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Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

it could be dramatically worse. I did all of my breadboards in school as ratsnests, using one length of wire nearly exclusively

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Hunter2 Thompson
Feb 3, 2005

Ramrod XTreme
http://a.co/aMcRTWv

I "discovered" jumper wire kits in college after cutting my own for years and would never, ever go back to anything else.

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=

meatpotato posted:

http://a.co/aMcRTWv

I "discovered" jumper wire kits in college after cutting my own for years and would never, ever go back to anything else.

i'm using pretty much that yeah. does mean that my +3.3 and ground don't have red and black though!

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
I credit these vids which are just insanely good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_1HyxBzjl0&hd=1

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

the real problem is sensors with wires already attached and having wire to bare pads and the like

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=

hobbesmaster posted:

the real problem is sensors with wires already attached and having wire to bare pads and the like

i accidentally bought this:

It's roughly 1cm a side.

after looking for a socket that'll fit it, in the end i just bought a second that comes attached to a pcb. for £90. my only justification is eventually i'll need three if i follow through with this project

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

gonadic io posted:

i accidentally bought this:

It's roughly 1cm a side.

after looking for a socket that'll fit it, in the end i just bought a second that comes attached to a pcb. for £90. my only justification is eventually i'll need three if i follow through with this project

just dead bug it

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
inertial MEMS sensors are designed to go into cellphones, there is no market for any chip package other than "as small as possible"

dev and eval kits do tend to be pretty expensive (and they're still sold at a loss considering the amount of NRE that goes into them) but the chips themselves are manufactured in huge volumes so they shouldnt cost more than like $10 off digikey for the really fancy ones

my research masters project was a cool distributed wireless motion capture algorithm built for a radio network of these things worn on the body. it was quite the baptism of fire for learning embedded development.

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
also the sensitivity of those things is incredible. when i finished doing hw bring-up on the PCB that had been designed for me to implement the project on, I pumped the raw data stream over the on-board radio, wrote an OpenGL attitude visualization, cased up the battery powered PCB (it was slightly smaller than a matchbox) and dropped it onto my desk from 1ft in the air

The cased-up PCB hit the desk and wobbled to a rest and the wobbles were precisely rendered in real time on the screen. It was amazing to see. MEMS gyroscope precision is out of this world.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

they're incredibly noisy unless you got some crazy expensive aviation ones though

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






gonadic io posted:

i accidentally bought this:

It's roughly 1cm a side.

after looking for a socket that'll fit it, in the end i just bought a second that comes attached to a pcb. for £90. my only justification is eventually i'll need three if i follow through with this project

At least you can still solder those with an iron.

Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

spankmeister posted:

At least you can still solder those with an iron.
yeah if you're this guy

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008

Spatial posted:

yeah if you're this guy



hey man, better than accidentally buying a bga

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

QFNs suck to hand-solder but they could be worse

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
I actually did this, although in an unorthodox way while assembling those pcbs

didn't use solder paste, instead i used a needle to put solder balls next to each pad then blasted the whole thing with a heat gun

yeah idkwtf i was just told to do it that way.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

PSA: if a data sheet has "DRAFT" as the background for every page and SUBJECT TO CHANGE as the footer do not do a board layout based on the pinouts

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



hobbesmaster posted:

PSA: if a data sheet has "DRAFT" as the background for every page and SUBJECT TO CHANGE as the footer do not do a board layout based on the pinouts

that seems like pretty solid advice

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.




crazy bastard posted:

My project involves interfacing an AMD Radeon HD 2400 graphics card with a STM32 Discovery evaluation board. Using AMD's publicly available documentation together with MMIO traces of the proprietary Catalyst driver I have managed to upload and execute code on the GPU's internal hardware video decoder which features a Tensilica Xtensa 32-bit CPU.

I have written a demo application running on the Xtensa CPU which uses the hardware 3D engine to draw a Z-buffered, gouraud shaded spinning cube on the screen. AMD's Hierarchical-Z feature is enabled to improve performance. The 3D engine is configured using code taken from AMD's open-source Linux driver.

the dream of the single-board computer has finally come true

running an RTOS on the video codec to control the gpu

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

my goodness

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
holy poo poo, bad rear end

DJ Commie
Feb 29, 2004

Stupid drivers always breaking car, Gronk fix car...
is that card powered by backfeeding the unused fan header?

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

DJ Commie posted:

is that card powered by backfeeding the unused fan header?

