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Entropic posted:It's amazing how long it took them to do basic things like "have consistent templating of rules text between cards" and "not have cards worded like they were hastily typed out by an excited DM at 3am". They seem basic things to us, now. It took Yu-Gi-Oh forever to adopt consistent templating too. It was visionary of Wizards to do that before the turn of the millennium.
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Everyone always points to Banding as the early-Magic thing no one actually understood properly, but I think the real mystery to most people was the difference between Instants and Interrupts.
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Feb 22, 2017 23:48
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In the last draft I did, I had to have a judge explain to two different people that if I make the target of their Harnessed Lightning illegal, they don't get the energy from it.
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Feb 22, 2017 23:51
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:They already fudge things w.r.t the mana pool too, like the improvise flavour text. "Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for {1}" . That would preclude you from getting 2 mana out of an ethereum cell. I'm confused; that's the case, isn't it? Like you couldn't get two mana out of convoking an Eldrazi Scion.
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Feb 22, 2017 23:59
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Star Man posted:In the last draft I did, I had to have a judge explain to two different people that if I make the target of their Harnessed Lightning illegal, they don't get the energy from it. This happens with the green Implement a lot as well.
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Feb 23, 2017 00:02
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GonSmithe posted:This happens with the green Implement a lot as well. I'm confused as to how you'd think the green implement gained energy at all. On the subject of implements, what would've made the white implement playable? 0 CC, 4 life, some other effect entirely?
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Feb 23, 2017 00:13
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PJOmega posted:I'm confused as to how you'd think the green implement gained energy at all. What GonSmithe means is that people get confused over is that they don't get to put the +1/+1 counter on another creature if the one they targeted becomes an illegal target.
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Feb 23, 2017 00:15
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I'm guessing they think they can change what the +1/+1 counter can go on? Or maybe GonSmithe thinks that if you make the target illegal then they don't get the card? Either way, this one is a bit easier to grasp than the Harnessed Lightning, imho.
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Feb 23, 2017 00:15
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Myriad Truths posted:I'm confused; that's the case, isn't it? Like you couldn't get two mana out of convoking an Eldrazi Scion. Huh you made me go back and look it up and you're right. This changed with the convoke reworking for M15. Activating mana abilities in 601.2b, then paying costs in 601.2g. My bad!
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Feb 23, 2017 00:17
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PJOmega posted:On the subject of implements, what would've made the white implement playable? 0 CC, 4 life, some other effect entirely? The white implement is playable, it's just that white decks don't tend to care about improvise as much as red decks do, and revolt as a mechanic is super underwhelming and not really worth building around. If the white implement cost colorless mana to sacrifice, red decks would play just as many of them as they will play red implements, which is as many as they can draft.
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Feb 23, 2017 00:18
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If you have even one sac outlet (gearsmasher or the new atog) and a couple of improvise payoff cards then the 1 cmc off colour implements are very playable.
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Feb 23, 2017 00:20
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PJOmega posted:I'm confused as to how you'd think the green implement gained energy at all. If it was in a color that had improvise. If you are playing a super revolt strategy its playable or B/W its fine.
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Feb 23, 2017 00:21
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Renewed Faith was a standard playable card and it was basically always cycled (although there were other synergies at work there as well), the white implement being bad is contextual and not because is actively bad.
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Feb 23, 2017 00:25
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The white implement is perfectly playable in WR, WB, or WU if you have enough Improvise cards and maybe a couple things that have Revolt or care about artifacts in other ways like the 1B uncommon enchantment from Kaladesh. 1-mana artifacts of any kind are at a premium for Improvise decks. I'd still rather have the red one.
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Feb 23, 2017 01:31
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https://twitter.com/Fushinopanic/status/834578369794617344 They're having a bit of a rough week...
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odiv posted:They're
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Get your specs in now folks.  Its basically splinter twin. Sickening fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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Feb 23, 2017 03:13
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You need something else like Hardened Scales to go infinite.
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Feb 23, 2017 03:15
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Sickening posted:Get your specs in now folks. I....don't get it. Shoot self, get a counter, shoot self, die? Is there a third card involved, or do you need two copies of that do-nothing enchantment?
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You still need a hardened scales effect for that to actually combo off, right?
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Feb 23, 2017 03:16
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Hellsau posted:I....don't get it. Shoot self, get a counter, shoot self, die? Is there a third card involved, or do you need two copies of that do-nothing enchantment? 
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Feb 23, 2017 03:17
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this joke disappoints me
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Feb 23, 2017 03:19
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On the subject of people not understanding mana I had a guy on Cockatrice once claim that Painter's Servant naming Blue made all lands Islands. I just left.
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Feb 23, 2017 03:29
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Sickening posted:Its basically splinter twin. Here's something that is also basically Splinter Twin. http://www.channelfireball.com/videos/channel-mengucci-modern-jeskai-saheeli/
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Feb 23, 2017 03:41
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video starts "it's a pretty weird idea." gently caress you you dorklord, you're just UWR Twin, but worse quit loving around with felidar guardian and put in sun titans like god and Oath of Druids intended
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Feb 23, 2017 03:47
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:video starts "it's a pretty weird idea." gently caress you you dorklord, you're just UWR Twin, but worse ......and play an unplayable deck instead of a terrible one?
