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hopeandjoy posted:Thanks for this actually. I wasn't sure if I wanted to pick up this game for full price, so this is a really nice discount. My local Best Buy has a copy in stock still too, so I don't have to pay for shipping. Bonus.
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Commander Keene posted:Word of warning: the loading times are supposedly far worse on physical copies than on digital, although the article I saw on it was comparing Japanese versions, so I don't know if the problem was fixed for the NA launch although I highly doubt it. I bought digital because of that. I had physical and I don't remember the loading screens being that bad. Though if I left the game running for multiple hours, the loading screens would slowly start taking longer, so I guess there's that.
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I also don't have a hard drive to spare for my Wii U and the game is supposedly internal hard drive filling so I don't really have a choice whether or not to go physical. At the very least if it's unbearable, it will be a good nest egg when this almost invariably becomes a cult classic that goes for at least $100 like FE9 does. 
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Okay, looking up the article I originally found, none of the loading times seem super bad, even on disc. But they are noticeably better on digital.
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Considering that the game was first announced as SMT x Fire Emblem, I'm surprised they took more out of the Persona handbook than the mainline games. I was one of those people who was a bit hard on the game for not being a strict take on SMT or Fire Emblem, but I actually am digging this game a lot now that I can take a closer look. It's almost like Persona 4.5 in a way.
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  Fortuna Entertainment Music: Fortuna Office  Huh, nice place they've got...  ...here... Well then.    Well, yeah. It is an office. Ever heard of Fortuna Entertainment? Oh, I know! That's the production company that Kiria belongs to! Should've figured you'd know it, Tsubasa. But yeah, this is the Fortuna Entertainment office. Wh-Whaaat!? Really!? Wh-Why was I brought to a place like this!? Just a regular production company on the surface... but secretly a team of Mirage specialists and investigators. That's Fortuna Entertainment. Oh, and I haven't told you guys yet, but this is the production company I've been working with. Why didn't you tell us about it!? Yeah. You don't have to worry about telling us where you work. That's what you're angry about!? Tsubasa, I kept my mouth shut because I knew this is how you'd react... Never mind all that, Touma! So... wh-wh-where's Kiria!? Oh, she's not here. Why not!? G-Geez, Tsubasa, chill out. Not only does she have a ton of work, she's gotta get ready for that live performance too. She's got her schedule worked out down to the minute - even I haven't seen her in a while. Tsubasa...? You okay? What are you doing? Right now... I'm breathing air that Kiria was breathing... Oh, I can die happy...! *Sigh* ...Oh, right. There was someone I wanted you two to meet. Who's that? C'mon, Tsubasa. Back to reality. W-Wait! I'm not done enjoying the atmosphere yet!Before we follow Touma into the Velvet Room, let's take a second to poke around the office.  Both the TVs and the posters on the wall have ads or updates for what some of the other major characters are up to. They'll update as we go through the game, so after Kiria's concert those posters will change to whatever the next big show is.  Vending machines are scattered all around the overworld, and for a couple hundred yen, will heal your entire party to full. The actual contents are randomized (I think there's like 8 or 9 drinks total?), and if you pick a drink that a party member likes, it'll actually raise their Luck stat for your next dungeon dive.  Next to Maiko's desk, we have the trophy wall. As you get certain achievements, you'll get trophies that pop up here. Mechanically useless, but it's there.  Anyway, that's enough poking around for now. Let's see what's behind Door #1. The Bloom Garden Music: Bloom Palace  This seems...impractical to keep in an office building.  How is a place like this... in an office building? Mind blown, right? This place is for Mirage Masters and those with strong Performa - those chosen by fate! This place... There's something about it that feels oddly nostalgic. Yes, for me as well. I wonder why that is. She's been with you since we left the Idolasphere. You just couldn't see her, that's all. This place is called the Bloom Palace, and as long as they're here, they can go back to these physical forms. Heeey! Tiki! Huh...? Why do I feel as though I've met her before? I can't believe it... I can't believe you're making this little girl call you big broth- Wait a minute... I think I've seen her somewhere before. Oh my gosh! It's Tiki! The Uta-loid! The virtual singer, Tiki!  There's the reaction I was waiting for! And don't accuse me of the creepy stuff. ...You noticed that first? Look, let me introduce you. The Uta-loid you two know is a cover. Tiki's true identity... is a Mirage.quote:
