfinder" or "rules compatible with Pathfinder". As long as they're not explicitly or implicitly invoking the PCL, they'd be fine. That said it's also fine to say 3.75 since everyone who cares will know what that means.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Dammit Ratpick now you have me sitting here thinking about "what would the list of 'RPG innovations' from the past X years look like? How could they then be grafted on to BECMI/RC D&D?" Well, if we were going by the original article that spawned the term Fantasy Heartbreaker, the irony in those games was that a lot of the "innovations" they touted had already been present in multiple RPGs, the fact that the authors touted them as innovations just betrayed the fact that the authors had never touched any RPG besides D&D. I'm thinking stuff like:
e: I'm actually trying to think back to the days when I only played D&D and Rolemaster to see if I can remember what elements from other RPGs gave me a feeling of "WHOA YOU CAN DO THAT IN AN RPG?!" and I think the biggest instances of that, for me, were WoD's morality meters (it's like you're putting a number next to your Alignment!) and Fate's Aspects (it's like you can get rewarded for acting according to your Alignment!). Ratpick fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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Bieeardo posted:Also, this was linked to me earlier: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/962794554/the-book-of-passion-ogl-375-mature-audiences I'm the hosed up elf-lady hand.   If your boss doesn't like fantasy lesbian kissing pictures. 
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Feb 14, 2017 21:06
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Best random injection of a points-buy system Best use of unusual polyhedral dice (D24, D16, etc.) Best replacement of Vancian magic with system blatantly derived from a 1990s video game Best use of trigonometry in combat simulation Best critical hits system Best spellcaster supremecy innovation Best hit location system etc.
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Ratpick posted:Well, if we were going by the original article that spawned the term Fantasy Heartbreaker, the irony in those games was that a lot of the "innovations" they touted had already been present in multiple RPGs, the fact that the authors touted them as innovations just betrayed the fact that the authors had never touched any RPG besides D&D.
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Feb 14, 2017 21:09
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How about another brilliant politically-themed card game! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676317460/slap-the-jackass-hillary-edition?ref=category_newest Can't anyone tell these poor sods that they shouldn't even bother launching the KS? They're never going to get funded unless the goal is like $10.
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Feb 14, 2017 21:10
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JazzFlight posted:How about another brilliant politically-themed card game! quote:Single Pack 
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Evil Mastermind posted:It still boggles my mind that we're here in TYOOL 2017 and there are still people who, when they realize that D&D/Pathfinder isn't working for them, will try to bend those games into new shapes they weren't meant to be in rather than just try one of the hundreds of other readily available games out there. Yes but on the surface it is at least easily explainable. Itīs the comfort in the familiar. By using the rules as they know and tweaking them in ways that seem "new" to them, they remain well within their comfort zone while still doing something they believe to be exciting. Its less a problem of the niche genre in not informing people of games with those "exciting features" but rather one of perception and reach (of those games that already feature those innovations).
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I think she's referring to the Pathfinder Compatibility License, which lets you use an official PCL logo and the like, but has specific restrictions. Not that Paizo seems to watch products that use it very closely, but really egregious violations might catch their eye. Yep. Leperflesh is right that you could just say compatible with Pathfinder if you wanted to, but the official compatible with Pathfinder logo is something Paizo restricts. And you actually do need to apply and get clearance from Paizo for each product you release using that logo as far as I know.
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Feb 14, 2017 22:35
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:
Fixed for you. I'm guessing the hand is hosed up because he had to trace around the genitalia in it.
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The_Doctor posted:Christopher... Walken...? uh i think you'll find that he is still extremely relevant here in 2009
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quote:Heroic action: a simple mechanism to resolve most non-combat conflicts. Each party rolls a D20, adds the appropriate bonus, and the highest roller wins! That's just skills you've done there. That's not a new thing. Evil Mastermind posted:Dammit Ratpick now you have me sitting here thinking about "what would the list of 'RPG innovations' from the past X years look like? How could they then be grafted on to BECMI/RC D&D?" It'd probably look like Beyond the Wall, maybe with aspects.
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Feb 15, 2017 00:01
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Godbound's Facts are basically aspects+13th age backgrounds anyway, given they give a bonus to attribute checks where they're applicable and give permissions for related minor special abilities. Like "Spend a fact, be a lesser magic archmage or Ancalian Knight-Lord" or whatever.
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Is anyone backing Quodd? I like the looks of the game but am afraid it is going to spawn a million arguments and be fiddly.
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Feb 15, 2017 01:14
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Got my copy of Mint Works today, and already spilled a bunch of the counters trying to wedge the cards and stuff out of the case. Found 'em all, thank goodness.
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The Fate Core KS just sent out the final version of Dresden Files Accelerated, leaving only Shadow of the Century to be delivered. So since 2013, they've delivered 11 books (half of which are complete RPGs) plus assorted knick-knacks like dice, the Deck of Fate, and digital goodies. That's on top of the Patreon, of course. Insert obligatory Far West reference here.
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But don't you know? Fred Hicks is a scam artist who something something transparency is a trick robble robble.
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