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Runaktla posted:I'd be skeptical of this supposed unanimous vote. Uh well that's very silly of you. That's like saying an anti trump protest would go down the same in the deep south as it would in portland. The referendum definitly vote was almost certainly not what was reported but it definitely had strong majority support-- there's basically no evidence to the contrary.
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Cat Mattress posted:Poland's current government is a huge embarrassment and it barely counts as being better than soviet domination because the EU is still constraining what PiS can get away with.
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Runaktla posted:I'd be skeptical of this supposed unanimous vote. I wasn't at the actual polls that day, but everyone in my family voted for it. I know that isn't some kind of official thing, but Crimea has a lot of Russians, and the tartars that have returned to the area are a minority. Hell, my older family members were born in Crimea when it was still a part of Russia and were mad when it got handed to Ukraine. In the beginning I was all pissed about it and telling them that life sucks without gas/power/food/etc. But now it seems to be taken care of somehow (are underwater powerlines a real thing?).
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Tonight in American evening news Rachel Maddow started her show talking about Alexei Navalny, and explaining this is how things work in Putin's Russia. Now she's talking about Michael Flynn, the former NSA who admitted he's been in collusion with the Russians all along. Welp. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/831689214752354308 HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Tonight in American evening news Rachel Maddow started her show talking about Alexei Navalny, and explaining this is how things work in Putin's Russia. Now she's talking about Michael Flynn, the former NSA who admitted he's been in collusion with the Russians all along.
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Grouchio posted:Hoo boy what happens now? Nothing, because the right wing got their guy in so it doesn't matter how, and the left will blame clinton for not being left enough and say Putin is just a distraction from the real reasons she lost and like how can russia interfere with an election anyways it was all racists actually, or are straight up RT readers.
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Cat Mattress posted:The referendum was not before the forces moved in, because guess who organized it? Also opponents of Russia, and especially the Tatars, boycotted that referendum so obviously if only the people who are for are voting, then the results will be near unanimous. Finally if you were to try to organize such a referendum in Russia itself, like say for Kamchatka's independence or whatever, you'd end up overdosing on Polonium in a jail cell. Don't forget "international observation of the election" counts if you bring in your own international observers from right-wing opposition parties that you have also bankrolled. Baronjutter posted:Nothing, because the right wing got their guy in so it doesn't matter how, and the left will blame clinton for not being left enough and say Putin is just a distraction from the real reasons she lost and like how can russia interfere with an election anyways it was all racists actually, or are straight up RT readers. Meanwhile, the intelligence community continues to "coup" the administration by both leaking information to the press and pursuing investigations.
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:Uh well that's very silly of you. That's like saying an anti trump protest would go down the same in the deep south as it would in portland. The referendum definitly vote was almost certainly not what was reported but it definitely had strong majority support-- there's basically no evidence to the contrary. E: spacetoaster posted:I wasn't at the actual polls that day, but everyone in my family voted for it. I know that isn't some kind of official thing, but Crimea has a lot of Russians, and the tartars that have returned to the area are a minority. Hell, my older family members were born in Crimea when it was still a part of Russia and were mad when it got handed to Ukraine. And yes, Russian finished building building 4 underwater power lines across the Kerch strait early last year. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Grouchio posted:They voted almost unanimously in favor of joinin Russia in a referendum right before forces moved in, so I don't know why this 'violated international borders and sovereignty' thing was such a big deal when a province wanted to leave the Ukraine to join Russia. I don't get it. First, the referendum was a farce. Second, the current regime discriminates against minorities such as the Tartars and people who were Ukrainian loyalists. Third, "resolving" self-determination issues with a military invasion by a hostile country that completely disregards the constitutional order of the target country and international law, never even attempting a peaceful transition, must never become acceptable.
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Baronjutter posted:Nothing, because the right wing got their guy in so it doesn't matter how, and the left will blame clinton for not being left enough and say Putin is just a distraction from the real reasons she lost and like how can russia interfere with an election anyways it was all racists actually, or are straight up RT readers. The right wing fundamentally and objectively didn't get their guys the positions they wanted, and they are going to fight to dismantle Trump's core team. Flynn has already been successfully pressured to resign.
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spacetoaster posted:Do you think the people in Crimea didn't want to be with Russia back when it happened? Grouchio posted:They voted almost unanimously in favor of joining Russia in a referendum right before forces moved in, so I don't know why this 'violated international borders and sovereignty' thing was such a big deal when a province wanted to leave the Ukraine to join Russia. I don't get it. I wish I had the source, if it still exists. It may have been in Russian so it's difficult to find for me. e: The Presidential Council for Civil Society and Human Rights, I'm pretty sure. Anyone able to find it? e2: Found it! http://old.president-sovet.ru/structure/gruppa_po_migratsionnoy_politike/materialy/problemy_zhiteley_kryma.php I believe the domain is legitimate since the Kremlin's website links to president-sovet.ru for the human rights council. All I can get from this is a Google translation, though. "Referendum: According to almost all respondents experts and citizens: - the vast majority of the inhabitants of Sevastopol voted in a referendum for annexation to Russia (50-80% turnout), in the Crimea, according to various sources for Russia's accession to 50-60% of the electorate voted for a total turnout of 30 -50 %; - Inhabitants of Crimea voted not so much for joining Russia, but for the termination, in their words, "corruption and lawlessness thieves dominance Donetsk henchmen." Residents of Sevastopol vote for joining Russia. Fears illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of the Crimea." Any Russian speakers around to interpret that and the context to see if it actually means what I think it means? Elukka fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831846101179314177 If you want to see an American intervention into Donbass, just answer "Yes". Anyone who thought Clinton was itching for WW3 didn't know Trump.