 ...Big brother? Wait, me too? Mhm! If I'm not supposed to call Touma that, can you be my big brother instead? I don't mind. Yay! Thank you, big brother. You might be overdoing it a little. Oh - thanks for telling me that Tsubasa was in danger back there. I didn't do anything worth thanks... That's all I could really do. I wish I could've gone to help... but all I can do is stay here and pray that everyone comes back safely... What do you mean by that? I'm a little different from the others... I'm bound to this place. ...They both said they have no idea why they're here. It sounded like they couldn't remember much... I knew it... Wait a minute... Tiki, are you missing your memories too? Mhm... I don't know why, but all Mirages have lost their memories of the past. That... must be scary for you... ...Yeah... ... ...Thanks for worrying about me, big brother, but I'm okay. We found Chrom and Caeda... And you and Tsubasa seem like nice people... so I'm really happy! Aww, Tiki... You're such a sweet girl! I'll be sure to come visit you every day! Thanks, Tsubasa. Unity? You know you have Performa, right? Well... Performa is like the power of the human soul to express itself. We fuse Performa with people and Mirages to awaken new power within them. That ritual is called Unity. Awaken new power? Hmm... Well, I guess you could just say it makes you stronger. I can't really fight like the other Mirages can... But I can perform Unity rituals for you here!  Wait, so where were we? Right, Unity.  The first service Tiki offers is Carnage Unity. This is how you unlock new weapons.  New weapons are stronger (usually), give you different resistances, and come with their own set of skills to unlock. There's no direct cost for making a new weapon, as long as you have the required materials for it.  And after a short fusion cutscene, we get our new toy.  We also unlock our first super move. I'm honestly not sure if that's tied to specific weapons or simply doing a certain number of unities, but either way we'll be unlocking more of them as the game goes on.  Unfortunately, neither Touma or Tsubasa have anything we can make right now. You can check to see where a specific drop comes from, and the fact that it says "Area: ???" means that we haven't unlocked that particular dungeon.  Anyway, before we head back to the real world, we can chat with the other mirages, so let's do that. Chrom A strange place indeed... If we can manifest here, this sanctuary must function similarly to the Idolasphere. Yeah. Taking form in your world consumes quite a bit of energy... We'll stay here in the meantime, barring emergencies. By the way, Itsuki... you'll be fighting alongside Touma from now on, right? Yeah. To be honest, though, I have almost no idea what I should be doing... In truth, I could say the same. My memories are still all a haze... I know I'm a Mirage, but... I can't even say for sure what a Mirage is, let alone who I am. Or what I'm supposed to do now... Chrom... But if I stand by you... something tells me I'll find the answer. So... I hope you can put up with me remaining at your side for just a bit longer. Of course it's all right. Besides, I wouldn't have a chance against the Mirages without you. Here's to a long and prosperous relationship, Chrom. Thank you, Itsuki. It'll be a privilege to fight at your side. You can usually find us here when things are quiet, but if you ever need us, we'll appear to help you.Caeda Oh, Itsuki. Hello. Hello. So you can materialize when you're in this room as well, then, huh? Yes, it would seem that way. Itsuki, I would appreciate it if you would look after Tsubasa. Sometimes, I believe she can be a bit... you know. Oblivious, perhaps. Haha... Well, you're not wrong. And besides, it looked as though Tsubasa trusts you quite a lot. I'm sure she will need your support. Well, she's been my friend since we were kids. I'll do what I can. *giggle* Thank you.Cain  Sir Itsuki! Touma seems pleased indeed at the prospect of fighting as your comrade-in-arms. I will be counting on you to help Touma. He can be a bit senseless at times, but he has a good heart. Sure. By the way... Cain, are your memories gone as well? Yes. I have lost all memories of my time before meeting Touma... And as of now, their return seems unlikely. I see... But I confess, I have gotten quite used to my life alongside Touma and the others. However, that doesn't mean that I have lost my desire to find out who I really am. Cain... If you need anything, I'll always be happy to help. Thank you, Sir Itsuki.That's gonna do it for the Bloom Palace for now. There are at least two more very important functions here, but we'll cross that bridge once we get there. For now, let's head back to the office.  