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A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

quote:

I took two weeks off to spend Christmas with my family. It turns out they now support literally every major derided "mainstream" conspiracy theory out there: chemtrails, 9/11 was an inside job, jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams, BigAgra trying to poison everyone, vaccines cause autism, all sorts of financial doomsday BS. They spent Christmas breakfast going on about how some major American company is going to test mysterious geoengineering technologies in Africa and kill off the entire continent. They spend all day watching "documentaries" on YouTube and buying it all at face value. If anyone even tries to debate one statement, they go silent or get angry.

Help? I'm going crazy. It's the only thing my brother-in-law, sister, and father talk about. They automatically assume that anything in mainstream news is a lie and everything from their precious documentaries is gospel truth. They don't care about facts or science or legitimate sources. Logical fallacies? Who cares! They spend all day watching shills who tell them that everything the media or government tells them is a lie and don't see the irony in accepting the shill in totality at face value.
Me (health research) and my brother (M/27, anthropologist, woo-ally) have tried to ask them to at least respect that we have very different opinions. No dice.

I feel like the whole conspiracy mindset is toxic on a life philosophy-level. On a practical level, I'm pretty sure my parents have spent quite a bit of money on various subscriptions, books/videos, "recommended" products, etc. I'm honestly terrified that my parents are going to die of something totally treatable because they would rather try woo-miracle X instead of having anything to do with mainstream Western medicine.

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54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed

WampaLord posted:

That doesn't make any of this okay.

WHY MIRTHLESS? What loving compels you to defend assholes?

There's always one person who has to defend the stupidest viewpoint and Mirthless is definitely king of that court. Haven't you met anyone in real life like that? It's beyond aggravating

Mirthless
Mar 27, 2011

by the sex ghost

TheScott2K posted:

Sounds like he's earned his spot in the financial driver's seat, then. Married couples with no kids just don't have the impetus to socialize the finances they way us breeders do. She's getting a markedly better lifestyle out of the arrangement, maybe she should explore ways to make her commute less hard on her back - posture, different car with better suspension, etc.

I out-earn my wife 4:1, we don't have kids, we share all expenses and resources and she gets full input on all major financial decisions :shrug:

IMO if you don't view your partner as an equal on every level in the relationship you are setting yourself up for failure down the road

54 40 or gently caress posted:

There's always one person who has to defend the stupidest viewpoint and Mirthless is definitely king of that court. Haven't you met anyone in real life like that? It's beyond aggravating

I thought it was a pretty good discussion for a page or two. Isn't dissent a good thing now and again? This thread gets boring fast when everyone is in agreement.

I'm trying a lot harder lately to not start multi-page derails so I won't keep it going any further, we'll just have to agree to disagree

Mirthless fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Feb 22, 2017

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
I think this could be handy for everyone in the thread. An article about the results of studies about taking someone's perspective vs getting it. It's hard to get an OP's perspective in a site-divorced mock thread, though, unless the convo on Reddit has covered plenty of ground with OP. It's not like I'm good with this at all.

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

quote:

I took two weeks off to spend Christmas with my family. It turns out they now support literally every major derided "mainstream" conspiracy theory out there: chemtrails, 9/11 was an inside job, jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams, BigAgra trying to poison everyone, vaccines cause autism, all sorts of financial doomsday BS. They spent Christmas breakfast going on about how some major American company is going to test mysterious geoengineering technologies in Africa and kill off the entire continent. They spend all day watching "documentaries" on YouTube and buying it all at face value. If anyone even tries to debate one statement, they go silent or get angry.

Help? I'm going crazy. It's the only thing my brother-in-law, sister, and father talk about. They automatically assume that anything in mainstream news is a lie and everything from their precious documentaries is gospel truth. They don't care about facts or science or legitimate sources. Logical fallacies? Who cares! They spend all day watching shills who tell them that everything the media or government tells them is a lie and don't see the irony in accepting the shill in totality at face value.
Me (health research) and my brother (M/27, anthropologist, woo-ally) have tried to ask them to at least respect that we have very different opinions. No dice.

