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Rhyno posted:My memories of G'kar make me want to rewatch Babylon 5 but I'm worried it won't hold up. It won't! Watch it anyway.
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A friend of mine lent me his DVDs of it a few years ago, and the stories still work really well, buy the CGI looks like garbage and most of the sets look really, really cheap. Babylon 5 feels like a show that could make for a really decent reboot with some money and talent behind it.
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Feb 22, 2017 06:06
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twistedmentat posted:
Modern Hollywood would meddle with it until it ended weird like Lost or BSG
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Feb 22, 2017 06:13
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FuturePastNow posted:Modern Hollywood would meddle with it until it ended weird like Lost or BSG I'm thinking something like on HBO or something. Plus I don't think either of those had a lot of meddling from the studios.
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Feb 22, 2017 06:17
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WampaLord posted:In the eyes of Robert Hewitt Wolfe and Ira Steven Behr, the main reason the episode failed was because of restrictions placed upon how open they could be about sexuality. This was a show that was supposed to be examining sex, but it wasn't allowed to actually show any sex. As Wolfe explains, "kids watch this show, and in some markets it airs at five o'clock. That meant we couldn't show skin, so there was no sex. It became a totally asexual show, and once that happened the whole thing got flushed down the toilet because none of it made sense anymore." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion) You know what, then find a different show for that kind of story. I'm fine with Trek remaining in the safe for kids zone. Not everything needs to be sexy or gruesome. Restraint is actually worthwhile. Rhyno posted:My memories of G'kar make me want to rewatch Babylon 5 but I'm worried it won't hold up. Define "hold up." It's a thoroughly '90s tv show in presentation, and struggled against its tight budget limits. But once it starts hitting its stride in late season 1 to early season 2, you won't regret a rewatch. You might regret it a little bit up to that point. But it's so worth it.
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Feb 22, 2017 06:21
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Oh yeah, I forgot what I came in here for. Trip report: DS9 season 1 episode 4 "Babel." Line of the episode: "Rom is an idiot. He couldn't fix a straw if it was bent." This could've easily been a late TNG script with a few well placed find/replace strings. It's serviceable, and that's about all I really have for this one.
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Feb 22, 2017 06:27
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:You know what, then find a different show for that kind of story. I'm fine with Trek remaining in the safe for kids zone. Not everything needs to be sexy or gruesome. Restraint is actually worthwhile. It's amazing that none of them found the real problem with the episode which is "Worf sides with terrorists because he's a loving stick in the mud."
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Feb 22, 2017 06:39
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WampaLord posted:It's amazing that none of them found the real problem with the episode which is "Worf sides with terrorists because he's a loving stick in the mud." It was about this time when Trek as a whole really started its decline. It had started in the late TNG years when everyone got into a rut and burned out creatively, but it just kept accelerating and eventually got to a point of no return. They needed some fresh blood at the helm because of stuff like this. They were too invested and comfortable to see what they were really doing.
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Feb 22, 2017 06:46
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:It was about this time when Trek as a whole really started its decline. It had started in the late TNG years when everyone got into a rut and burned out creatively, but it just kept accelerating and eventually got to a point of no return. They needed some fresh blood at the helm because of stuff like this. They were too invested and comfortable to see what they were really doing. I dunno, I mean, the very next season gave us Far Beyond The Stars which on top of being a great episode, did a lot that Trek had never done before and In the Pale Moonlight, which is arguably the best episode across the entirety of Star Trek.
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Feb 22, 2017 06:51
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twistedmentat posted:A friend of mine lent me his DVDs of it a few years ago, and the stories still work really well, buy the CGI looks like garbage and most of the sets look really, really cheap. A decent remaster with new CG would do it wonders, too. Doesn't even have to be top-notch new CG, just something passable would be great.
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Feb 22, 2017 06:57
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Powered Descent posted:Someday the Enterprise will run into something that incapacitates everyone except Bolians. Then it's up to the ship's barbers to save the day. I think you are forgetting the canonical ability of Bolians to do extremely powerful shits.
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Feb 22, 2017 07:22
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Pakled posted:I dunno, I mean, the very next season gave us Far Beyond The Stars which on top of being a great episode, did a lot that Trek had never done before and In the Pale Moonlight, which is arguably the best episode across the entirety of Star Trek. Voyager and Enterprise had highlights too; none of that contradicts my point. MikeJF posted:A decent remaster with new CG would do it wonders, too. I'd prefer this. There is no way you could reliably replicate the chemistry of Londo and G'kar with new actors, as one example. But moreover, in general I maintain you could not make a show like B5 today. Everyone is too cynical to make something that threads the needle so well of the scrappy underdogs who somehow remain complex characters as they become legit Big drat Heroes. I fully believe any attempt today would either end up like the versions postulated by the armchair quarterback historians in The Deconstruction of Falling Stars, or leave them feeling flat.