Looks like Ms. Maiko's back. She said there's something she wants to talk to us about, so we'd better head back to the office. You're... going already? Sorry. I promise I'll come visit again. Me too! I'll definitely be back soon. Okay! I'll be waiting! Bye-bye! And sure enough, there she is. Lessons  Ms. Maiko! You're so mean... Why didn't you tell me about the production company before? Oh, relax. I didn't want to overload you guys. Too much information at once can be a bad thing. Anyway, I just booked a lesson for you, Tsubasa. A lesson...? That's right. Dancing and voice training. I've decided we're going to debut you as an idol. I think we're gonna go with the pure and innocent image for you. Wha... Whaaat!? B-But this is all so sudden! I... I-I... Better get used to it, Tsubasa. This is exactly how Ms. Maiko likes to run this place. What about the Mirage attacks? Unfortunately, we have no idea when the next attack might be. So in the meantime, let's start your training! Trust me, you'll make a great idol, Tsubasa. My radar is never wrong about someone's star potential. Uh... You know... if you work as an idol for Fortuna, it'd probably be a lot easier for you to meet with Kiria. That was quick... Sure was...Have we mentioned that Tsubasa really likes Kiria yet? Maybe we'd better say it a few more times. Something something repetition, hammering a point...  Huh, me? Yes, you. Training as a performer will help your abilities as a Mirage Master as well, so it's worth your time. What... exactly does that mean? Your power as a Mirage Master is dependent on your abilities as a performer. What do you mean "as a performer"...? Some of the earliest records of the performing arts come from dance as a part of religious rituals. The idea was to call the power of the gods into the performer - an invocation of spirits, if you like. Call upon the power of spirits... Kind of like a Mirage Master's power? There's a dance in Noh theater called Kamioroshi, where the performer calls upon a god. It's a little like that. Musical ability, acting, artistry... Honing these skills also increases your power of spiritual invocation. Basically, if you're good performers, you'll be strong Masters. In any case, I've already booked you two for training. Life is about overcoming challenges, you know! Good luck on your first lesson! Ummm... Itsuki, Tsubasa... it's been nice knowing you. I'll make sure to say something real nice at your funerals. Huh? Wh-Why exactly are you talking like you're sending us to our deaths...? You'll see when you get to the studio in Shibuya tomorrow. I've ordered the full course, so have fu-un~
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Artix posted:
You can actually try to tell Tiki that you don't want to be called big bro, but obviously it's a "but thou must!"-situation.
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Carlioo posted:You can actually try to tell Tiki that you don't want to be called big bro, but obviously it's a "but thou must!"-situation. I know, I tried. That said, I played until after the second dungeon's boss yesterday, and the game is a ton of fun. I wasn't expecting to like it as much as I did, that's for sure.
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Feb 16, 2017 20:12
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So Tiki is probably the main reason why it's only the Marth and Chrom era characters story-wise, since she wouldn't know about the Gaiden or Judal events. Or something. It made sense in my head.
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Feb 16, 2017 20:34
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Can't wait for the best character to show up next update.
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Feb 16, 2017 22:12
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Ah, no matter what we do in jrpgs, the training of doom is always around to help us become number 1.
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Feb 16, 2017 22:28
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I love how when it comes to becoming a Mirage Master, Itsuki has no problems at all but being told to start basic music training is when he starts to think twice about things.
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Feb 16, 2017 22:41
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Funky Valentine posted:Hi-Fiber Vortex sounds terrifying. I do like the little touches for Fortuna Entertainment. The main company logo has the Wheel of Fortune, giving a nod to the Persona arcana. And the door to the Bloom Palace does indeed have the Fire Emblem shield on it.
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Carlioo posted:You can actually try to tell Tiki that you don't want to be called big bro, but obviously it's a "but thou must!"-situation. But how can you say no to that face?! I mean obvious reasons, but still.