I feel like the whole conspiracy mindset is toxic on a life philosophy-level. On a practical level, I'm pretty sure my parents have spent quite a bit of money on various subscriptions, books/videos, "recommended" products, etc. I'm honestly terrified that my parents are going to die of something totally treatable because they would rather try woo-miracle X instead of having anything to do with mainstream Western medicine.




E: Jet fuel might not burn hot enough to melt steel beams, but it burns hot enough to gently caress up the steel's tensile strength and make it weak and brittle.

Pvt.Scott fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Feb 22, 2017

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
Nevermind that blaming a 30 minute drive twice a day for posture problems is hilarious, it sounds like that woman as a serious case of keeping up with the Jones'.

Mirthless
Mar 27, 2011

by the sex ghost

Serephina posted:

Nevermind that blaming a 30 minute drive twice a day for posture problems is hilarious, it sounds like that woman as a serious case of keeping up with the Jones'.

...some people have degenerative disk problems and similar conditions that can make a 30 minute drive to work twice a day close to impossible

She says right in the post that she has the back of a 70 y/o, per her physical therapist who would probably be qualified to make that assessment

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

Mirthless posted:

...some people have degenerative disk problems and similar conditions that can make a 30 minute drive to work twice a day close to impossible

She says right in the post that she has the back of a 70 y/o.

She says her PT says she has the back of a 70 y/o.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
I feel like "hip neighborhood and a bigger mortgage" vs "lifelong dream of off-the-shelf new truck and snowboard lessons" folks deserve each other.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Many 70 year-olds have perfectly fine backs, ageist scum.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

I feel like "hip neighborhood and a bigger mortgage" vs "lifelong dream of off-the-shelf new truck and snowboard lessons" folks deserve each other.

It almost feels like a too on-the-nose criticism of western consumerism.

Barudak
May 7, 2007


My condolences, your family has been infiltrated by an e-series bioweapon.

Bamabalacha
Sep 18, 2006

Outta my way, ya dumb rah-rah!

Mirthless posted:

...some people have degenerative disk problems and similar conditions that can make a 30 minute drive to work twice a day close to impossible

She says right in the post that she has the back of a 70 y/o, per her physical therapist who would probably be qualified to make that assessment

Yeah, maybe, but a 30 minute commute (and lol at her thinking that's long) wouldn't cause her back fuckups. Exacerbate possibly, but not cause.

I have a hosed up back/neck and 1 hour a day in a car is entirely something that you can offset with physio exercises when you get home.

Mirthless
Mar 27, 2011

by the sex ghost

TheScott2K posted:

She says her PT says she has the back of a 70 y/o.

Physical therapy is real medicine and many of the people involved have doctorates

They are probably qualified to make that judgement.

I'm not really taking a side in this, I'm just saying, back problems are a real issue for a lot of people, don't underestimate how badly a commute can gently caress up somebody who already has existing issues.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
18 YEARS IN THE FUTURE
Kid: Mom I want to go to college
Mom: Well we can't afford it because of SOMEONE's new base jumping equipment
*Mom signs mortgage payment for vacation home*

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Pick posted:

It almost feels like a too on-the-nose criticism of western consumerism.

Western consumerism is its own parody of itself, like an ouroboros of classist suffering.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


I'm jealous of my landlord's Toyota Tacoma but maybe I'm just jealous of a non poo poo car in general because I'm 1700 miles away from my beautiful little Hyundai Accent and I'm driving a beat to poo poo 20 year old ford escort

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

Mirthless posted:

She says right in the post that she has the back of a 70 y/o, per her physical therapist who would probably be qualified to make that assessment
Her PT has no incentive to keep her coming back, right?

Seriously, this woman is entitled af.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Mirthless posted:

I thought it was a pretty good discussion for a page or two. Isn't dissent a good thing now and again? This thread gets boring fast when everyone is in agreement.