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Sickening posted:Get your specs in now folks. Isn't there a deck that already plays 4 of one of those and 8 of the other?
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TVsVeryOwn posted:On the subject of people not understanding mana I had a guy on Cockatrice once claim that Painter's Servant naming Blue made all lands Islands. I just left. How do people like this exist? Serious question. Do they just not care about the rules, or what?
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Feb 23, 2017 05:27
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suicidesteve posted:......and play an unplayable deck instead of a terrible one? correct
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Feb 23, 2017 05:35
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Saffron Olive's latest misadventure makes me want to puke, but it also gave me a question. Does Inspiring Statuary give Faithless Looting Improvise even in the graveyard? The way it's worded makes me think it does.
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Veyrall posted:Saffron Olive's latest misadventure makes me want to puke, but it also gave me a question. It's a spell you cast and it isn't an artifact, so yeah.
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Feb 23, 2017 06:22
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One of my teammates has the best bad beat story ever from GP Vancouver. Teammate was on ad nauseum and Round 1 of the main event he got 2-0'd by: G/U Hardened Scales! Opponent went T1 fetch, shock, hardened scales. T2 fetch, shock, double cloudfin raptor T3 fetch, hardened scales, strangleroot geist, swing 8. T4 pongify the strangleroot Geist, swing 17. Apparently G 2 was very similar. He was at least mildly salty about it.
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Hey y'all it's the last day to submit entries for this week's Card Design Contest!
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An interesting deck won a Game Day here recently, so I've been fiddling with it online: BW Displacer: 4 Glint-sleeve Siphoner 4 Eldrazi Displacer 2 Deadeye Harpooner 2 Farigrounds Warden 2 Gonti, Lord of Luxury 3 Gifted Aetherborn 2 Selfless Spirit 2 Restoration Gearsmith 1 Thalia's Lancers 2 Archangel Avacyn 4 Fatal Push 2 Murder 4 Renegade Map 2 Aethersphere Harvester 2 Sinister Concoction 4 Evolving Wilds 3 Concealed Courtyard, 3 Shambling Vent 5 Swamp 4 Plains 1 Wastes 2 Sea Gate Wreckage Sideboard: 1 Selfless Spirit 1 Fairgrounds Warden 2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar 1 Kambal, Consul of Allocation 1 Thalia, Heretic Cathar 1 Linvala, the Preserver 1 Liliana, the last Hope 1 Lost Legacy 1 To the Slaughter 1 Anguished Unmaking 1 Flaying Tendrils 1 Fumigate I'm liking it so far, it can beat the main three decks, although I had a couple of bad games against the Aether Flux Reservoir combo deck. Personally I favour Ruinous Path over Murder, and I'd consider the black 3CMC Revolt guy that gives -3/-3 instead of Harpooner.
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I prefer Kalitas in GB constrictor over Gonti (I do also play the BB 2/3 deathtoucher as a 2 of as that is a key boardstaller). My reasons are Kalitas only needs 1 counter to be out of grasp range and makes zombies where relying on your opponents deck to gain an advantage seems dicey to me. Considering every list I see has 2x Gonti in the main I am assuming I am missing something and my evaluation of the situation is off. Why is Gonti preferred over Kalitas in your opinions? I would like to know the other side of the argument.
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DoctorOozy posted:I prefer Kalitas in GB constrictor over Gonti (I do also play the BB 2/3 deathtoucher as a 2 of as that is a key boardstaller). Kalitas seems like a SB card these days. I thought it was better with Reflector Mage out of the format but most of the time it just doesn't do enough. Gonti almost always is a 2 for 1 in the mirror. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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Star Man posted:In the last draft I did, I had to have a judge explain to two different people that if I make the target of their Harnessed Lightning illegal, they don't get the energy from it. Tbf I really think this rule should go the way of mana burn at some point. New players are practically guaranteed to learn it as part of a feelbad "gotcha!" moment, and I don't think what it adds to the game strategically is worth that.
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Feb 23, 2017 16:14
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Is that rule easy to get rid of? I have a gut feeling you'd just end up with some other "gotcha!" moments, but I can't think of any offhand, so maybe it'd be fine.
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Nibble posted:Tbf I really think this rule should go the way of mana burn at some point. New players are practically guaranteed to learn it as part of a feelbad "gotcha!" moment, and I don't think what it adds to the game strategically is worth that. What rule? Spells fizzling when they no longer have any legal targets?
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Nibble posted:Tbf I really think this rule should go the way of mana burn at some point. New players are practically guaranteed to learn it as part of a feelbad "gotcha!" moment, and I don't think what it adds to the game strategically is worth that. Spell fizzle is an important part of the game. Some cards are balanced around them being disrupt-able in this way.
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