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Feb 22, 2017 07:43
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skooma512 posted:Don't you need a SAG card to have speaking roles? Yes, but she would've gotten her SAG card from doing this. There are multiple ways to join SAG or Equity or AFTRA. They still audition non-union.
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Feb 22, 2017 08:24
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:It was about this time when Trek as a whole really started its decline. It had started in the late TNG years when everyone got into a rut and burned out creatively, but it just kept accelerating and eventually got to a point of no return. They needed some fresh blood at the helm because of stuff like this. They were too invested and comfortable to see what they were really doing. Man, one poorly thought out episode isn't proof of a long term decline. You may as well claim Trek started to decline when they decided Riker should murder some apparently fully-grown clones as part of the World's Worst Abortion Metaphor, but that was in TNG season two!
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Feb 22, 2017 08:25
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Superior homosexuality breeds superior fabulousness. A lesson we would do well to recall. 200 years ago I was a queen, with style over millions...
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Feb 22, 2017 08:36
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:You know what, then find a different show for that kind of story. I'm fine with Trek remaining in the safe for kids zone. Not everything needs to be sexy or gruesome. Restraint is actually worthwhile. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKp5oAHHNCI It's such a low-key and muted episode and then half the away team gets vaporized.
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Feb 22, 2017 08:36
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:I'm fine with Trek remaining in the safe for kids zone. Whoa way to poo poo all over Gene's vision for the future where everyone's a four-breasted hermaphrodite strip-tease queen lusting after biblical-scale Ferengi dong
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Feb 22, 2017 08:43
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MikeJF posted:A decent remaster with new CG would do it wonders, too. turn left hillary!! noo posted:I'd prefer this. There is no way you could reliably replicate the chemistry of Londo and G'kar with new actors, as one example. But moreover, in general I maintain you could not make a show like B5 today. Everyone is too cynical to make something that threads the needle so well of the scrappy underdogs who somehow remain complex characters as they become legit Big drat Heroes. I fully believe any attempt today would either end up like the versions postulated by the armchair quarterback historians in The Deconstruction of Falling Stars, or leave them feeling flat.
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Feb 22, 2017 09:38
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I rewatched it recently and really the CG is only super rough in the first season. By three I think it still looks good. It's not BSG but it's not bad. It has a really distinct look too, lots of color.
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Feb 22, 2017 15:02
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Angry Salami posted:Man, one poorly thought out episode isn't proof of a long term decline. You may as well claim Trek started to decline when they decided Riker should murder some apparently fully-grown clones as part of the World's Worst Abortion Metaphor, but that was in TNG season two! I wasn't saying that was a jump the shark moment, only that the writers' reactions are a symptom of what already existed and continued to got worse. DS9 is for the most part quite good as I recall. I lasted through 6 (nonconsecutive) seasons of Voyager and all of Enterprise, and like I said there is much to recommend there too. I was making a broader point.
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Feb 22, 2017 15:16
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So after marathoning through TNG, DS9, and Voyager, I decided to finally go through TOS. First season started off rough, but picked up towards the end. Second season was great. Six episodes into the third season and I am very frustrated. Is the rest of the season going to be garbage?
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Dazerbeams posted:So after marathoning through TNG, DS9, and Voyager, I decided to finally go through TOS. First season started off rough, but picked up towards the end. Second season was great. Six episodes into the third season and I am very frustrated. Is the rest of the season going to be garbage? Unfortunately, yes. There's a few good episodes in season three, but the fact that I can't think of any off the top of my head tells you everything you need to know. "Spock's Brain" is arguably one of the most enjoyable episodes of the season, but not for the reasons you would want or expect.
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Railing Kill posted:Unfortunately, yes. There's a few good episodes in season three, but the fact that I can't think of any off the top of my head tells you everything you need to know. "Spock's Brain" is arguably one of the most enjoyable episodes of the season, but not for the reasons you would want or expect. Looking over the list of season 3 episodes, I'd say The Enterprise Incident and The Tholian Web are both legitimately good. The rest of them range from okay to downright cringeworthy. There's nothing that can prepare you for the horror that is Spock's Brain, or The Way to Eden, or And the Children Shall Lead, or Plato's Stepchildren. (And I'll admit I have a soft spot for Spectre of the Gun, but I'm not going to try to claim it's particularly high-quality writing.)