I'm trying a lot harder lately to not start multi-page derails so I won't keep it going any further, we'll just have to agree to disagree

this thread gets boring fast when you derail the carnival of freaks to start one of your UM ACTUALLY pedantic squabbles over some dumb nitpicky detail no sane person could give a drat about, and the no-self-control utter retards of the thread join in to voice their personal preferences on sock sorting or whatever the gently caress dull thing you've decided needs a slapfight to 'liven things up'

Mirthless
Mar 27, 2011

by the sex ghost

Leon Einstein posted:

Her PT has no incentive to keep her coming back, right?

Correct, generally insurance will only cover a limited number of visits to PT a year unless you have some really serious verifiable problems

Hugoon Chavez
Nov 4, 2011

THUNDERDOME LOSER
30 minute commute sounds like loving heaven to me.

Her only issue is that she wants to appear richer than she is, and while the husband should've totally used that bonus for both of them instead of just himself, she's being completely unreasonable in her expectations.

Moving is a pain in the rear end and raising your expenses permanently because you got a one time bonus is dumb as hell.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

I'm jealous of my landlord's Toyota Tacoma but maybe I'm just jealous of a non poo poo car in general because I'm 1700 miles away from my beautiful little Hyundai Accent and I'm driving a beat to poo poo 20 year old ford escort

I still drive the first and only car I've ever owned, because it's my buddy and it still works. Who cares if it's a boring piece of poo poo, I'm also a boring piece of poo poo. Perfect match imho

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Mirthless posted:

Physical therapy is real medicine and many of the people involved have doctorates

They are probably qualified to make that judgement.

I'm not really taking a side in this, I'm just saying, back problems are a real issue for a lot of people, don't underestimate how badly a commute can gently caress up somebody who already has existing issues.

PT can also stand for Personal Trainer

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

this thread gets boring fast when you derail the carnival of freaks to start one of your UM ACTUALLY pedantic squabbles over some dumb nitpicky detail no sane person could give a drat about, and the no-self-control utter retards of the thread join in to voice their personal preferences on sock sorting or whatever the gently caress dull thing you've decided needs a slapfight to 'liven things up'

If you just want to gawk at the freaks why even bother with this thread? Just read the sub.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

Pokémon trainer

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

Mirthless posted:

Correct, generally insurance will only cover a limited number of visits to PT a year unless you have some really serious verifiable problems
I also have never heard of people paying for medical care out of pocket.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
I retract my comment about the commute and her back, that's a good point that I didn't consider. And yes, some PTs might be scum, but most aren't and take their profession seriously.

She's still trying to keep up with the Jones', however.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

TheScott2K posted:

If you just want to gawk at the freaks why even bother with this thread? Just read the sub.

in an ideal world people would post jokes after the stories that are fun and enriching, but 12 page long pissing matches are also good as well, not

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Pick posted:

I still drive the first and only car I've ever owned, because it's my buddy and it still works. Who cares if it's a boring piece of poo poo, I'm also a boring piece of poo poo. Perfect match imho

my 15-year-old car has personality and there's an incredible feeling of power in being the only one on a highway full of current-year Lexuses with nothing of value to lose


TheScott2K posted:

If you just want to gawk at the freaks why even bother with this thread? Just read the sub.

I want to quote for me the post you've made in this thread that you really, really think was the most interesting and valued by other people. there's like five pages of em so should be easy to find one right

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Feb 22, 2017

Mirthless
Mar 27, 2011

by the sex ghost

Improbable Lobster posted:

PT can also stand for Personal Trainer

Yeah, but is this really the most likely answer?


Leon Einstein posted:

I also have never heard of people paying for medical care out of pocket.

Physical therapy is loving expensive and they're fighting over this dude's bonus. She's not paying 300-400 dollars a week for physical therapy out of pocket.