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Elukka posted:I distinctly remember reading on some Russian government site (some sort of Kremlin human rights council or some such) that roughly 60% voted in favor of joining Russia but because many abstained from the vote, only 15% of the population voted in favor. This rather contradicts the 97% or whatever numbers Russia has more publicly thrown about. quote:По мнению практически всех опрошенных специалистов и граждан: "According to almost every single one of the interviewed experts and citizens: - absolute majority of Sevastopol's inhabitants voted for joining Russia (turnout of 50-80%), in Crimea 50-60% of electors voted for joining Russia with the overall turnout of 30-50%; - inhabitants of Crimea voted for elimination of "corrupt lawlessness of Donetsk-aligned thieves-in-law", rather than to join Russia. Inhabitants of Sevastopol, however, voted specifically to join Russian. In Sevastopol the fear of illegal armed groups was greater than in other districts of Crimea."
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One more thing I've heard a handful of times in those three years are claims of genocide that was supposedly taking place in eastern Ukraine, committed by the western gay homonazijunta so that's why the "civil war" began.  And the source: Russian channels. And because it loving worked, I conclude that Russian channels can say anything and their public will buy it unconditionally.
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jonnypeh posted:One more thing I've heard a handful of times in those three years are claims of genocide that was supposedly taking place in eastern Ukraine, committed by the western gay homonazijunta so that's why the "civil war" began. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Those snipers in Kiev probably set the background for it though.
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jonnypeh posted:Those snipers in Kiev probably set the background for it though.
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steinrokkan posted:First, the referendum was a farce. As I recall, the referendum took place quite a while after occupation, with the stage set like this:  (ON May 16th we make a choice: homonazis/russia) The surveys done before the whole mess showed that not even a majority wanted to switch, let alone unilaterally. I can't really blame anyone vote for under the circumstances, it was just never a legitimate referendum.
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mobby_6kl posted:As I recall, the referendum took place quite a while after occupation, with the stage set like this:
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Young Freud posted:If you want to see an American intervention into Donbass, just answer "Yes". Trump doesn't seem to know whether he wants to blow Putin or shoot Putin, which is terrifying.
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chitoryu12 posted:Trump doesn't seem to know whether he wants to blow Putin or shoot Putin, which is terrifying.
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steinrokkan posted:Trump, why u gotta be so tsundere Gosh the Japanese really do have a word for everything don't they
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I'm glad your ancient relatives are conservative pieces of poo poo and oppressing minorities because they are such is cool. lol cinci zoo sniper posted:
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Some good news, despite all the propaganda, most of EE countries still see NATO as a protection and not as a threat... http://www.gallup.com/poll/203819/nato-members-eastern-europe-protection.aspx http://www.rferl.org/a/nato-in-eastern-europe/28309316.html Bad news, Ukrainians are sour on NATO. 
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Can't wait for Trump and Kadyrov duke it out over the top dog of Instagram position.
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The anniversary of Estonia's independence is approaching, and predictably the same old bunch comes out of the woodwork. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tPk0ydEOW8 Oh, my! A party promising glorious awakening and ascendancy of the nation. That does not sound familiar at all. And they even straightened out the swastika. As an added bonus, the nazi hunter Efraim Zuroff and his Russian media cohorts will be present as usual, ready to tell the world about this. It was ironic that one neckbeard who is a member of that party was fired from his job as a teacher and now claims discrimination because of his views. Not only did he preach against LGBT rights and all the usual stuff one would expect in his classes, the students wrote that he was universally considered a creep. In his opinion piece in a newspaper he claimed to be married and father of two. Which was actually a lie.
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So Igor Strelkov is explaining that the assassination campaign of Novorossian warlords is not due to Ukraine's loyalist forces (except for Motorola). I mean it's obvious to everyone and it should be especially obvious to someone who, like him, had to leave his prosperous warlording campaign thanks to Russian pressure; but he's out there stating it plainly. source: Le Monde (in French, paywalled)
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Well, well, well. https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/832946413285806080 Surkov sure keeps a "fine" company, complete with the kolovorot armband.
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What's up in Belarus this weekend? According to Twitter, there's some meetings and gatherings in the larger cities and from a quick skim of the tweets I've seen, it seems like peaceful anti-government protests. Not huge, but still interesting.
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The economy in Belarus is tanking, and Lukashenko some time ago signed a decree that "parasites" or unemployed people would have a to pay a fine for being unemployed. The demonstrations are mostly based on this decree. Charter 97 is an anti-Lukashenko blog that has pictures and video. https://charter97.org/be/news/2017/2/19/241377/ https://twitter.com/RFERL/status/829767047198408704 Coverage by Nasha Niva: http://nn.by/ Here's an English language source. http://belsat.eu/en/ State-friendly media sources don't mention this of course. http://www.belta.by/ Here is a photographer's Livejournal blog who took pictures of the protest in Minsk. http://bortnikau.livejournal.com/124473.html#cutid1 HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Feb 19, 2017 |
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Those "parasites" are clearly the Russian minority being discriminated against by the evil... ugh Belorussians? Anyway, dear father Putin will send 
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Young Freud posted:poo poo's going to blow up in Belarus, isn't it? No.
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