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Powered Descent posted:Looking over the list of season 3 episodes, I'd say The Enterprise Incident and The Tholian Web are both legitimately good. The rest of them range from okay to downright cringeworthy. There's nothing that can prepare you for the horror that is Spock's Brain, or The Way to Eden, or And the Children Shall Lead, or Plato's Stepchildren. All Our Yesterdays is also pretty good. I think of it as an unofficial finale for the show, since the actual finale is such a shitshow. I also have a soft spot for The Cloud Minders, but its ending sure is pretty far out there. skasion fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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Feb 22, 2017 18:30
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I like For The World is Hollow and I Have Touched The Sky and Is There In Truth No Beauty?, but yeah, they're not great episodes.
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Feb 22, 2017 18:33
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'That Which Survives' is good fun if only for Spock being a deadpan sarcastic cock to the entire crew.
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Feb 22, 2017 20:44
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Season 3 has the best titles at least.
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Feb 22, 2017 20:48
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I read that as 'titties' and I was about to vehemently disagree.
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Feb 22, 2017 21:03
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Binary Badger posted:I read that as 'titties' and I was about to vehemently disagree. Spoken like someone who doesn't remember The Cloud Minders
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Feb 22, 2017 21:17
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I like For The World is Hollow and I Have Touched The Sky and Is There In Truth No Beauty?, but yeah, they're not great episodes. I legit love the gonzo editing in "Is There In Truth No Beauty?" when someone sees a Medusan and goes insane, it's some wild poo poo.
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Feb 22, 2017 21:26
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Dreadnought is almost a really good episode and then no-one really learns anything and everything comes up a little too rosy and moving on, what do you mean I commandeered a weapon of galactic genocide because I was feeling down one day, I don't remember that.
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Feb 22, 2017 22:06
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McSpanky posted:I legit love the gonzo editing in "Is There In Truth No Beauty?" when someone sees a Medusan and goes insane, it's some wild poo poo. Yeah, an interesting aspect of season 3 is that because everyone knew the show was doomed they sometimes felt freed up to do some very bizarre stuff that you probably couldn't have gotten away with on any other Star Trek show. Like "The Empath". Can't stand it but its staging is way further out there than anything else in Trek, it looks like an episode of The Prisoner.
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Feb 22, 2017 22:15
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King Hong Kong posted:Season 3 has the best titles at least. TOS, all of it, has better episode titles than all of the rest of Trek. "Better" here meant as "dramatic, poetic, and more than a little overwrought." But they're cool as hell.
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Feb 22, 2017 22:58
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skasion posted:Spoken like someone who doesn't remember The Cloud Minders What Are Little Girls Made Of says you're wrong.
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Feb 23, 2017 00:15
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Nessus posted:Are you kidding? It would be despised for ruining the original vision. It is known. AT MOST if they just, like, fixed a couple of glaring authentic goofs they might be able to get away with it - maybe - if the people who did it were sufficiently fellatory on maintaining the original vision. Nah, given how dire the FX are - especially nowdays after they lost the FX masters and it's all hosed up lovely NTSC tapes - I think most fans would be happy with it. Although I did think that B5 exploding in Lost Tales looked way worse than in Sleeping in Light. quote:It's a shame the people involved with Enterprise never got the idea to start spinning a yarn about studio interference. If they had, I half-expect Enterprise would be the fan favorite by now. Oh it's well known that ENT was more hosed by studio interfefence. B&B wanted proper story arcs from the start and the Temporal Cold War was forced on them to link it to TNG era. Doesn't help it.
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Feb 23, 2017 03:15
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Nessus posted:It's a shame the people involved with Enterprise never got the idea to start spinning a yarn about studio interference. If they had, I half-expect Enterprise would be the fan favorite by now.
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Feb 23, 2017 09:11
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"We've just received a program to generate strawberry-flavored decon gel and instructions to install cameras in the decon chamber for live 48K hyperdef broadcast back to Earth. For scientific documentation."
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Feb 23, 2017 10:27
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Trip, I'd like you to check out the decon chamber. Every time T'Pol and I come back from an away mission, "Unchained Melody" starts playing when we are rubbing decon gel on each other.
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Feb 23, 2017 19:49
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Mr. F! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAI-REwa5BI
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MikeJF posted:Nah, given how dire the FX are - especially nowdays after they lost the FX masters and it's all hosed up lovely NTSC tapes - I think most fans would be happy with it. :bonessay:
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