Zelder posted:

in an ideal world people would post jokes after the stories that are fun and enriching, but 12 page long pissing matches are also good as well, not

the only reason this thing is still going is because you guys won't stop commenting on all the lovely posting i'm not doing

It was a one page long discussion that is already over save for what you guys are doing right now

Mirthless fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Feb 22, 2017

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Mirthless posted:

Yeah, but is this really the most likely answer?

She sounds bougie as gently caress so, yes. Mr "I dunno, I think some details are missing", you have a lot of loving balls to ask that.

Ouhei
Oct 23, 2008

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

I feel like "hip neighborhood and a bigger mortgage" vs "lifelong dream of off-the-shelf new truck and snowboard lessons" folks deserve each other.

It sounds a lot like they're still thinking about themselves as individuals instead of as a unit. He's viewing that incoming money as a chance to do something that only benefits him without considering taking at least part of it and putting it towards something that might benefit them both. She's fixated on keeping up with her friends and not thinking about how that move would effect them long term. "Moving is a pain in the rear end and expensive" isn't an excuse if where you live truly makes you miserable, but moving to somewhere you can't afford isn't the solution either (we don't really know the exact financial changes they'd have to make to live there either though). They need to sit down and talk about money and their living situation and figure out something that works for both of them. Maybe they can move closer to her work/that trendy neighborhood so she could catch an uber/lyft/taxi home from hanging with her friends instead of facing a long drive.

My point is they both have a lot of growing up to do when it comes to finances and operating as a married couple.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

Actually Mirthless that one isn't specifically aimed at you, the multi page deep text analysis that everyone these days seems to engage in on all these loving posts is real dire, in my opinion

Mirthless
Mar 27, 2011

by the sex ghost

Improbable Lobster posted:

She sounds bougie as gently caress so, yes. Mr "I dunno, I think some details are missing", you have a lot of loving balls to ask that.

PT is the official and common abbreviation of physical therapy and a personal trainer isn't an authority on back problems or chronic pain or posture

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Mirthless posted:

PT is the official and common abbreviation of physical therapy and a personal trainer isn't an authority on back problems or chronic pain or posture

PT is also the common abbreviation for Personal Trainer, people you pay to help you exercise and make comments about stuff like your posture or back strength

DragQueenofAngmar
Dec 29, 2009

You shall not pass!

Mirthless posted:


Physical therapy is loving expensive and they're fighting over this dude's bonus. She's not paying 300-400 dollars a week for physical therapy out of pocket.


Americans spend money they don't have all the loving time

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

Americans spend money they don't have all the loving time

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.
Wizard of Goatse, you might benefit from a break. You seem to be taking the internet very seriously.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
Mirthless, I'm beginning to feel that all of your arguments feature anchoring with adjustment; you don't seem to realize that other people have had different experiences than you do.

DragQueenofAngmar posted:

Americans spend money they don't have all the loving time

Mirthless
Mar 27, 2011

by the sex ghost
This is a weird reversal, since I'm the one going off things she's saying and you're the ones going off your incredibly uncharitable interpretations of the OP in an attempt to play devil's advocate for her husband

Improbable Lobster posted:

Mirthless, I'm beginning to feel that all of your arguments feature anchoring with adjustment; you don't seem to realize that other people have had different experiences than you do.

In fairness, my partner does have a chronic pain problem due to degenerative disc problems in her neck that has required physical therapy and the amount of poo poo she has gotten from family members and strangers who don't believe her pain is real is incredible. It's a pet peeve. You could say I was triggered.




edit: vvv yeah that's it exactly, I never said she was right or not an entitled person, I just said she was probably not lying about her back pain

Mirthless fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Feb 22, 2017

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Ouhei
Oct 23, 2008

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Zelder posted:

Actually Mirthless that one isn't specifically aimed at you, the multi page deep text analysis that everyone these days seems to engage in on all these loving posts is real dire, in my opinion

This thread is much better when the quoted posts are taken at face value and we assume that the author is generally telling the truth. It's pretty easy to take from that post that the lady has an entitled attitude without assuming she's lying about having back problems.

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