Beet Wagon posted:

I'm sure I'm going to regret this, but I'm going to try and give what appears to be a genuine question a genuine answer.

The whole Star Citizen thing has sort of evolved into "inter-forums war" in the eyes of some of the people who are genuinely invested in either the support of or the downfall of the game. Generally that's weighted a little heavier on the side of the people supporting the game - and trying to bring down the SomethingAwful menace, as they put it - but I will admit that some of our users here are still overzealous in their mockery, something I work very hard to try and curb when I see it. In any case, the parties involved in this are made up of a lot of reddit and 4chan users, many of whom view doxxing as the ultimate form of internet warfare, for whatever insane reason. The user whose probation/ban brought you back here this afternoon had shared a screenshot of some 4channers attempting to doxx Derek Smart in order to (somehow) prove that Derek=bad means Star Citizen=good. I believe that poster's intent was less to share the information and more to prove that 4channers are idiots, but nevertheless it directly violates the rules and I am not willing to offer leeway based on "intent" when it comes to this.

Since becoming a mod here that's actually only the second time I've had to deal with doxxing in the thread. I agree that's two times too many, and I'm aware of issues from before my time as a mod obviously. The first was a user posting the personal details of someone who I will say is "allegedly" a lying, scamming pick up artist who sexually abuses women - something which everyone here should be very clear does not make doxxing that person okay. These examples aren't meant to convince you that "our" doxxing is somehow okay or acceptable, but to highlight that we're not just doxxing people 24/7 in this thread and the mod-team is more than willing to punish those who do it. In any case I think the answer to your question is that for many of the posters on both sides of this thing, the argument has become very personal. It's something - again - that we are trying to curb on our end of things, but as someone who has received death threats and credible threats of doxxing from redditors who are mad at me for getting a refund on a video game, there is some small part of me that understands when one of our posters decides to retaliate. Again, that doesn't make it okay and I will happily be "overbearing" or "heavy handed" when it comes to doxxing concerns, due to the nature and history of the subforum. In short, I guess the answer is that some people are taking this whole thing far too seriously.

Beet Wagon posted:

reddit and 4chan users, many of whom view doxxing as the ultimate form of internet warfare, for whatever insane reason

Regrettable posted:

Hmm, yes, that account that just started posting here 3 days ago and has made 7 total posts in this thread sure is indicative of the people who post here and not at all a parachute.

ArfJason posted:

I'll say that it's a shame that a question that is genuine is met with cautious skepticism and seen as facetious. As for the actual point, I think the problem here is that spending a whole hell of a lot of time reading posts on reddit, star citizen forums and poo poo to find contradictions or make fun of idiots who got scammed is the kind of thing that attracts people who take stuff like Star Citizen too seriously. Like that whole procedure is already taking it too seriously. Like I get the appeal of mocking weirdoes, but there's something liket taking it too far. In any case, I'm glad you didn't childishly dismiss this like half the thread did, and actually bothered to explain your thoughts, even if we disagree.

Beet Wagon posted:

The whole Star Citizen thing has sort of evolved into "inter-forums war" in the eyes of some of the people who are genuinely invested in either the support of or the downfall of the game.

Klyith posted:

I never thought I'd say it but arfjason has a point. I don't agree with his definition of doxxing and I don't think that it's morally wrong to post a lot of the stuff that gets posted in this thread. But I do think it's bad content. Bad content should be discouraged, and people who endlessly spam bad content should get told to stop. Arf got repeat probations when he spammed the thread about doxxing. The guy that's spammed the thread with 15 pages of bad reddit screencaps should get the same. The guy who admitted to spamming shitizens on reddit should too.

Zzr posted:

So I thought that the best choice for Ben is a japanese toilet that can clean his rear end after he's done. The problem is that he can't clean it in the shower cause he can't reach it with his t-rex arms and the filth accumulate day after day.

Beet Wagon posted:

I'm sure I'm going to regret this, but I'm going to try and give what appears to be a genuine question a genuine answer.

The whole Star Citizen thing has sort of evolved into "inter-forums war" in the eyes of some of the people who are genuinely invested in either the support of or the downfall of the game. Generally that's weighted a little heavier on the side of the people supporting the game - and trying to bring down the SomethingAwful menace, as they put it - but I will admit that some of our users here are still overzealous in their mockery, something I work very hard to try and curb when I see it. In any case, the parties involved in this are made up of a lot of reddit and 4chan users, many of whom view doxxing as the ultimate form of internet warfare, for whatever insane reason. The user whose probation/ban brought you back here this afternoon had shared a screenshot of some 4channers attempting to doxx Derek Smart in order to (somehow) prove that Derek=bad means Star Citizen=good. I believe that poster's intent was less to share the information and more to prove that 4channers are idiots, but nevertheless it directly violates the rules and I am not willing to offer leeway based on "intent" when it comes to this.

Since becoming a mod here that's actually only the second time I've had to deal with doxxing in the thread. I agree that's two times too many, and I'm aware of issues from before my time as a mod obviously. The first was a user posting the personal details of someone who I will say is "allegedly" a lying, scamming pick up artist who sexually abuses women - something which everyone here should be very clear does not make doxxing that person okay. These examples aren't meant to convince you that "our" doxxing is somehow okay or acceptable, but to highlight that we're not just doxxing people 24/7 in this thread and the mod-team is more than willing to punish those who do it. In any case I think the answer to your question is that for many of the posters on both sides of this thing, the argument has become very personal. It's something - again - that we are trying to curb on our end of things, but as someone who has received death threats and credible threats of doxxing from redditors who are mad at me for getting a refund on a video game, there is some small part of me that understands when one of our posters decides to retaliate. Again, that doesn't make it okay and I will happily be "overbearing" or "heavy handed" when it comes to doxxing concerns, due to the nature and history of the subforum. In short, I guess the answer is that some people are taking this whole thing far too seriously.