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Feb 16, 2017 23:21
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Shame on you if you wouldn't want Tiki for a little sister. 
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Feb 16, 2017 23:22
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Hi-Fiber VORTEX!!! Scour your colon with Insoluble Freshness!
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Level Seven posted:I love how when it comes to becoming a Mirage Master, Itsuki has no problems at all but being told to start basic music training is when he starts to think twice about things. To be fair, he doesn't really give a poo poo about the industry at large (hell, he can't even be bothered to remember who Tsubasa's favorite singer is), so being told "Oh yeah, by the way we're putting you on stage too, you're cool with that right?" would be a bit of a surprise. Carlioo posted:You can actually try to tell Tiki that you don't want to be called big bro, but obviously it's a "but thou must!"-situation. I mean, you could, that's technically true. But... ChaosArgate posted:Shame on you if you wouldn't want Tiki for a little sister. Also if it wasn't obvious I'm not actually showing the dialogue options because 99% of the time they don't matter. If you're really interested in seeing what sort of ~wacky~ responses Itsuki can make, you can watch the videos.
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I'm pretty sure Hi-Fiber Vortex is the best drink because it boosts everyone's luck. Also, first Carnage Unity for each person unlocks their first special, yeah. ChaosArgate posted:Shame on you if you wouldn't want Tiki for a little sister. I was all prepared to dislike/be skeeved out by Tiki after her first time shouting "ONI-CHAAAAAN!!!" at me but dammit she is just too adorable.
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Is Tiki going to say "Welcome home, Big Bro!" every time we come back to base and then have a depressing character arc?
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Minor translation note: while it sounds  as gently caress to english speakers, all the usages of "carnage" come from "reincarnation" (which is also the name of the game's/Kiria's theme song). A similar thing happened in the Japanese translation of an Ace Attorney game, where a character meant to be "Carnation Red" was rendered as "Carnage Onred".
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I think my favorite part of the whole affair is Itsuki's reaction to the various beverages. There's a rotating selection here, and at a couple other. Vending machines around town, and he has a food review on every single one. No matter how bizarre the drink, Itsuki has something complimentary to say about it. It's the tiniest thing, but it adds a fair amount of personality to Our Hero, Blandman, and is emblematic of the effort put into the game.
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Tiki is a good girl. Tries hard, great blacksmith, a credit to the team.
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Oberndorf posted:I think my favorite part of the whole affair is Itsuki's reaction to the various beverages. There's a rotating selection here, and at a couple other. Vending machines around town, and he has a food review on every single one. No matter how bizarre the drink, Itsuki has something complimentary to say about it. Funky Valentine posted:Is Tiki going to say "Welcome home, Big Bro!" every time we come back to base and then have a depressing character arc?
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Would now be an acceptable time to post the lyrics to Beastie Game?
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I feel like that maaaaaaay be jumping the gun a tiny bit.
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Oberndorf posted:I think my favorite part of the whole affair is Itsuki's reaction to the various beverages. There's a rotating selection here, and at a couple other. Vending machines around town, and he has a food review on every single one. No matter how bizarre the drink, Itsuki has something complimentary to say about it. I'd always parsed that as similar to the involved description every alcohol gets in the Yakuza games, just being about really getting the player into the mind of consuming the thing, but I like this interpretation better. KingEffingFrost posted:Tiki is a good girl. Tries hard, great blacksmith, a credit to the team. Plus her Back-Up Skills are the most useful. Tiki is all around pretty great.
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Commander Keene posted:Yeah, she's pretty much a hybrid between Rise and Margaret in function, and Nanako in personality.
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Oberndorf posted:I think my favorite part of the whole affair is Itsuki's reaction to the various beverages. There's a rotating selection here, and at a couple other. Vending machines around town, and he has a food review on every single one. No matter how bizarre the drink, Itsuki has something complimentary to say about it.
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By the way, I guess I should point something out: Itsuki's last name, Aoi, is the Japanese word for azure, a shade of blue. Most Lords in the series have blue hair. Tsubasa means "wing" in Japanese. A character in Touma's name means "horse", while his surname, Akagi, means "Red castle".
