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TheChirurgeon posted:It's possible to underspend so far that you can't make it up, but it's really, really hard to do that and so far only the Raiders have even come close. Not really. People don't understand how dead money works and that's why they think the Raider's weren't going to "make it."
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MrLogan posted:Not really. People don't understand how dead money works and that's why they think the Raider's weren't going to "make it." The cap floor is a cash spending floor. Dead money doesn't factor in, only the actual cash paid out during that four-year window. The Raiders really weren't in danger of "not making it," they were just the only team to even come close enough that it came up
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Apparently Jordan Rodgers is the ESPN controversy fuel of the day as he spent awhile this morning arguing that Kirk Cousins is better then Cam Newton. Short version: 
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Kalli posted:Apparently Jordan Rodgers is the ESPN controversy fuel of the day as he apparently spent awhile this morning arguing that Kirk Cousins is better then Cam Newton.
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Feb 21, 2017 21:32
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Did that dude say that Matt Ryan hasn't proved anything yet? Cause he and Cam have both proved they can lose a Super Bowl.
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Feb 21, 2017 21:45
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I'm morbidly curious what team winds up with geno smith next year.
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Man it is a slow week for NFL news
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TheChirurgeon posted:Man it is a slow week for NFL news It's dumb as hell, but I was wondering why ESPN seemed to have everyone debating Cam vs Cousins all of a sudden this afternoon and realized they had someone crank the hot take machine.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Man it is a slow week for NFL news Hey the Dolphins/Jags trade is about as good as it gets until we get to the combine. Then franchise tags, then free agency. Oh god the offseason is long.
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I look forward to the first QB conversation involving "leadership" that doesn't make me want to bang my head against a wall.
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fishing with the fam posted:I look forward to the first QB conversation involving "leadership" that doesn't make me want to bang my head against a wall. I see guys described as leaders/not leaders often but rarely see anything substantial in terms of "here's what they do to that proves this is the case" and so I wonder if it even matters. Like I'm sure some of these guys are really charismatic and some are really into studying film, but the difference between Brady and Weeden isn't leadership
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TheChirurgeon posted:Man it is a slow week for NFL news Baseball hasn't started, college basketball hasn't REALLY started, lol hockey, and the NBA is at the all star break and is a slow grind to the inevitable Warriors/Cavs 3.0 finals. There's litreally nothing going on unless you want to disect the Boogie trade more
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TheChirurgeon posted:I see guys described as leaders/not leaders often but rarely see anything substantial in terms of "here's what they do to that proves this is the case" and so I wonder if it even matters. Like I'm sure some of these guys are really charismatic and some are really into studying film, but the difference between Brady and Weeden isn't leadership Tom Brady will scream at dudes and sulk on the sidelines when he's playing badly. But that just shows what a firey perfectionist he is. Now Cam Newton, there's a hotheaded babyman throwing a tantrum.
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Edit: ^^^dang it. It doesn't matter, which is why it makes me want to bang my head against a wall. Its a nebulous bullshit term like calling a guy a "winner", as if being a "winner" is an inherent trait. *QB screams at his lineman* "Ooooooh, look at that fiery, passionate leadership!" *Different QB screams at his lineman* "He needs to take the responsibility on his shoulders and stop blaming teammates, like a true leader."
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a neat cape posted:Baseball hasn't started, college basketball hasn't REALLY started, lol hockey, and the NBA is at the all star break and is a slow grind to the inevitable Warriors/Cavs 3.0 finals.
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When I think leadership it's mostly defensive guys who come to mind. Like Ed Reed firing up Miami at halftime, or all the Ray Lewis stuff we kinda poo poo on but probably did get guys pumped up. Joe Montana's great leadership moment that everyone talks about is noticing John Candy in the crowd at the super bowl.
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Eli Wiggum posted:Vlade Divac is a bad GM can't just flop and get a do over when you make a bad personnel decision
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Feb 21, 2017 22:11
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Kalli posted:Apparently Jordan Rodgers is the ESPN controversy fuel of the day as he spent awhile this morning arguing that Kirk Cousins is better then Cam Newton. Your 2016 completion percentage king and therefore best quarterback in the NFL: Sam Bradford
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Grittybeard posted:When I think leadership it's mostly defensive guys who come to mind. Like Ed Reed firing up Miami at halftime, or all the Ray Lewis stuff we kinda poo poo on but probably did get guys pumped up. Something that came up in a random interview with one of the Patriots was that the fiery guy during halftime of the Superbowl that was rallying everyone was... Logan Ryan. I think what we are presented from announcers/talking heads when it comes to that stuff is almost entirely fictional.
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Feb 21, 2017 22:21
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Cam was broken down and playing behind a mash unit of an offensive line last year. Kirk still couldn't beat him.
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Kirk Cousins would have dove on the fumble.
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Brady has reached the point where anything he does is going to get an ex post facto rationalization as being "good leadership" because of his past success. If he farted he'd get credit for "breaking the tension" and "keeping everyone loose" or some nonsense. If his "intangibles" matter at all, it's probably only insofar as his past success gives everyone a little more confidence if things look lovely. What that's worth compared to "Going apeshit in the 4th quarter & OT after starting lovely", I dunno. 