Zzr posted:

So I thought that the best choice for Ben is a japanese toilet that can clean his rear end after he's done. The problem is that he can't clean it in the shower cause he can't reach it with his t-rex arms and the filth accumulate day after day.

Klyith posted:

The people in other communities need their own internal sanity checks to get de-cultified. Unfortunately CIG will disappear critical threads, and reddit has the downvotes = invisibility mechanic. So they won't really get it. Sad, but not something we can really help with.


edit gently caress thats a lot of

Klyith posted:

Bad content should be discouraged, and people who endlessly spam bad content should get told to stop. Arf got repeat probations when he spammed the thread about doxxing. The guy that's spammed the thread with 15 pages of bad reddit screencaps should get the same.

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The others, who are over-invested in the game and think SA is trying to bring it down, are mostly just pitiful. Even the ones posting on the DS reddit. And seeing themselves mocked here isn't helping them.

MeLKoR posted:

Wait, am I missing something here or are you saying that quoting poo poo shittizens say on reddit or the CIG forums is bad content that should be discouraged?

This is an honest question because that's like 80% of what I post in the thread and I don't remember seeing anyone criticize that before. I'm a bit baffled.


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Well, poo poo, if laughing at the crazies doesn't help them I guess we better stop then.

Klyith posted:

Wordwall

MeLKoR posted:

Wait, am I missing something here or are you saying that quoting poo poo shittizens say on reddit or the CIG forums is bad content that should be discouraged?

This is an honest question because that's like 80% of what I post in the thread and I don't remember seeing anyone criticize that before. I'm a bit baffled.

MeLKoR posted:

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Well, poo poo, if laughing at stupid internet people doesn't help them I guess we better stop then.

Klyith posted:

A good and funny thing has been drowned out by a bad and unfunny thing.

Chin posted:

CIG's focused fully on defeating the Salty Asshats by halting all attempts at development so there is nothing to laugh at.

Klyith posted:

I'm not trying to make that a reason to mock or not, but there are people with a crusader mentality here that think "we need to show the shitizens they're wrong" and it's not gonna happen

Tippis posted:

The background reference of the post is easy enough to explain; where he actually went with it… ehm… less so.

The Big Doxxing™ that happened in the history of SC threads — the one that got DSmart de-modded and banned — was when he finally got fed up with and outed a scammer who, among other things, posed as a Norwegian girl to cash in on those horny internet gamer gifts that always follow when people do that. It didn't end well for anyone involved, but since then, there is this oddball connection between Norwegian girls and Derek that you can always make fun of.

I don't remember anymore if the scammer in question actually claimed to be 14 or not, but even if he didn't, there is this other curious connection where a surprising number of high-profile individuals in the SC community have turned out to be outright pedophiles, pedophile wannabes (yes, really), or just utter creeps who'd hit on anything. So that part of the reference works out regardless.

D_Smart posted:

^this

Klyith posted:

I would encourage you, when you're about to hammer on the screenshot button, to ask yourself "Is this shitizen's post really crazy in an interesting or humorous way? Or is it just the best example I've seen today and I need to post something to keep the thread going?" If it's the latter, don't. The thread will still be here a week from now, the next time you find something good.

I'm not trying to make that a reason to mock or not, but there are people with a crusader mentality here that think "we need to show the shitizens they're wrong" and it's not gonna happen

spacetoaster posted:

Was it this cool guy?



He's got a cool company with some.......odd reviews online.



I don't remember who/what doxxed him though. Was it the blog post?

Kosumo posted:

Are you also that Derek Smart who is a 14 year old girl from Norway cos if so .... "Hello Derekette, who is a good little girl then? Come on, give your uncle Kossy a kiss"

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Beet Wagon posted:

Just so everyone is clear, we have a zero tolerance policy on posts sharing the personal/identifying information of other people, whether or not the context of the post is meant to show 4chan failing at doxxing someone.

ArfJason posted:

hey guys i sure am glad noone posts the personal information of anyone on this thread. That is absolutely not a thing that has happened or keeps happening.

CrazyTolradi posted:

Like, I don't care to go out of my way to read r/sc but I still think it's interesting to see how opinion there can turn on CIG when they royally gently caress up. It's also funny to watch your Tarkaroshes and Lethalitys trying as hard as they can to defend it and maintain their unwavering belief in the project.

If that's bad, I don't ever want to be good.

Sabreseven posted:

Hmmm, been out all day/night so I've apparently missed some funny stuff happening

I can tell it's funny because MoMa, Lazrin, Arf and some random people have all been in here causing a distraction (some randoms get a free pass though as they're prolly just curious)

CIG missed their dinner date on purpose with PCG again didn't they? LOL!!! I'm sure they'll be some more stuff tomorrow, in fact I'm 100% positive there will be

Sabreseven posted:

Hmmm, been out all day/night so I've apparently missed some funny stuff happening

I can tell it's funny because MoMa, Lazrin, Arf and some random people have all been in here causing a distraction (some randoms get a free pass though as they're prolly just curious)

CIG missed their dinner date on purpose with PCG again didn't they? LOL!!! I'm sure they'll be some more stuff tomorrow, in fact I'm 100% positive there will be