I thought it was the debug connector going to the breadboard but I think you may be right :stare:

DJ Commie
Feb 29, 2004

Stupid drivers always breaking car, Gronk fix car...

hobbesmaster posted:

I thought it was the debug connector going to the breadboard but I think you may be right :stare:

i see some other breaking out from there, i assume they sneaking power elsewhere to power things

not to diminish how crazy of an idea it was

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

DJ Commie posted:

i see some other breaking out from there, i assume they sneaking power elsewhere to power things

not to diminish how crazy of an idea it was

In one of the Flickr sets he confirms that yes, it is powered via fan header.

Phobeste
Apr 9, 2006

never, like, count out Touchdown Tom, man
Jesus Christ

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
i had a productive lunch today :toot: i guess im officially now a terrible bit janitor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8MtqhWVQ2E&hd=1

this is in C in the arduino IDE, time for another attempt at replicating rust next i think

Colonel Taint
Mar 14, 2004


Pro tips from an actual IC designer:

If you don't have many registers, you can make I2C registers hold 9 bits! Just use the least significant of the register address as the 9th bit of the data, and let people multiply the listed address by 2. It's totally intuitive and people will love you for it!

Don't waste time with pesky logic that lets you write back onto the I2C bus. Users only want to set registers and won't ever want to read them back. Think of all the silicon you'll save!

:suicide101:

Jimmy Carter
Nov 3, 2005

THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE
so I wanna figure out how to strap an ESP8266 onto the back of a cheap 3" solar panel - any recommendations for dirt-cheap solutions for boost converter circuitry/ICs? Linear technology's got a very nice module but it's $6 apiece and my goal is to be as comedy-cheap as possible on these things as possible

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Buy a board off aliexpress. :haw:

movax
Aug 30, 2008

hobbesmaster posted:

PSA: if a data sheet has "DRAFT" as the background for every page and SUBJECT TO CHANGE as the footer do not do a board layout based on the pinouts
:staredog:

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
ah so that's what they're reserved for

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

hobbesmaster posted:

they're incredibly noisy unless you got some crazy expensive aviation ones though

gyros are fine (but subject to bias), it's the accelerometers that are noisy

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=

fritz posted:

gyros are fine (but subject to bias), it's the accelerometers that are noisy



gently caress 2mm pitch pins.

Also what are we counting as "crazy expensive aviation" ones? These are £90 each,and I am eventually planning on using them in aviation.

gonadic io fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Feb 15, 2017

Stabby McDamage
Dec 11, 2005

Doctor Rope

Jimmy Carter posted:

so I wanna figure out how to strap an ESP8266 onto the back of a cheap 3" solar panel - any recommendations for dirt-cheap solutions for boost converter circuitry/ICs? Linear technology's got a very nice module but it's $6 apiece and my goal is to be as comedy-cheap as possible on these things as possible

It might be cheaper to hook smaller panels in series than to find a boost module that can go from 0.5 V to 3V.

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
please do not crash your plane, forums poster gonadic io

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=

Silver Alicorn posted:

please do not crash your plane, forums poster gonadic io

plane? :q:

https://github.com/djmcgill/to-the-moon

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...

gonadic io posted:

Also what are we counting as "crazy expensive aviation" ones? These are £90 each,and I am eventually planning on using them in aviation.
how'd you even find that $70 gyro?

like i would've started with a MPU6050 and upgraded after bench tests showed it to be too noisy


e: the first MPU6050 i bought was in huaquiangbei, i wrote "9 DOF IMU" and showed it to the nice lady in one of the SEG booths, she shook her head and wrote 6 and spent a while trying to translate DoF, i paid like $0.50

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...
side note, drone teardown are disappointing

like i'm expecting part #'s and most are happy to pull a ESC and correctly identify it

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=

JawnV6 posted:

how'd you even find that $70 gyro?

it's the latest model of the one used by this guy:

https://www.aeroconsystems.com/tips/Active_Stabilized_rocket_Wyatt.pdf

i got the same solenoid valves too.

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JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...
idk, one of the trends since 2007 is that any component common to cell phones (gyros included) has plummeted in price. you might be able to find a good-enough part for much cheaper now

one of the parts of embedded I find really fun is starting from physical problems and dimensional analyzing all the way to bits

like let's say i'm working with a boiler. i have a thermistor (temp-sensitive resistor) inside it and the FW needs to know the temperature to within 0.5 degrees C. there's a chain from "0.5 deg C -> thermistor resistance delta -> voltage delta -> ADC input -> bits" and if the lowest bit tells me less than the degrees I need, the FW can't possibly meet the product spec. i was in a schematic review where the EE showed his plan to lop off half the usable voltage delta, i had to argue for a re-design

im not sure how to set your problem up, but i'd imagine it's measuring degrees off the vertical. "if i'm over 2 degrees the wrong way, fire the solenoid" is the problem statement? forget about time for now, how precise do you need the degree measurement to be?

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