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Grittybeard posted:When I think leadership it's mostly defensive guys who come to mind. Like Ed Reed firing up Miami at halftime, or all the Ray Lewis stuff we kinda poo poo on but probably did get guys pumped up. I miss Seau and Merriman
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Here's some nerd stuff instead if you don't wanna "debate" Kirk vs Cam http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/failed-completions-2016 Failed completions stats for last season. A failed completion is any completion that doesn't get 45% of the needed yards on 1st down, 60% on 2nd down or all the yards on 3rd/4th down for a conversion. Cam was actually the guy least likely to throw a failed completion this year, with only 49 in 270 completions. (Barkley was actually the best, but come on). Flacco was the worst at 144 of 436, or literally a third of his completions this year. (Goff was actually the worst, but come on). Cam was also 3rd in Alex and Flacco was 31st, so hey Ravens, maybe fix whatever the gently caress is going on with your passing game. For teams, the Jaguars and Giants were the teams most likely to cause failed completions, which is interesting (how many of those were just grinding clock against the Jags?) while, unsurprisingly, the Saints and Packers were the worst at causing failed completions
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Kirk Cousins would have dove on the fumble. this but unironically In actual News (or a reasonable facsimile thereof), Football Outsiders released its analysis on failed completions for 2016, looking at who's the best at throwing worthless completions. Read it here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/failed-completions-2016 The short version is that Joe Flacco is this year's King of Bad Completions, with a whopping 33% of his passes failing to gain 60% of the needed yards on 1st down, 45% on 2nd down, and 100% on 3rd/4th down. He's had two seasons in his career with 100+ failed completions (2016, 2013), and this year set the NFL record for seasons since 1989 with 144 failed passes, apparently. Right around Flacco were Keenum (63 failures, 32.1%) and Goff (44 failures, 39.3%). Bradford's 2016 also came close, with 29.4% of his completions being failures (116 total). Dennis Pitta was the receiver of the most failed receptions (31), and was #5 in the failure rate (36% of his receptions were failures). Comparatively, the league's best receivers in terms of failed reception rate in 2016 were Nelson (2.9%), Jeffery (3.8%), Dez Bryant (4.0%), Josh Brown (5.1%), and Mike Evans (5.2%). Being on the list isn't necessarily bad per se, since Brees has led the league in failed completions a few times, but Flacco ain't Brees. In semi-relevant news, Newton was among the top of the list, with only 18.1% of his passes being failures. Ryan ranked 7th with 20.6%, while Cousins ranked 14th with 22.9%. There's also some good stuff in there on defenses. It's worth a read. e: God dammit Kalli
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Grittybeard posted:Joe Montana's great leadership moment that everyone talks about is noticing John Candy in the crowd at the super bowl. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qTpOlQgOVo
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sean10mm posted:Brady has reached the point where anything he does is going to get an ex post facto rationalization as being "good leadership" because of his past success. If he farted he'd get credit for "breaking the tension" and "keeping everyone loose" or some nonsense. The stuff after the Super Bowl about Brady made it seem like what he does that's great for the team is being a follower, not a leader. He's not about trying to be the leader of the team, he's about trying to do exactly what Belichick tells him to do.
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Kalli posted:http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/failed-completions-2016 I gave the article a quick perusal, but I didn't see any explanation as to why 45/60/100% were chosen as the breakdowns for this analysis (the 100% is self explanatory of course). Any idea what the reasoning is there? It seems arbitrary on its face, but I am curious if there is any deeper logic.
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Kirk Cousins is cerebral and a leader while Cam offers only athleticism Dogwhistle at its finest
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My fiancé (who gives no shits about anything football related) asked out of the blue what would happen if a receiver caught the ball, but dropped it after the fact due to being surprised that he caught it(?). So I showed her the Calvin Johnson "catch" and Dez "catch" and she agreed that those looked like catches. I was feeling super squirrely and showed her the tuck rule fumble to which she asked "but if his arm is moving forward isn't that an incomplete pass?" so I'm asking for the ring back
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Now show her the Immaculate Reception.
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Intruder posted:She's right
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During the Superbowl the camera panned over Brady and she said "that guy is kinda cute, who is that" so I've already deleted Facebook and hit the gym and now I'm lawyering up Edit wait this isn't E/N
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fishing with the fam posted:I gave the article a quick perusal, but I didn't see any explanation as to why 45/60/100% were chosen as the breakdowns for this analysis (the 100% is self explanatory of course). Any idea what the reasoning is there? It seems arbitrary on its face, but I am curious if there is any deeper logic. If I recall correctly, it's based on some older analysis done for The Hidden Game of Football that looked at the value of yards and yards toward a first down. I haven't read it, but intuitively it makes sense that not every completion is a success--anything that doesn't get you a first down on third down or fourth down is easy, but also any 0-yard completion, and I expect the numbers probably come from the chances of getting a first down based on the yardage gained on the play--e.g. your chances of getting a first down if you get 45% or more of the required yards on first down, etc.
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Intruder posted:Kirk Cousins is cerebral and a leader while Cam offers only athleticism poo poo, more like an air horn at this point. evilweasel posted:The stuff after the Super Bowl about Brady made it seem like what he does that's great for the team is being a follower, not a leader. He's not about trying to be the leader of the team, he's about trying to do exactly what Belichick tells him to do. Sounds about right. Supposedly Belichick rips on Brady in film review in front of everyone more than anybody, and Brady always takes it without bitching. He sets the example for accepting coaching and doing what you're told as much as anything. Blitz7x posted:During the Superbowl the camera panned over Brady and she said "that guy is kinda cute, who is that" so I've already deleted Facebook and hit the gym and now I'm lawyering up Postseason NFL, same thing.
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I think Brady's "leadership" skills are more about work ethic and preparation than anything he says on the sidelines.
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If Brady is such a great leader why won't anyone give him a high fiveBlitz7x posted:During the Superbowl the camera panned over Brady and she said "that guy is kinda cute, who is that" so I've already deleted Facebook and hit the gym and now I'm lawyering up Show her the NFL's most attractive man Joe Flacco
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