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Look, buddy, I'm gonna put this as nicely as I can without going thermonuclear so bear with me. Okay? Stop. Trying. To backseat LP. I promise you, I've got this. I don't need you to link me to guides with skill lists, and I definitely don't need you to link to song lyrics of any kind, especially songs that have yet to even play. There is a time and a place where these things will be appropriate, and when I am ready for them, I will post them myself. So please, by all means sit back and enjoy the LP, but leave it to me. I will not be so nice next time, do not test my patience.
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Artix posted:Look, buddy, I'm gonna put this as nicely as I can without going thermonuclear so bear with me. Okay? I am incredibly sorry, I was just trying to be nice and helpful. I will refrain from doing so in the future unless you ask.
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Edvarius posted:Unfortunately Itsuki's food blurbs are about all we get for him, which is the problem I have with him. In most situations I'm perfectly fine with having a straight man for the crazies to bounce off of. It's an important role, and can be amusing in it's own right if done correctly. Unfortunately, as Maiko mentioned one's ability as a Mirage Master is supposed to be connected to their abilities as a performer, and the reason for this is one I actually really like. But Itsuki isn't a performer. He isn't some passionate dreamer like Tsubasa or Touma, or a star on the rise like Kiria. He has no interest in it. In just about any other game he'd have worked out fine, but not this one, with this premise. If ANY game called for a Shatner-like ham of a lead, it was this one. The generic nice every-man just does not work as the hero when power is drawn from being a super star. Kiria's costume might clash with itself, but that's better than having a character that clashes with the very premise of the game itself. Our main character really doesn't have that idol vibe. At all.
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Oh man, this game. I wasn't really interested in it when it was first announced, but then after watching a bunch of YouTube videos of cutscenes and battles after it came out as well as a Giant Bomb Quick Look, it really hit my Persona sweet spot while I was waiting for more P5 news. Shame about it not selling well (and the whole "censorship" controversy that it dragged up likely not helping matters) but glad to see quite a bunch of people here liked it. Would've loved to pick up this myself, but no Wii U. Loved all of the character designs we've seen so far, looking forward to the next couple of party members as well. Tiki is great too, her sidestories are amazing, can't wait til you get to those. Such a good character coming next update too, can't wait for that.
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Junpei, you do this in literally every thread I've seen you in: WKTD, Setsuna, Root Double, now this. Pretty sure TheDarkId said what we all thought by calling you a creepy rear end in a top hat when you were trying to get him to pay attention to your bizarre posts. Lay off, for gently caress's sake. Artix, you do good word. Highly tempted to check out your LP of Lightning Returns, a game I spent most of last summer playing to about 95% completion before I realized that it was a bad game and never finished.
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Itsuki being a more laidback kind of guy is fine, but him really not showing any interest in idol stuff is a big drag on the game. Heck, here's a five second elevator pitch: He likes history and started working at the agency because he wanted to get cast in historical dramas. Bam, done, and it even sort of ties him to FE's medieval fantasy setting.
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Waiiit If tiki is nanako Then Bantu- BANTU NO PUT THE BOOZE DOWN
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Waiiit
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Mundetiam posted:Artix, you do good word. Highly tempted to check out your LP of Lightning Returns, a game I spent most of last summer playing to about 95% completion before I realized that it was a bad game and never finished. Let me tempt you some more. You should absolutely watch through the whole thing, if only because hearing poor Fedule's suffering through the play through while Artix is having fun is hella funny. As for smt, despite it having less fire emblem mechanics than I'd like, I am pleasantly surprised to be enjoying myself so far. But then I've enjoyed all of the lp's of Artix's I've followed so far, so kudos to you.
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Magic Pants posted:Let me tempt you some more. You should absolutely watch through the whole thing, if only because hearing poor Fedule's suffering through the play through while Artix is having fun is hella funny. That's XIII-2. Lightning Returns is the one where Fedule constantly, desperately tries to convince us, the audience, that they are playing a really good game while Artix, the actual person playing it, disagrees.
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