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JFairfax posted:is tony blair working class? I'm not sure - does he have a job?
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Rakosi posted:How is everyone coping with Storm Doris? First time I've closed my windows this year. It's looking pretty bleak out there.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:24
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not sure - does he have a job? He makes about £2 million a year out of his shares in one of his main companies, and owns real estate to the tune of 30-50 million or more. That means that no, he's not working class because even if he has a job, it's not what he depends on to live.
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Pochoclo posted:He makes about £2 million a year out of his shares in one of his main companies, and owns real estate to the tune of 30-50 million or more. That means that no, he's not working class because even if he has a job, it's not what he depends on to live. Sounds like we have an answer.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:25
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If you're on here all day you're not working class. Hard working men and womyn don't have the free time to shitpost.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:25
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hand-fed baby bird posted:If you're on here all day you're not working class. Hard working men and womyn don't have the free time to shitpost. So unemployed people and people who work outside of office hours can't be working class. I'm learning so much today.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:27
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Pissflaps posted:So unemployed people and people who work outside of office hours can't be working class. You're a smart guy. I'm sure you learn a lot.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:28
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where do you fall if you don't earn the median UK wage or higher?
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Feb 23, 2017 11:32
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Long term unemployed people have long been considered a separate group to the working class. Whether they have an important role in the social advancement of society was (and remains) one of the big points of disagreement in the red-black split.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:32
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Jose posted:where do you fall if you don't earn the median UK wage or higher? that doesn't really have a bearing on whether or not you are working class, and it's hard to say how it impacts your quality of life with generalities. you could earn 5k less than the median wage but be single, live somewhere with cheap rental accomodation, and have less financial worries than someone earning 10k more than the median wage with 3 kids and in a v. expensive area to live. both of these people would be working class most likely. however, what you earn in your day job is less important than your financial security + how you earn your money. I mean you could be a kid whose parents are very wealthy and you have a trust fund and you're a PR intern earning 24k a year. You ain't working class despite you earning less than the median UK wage. the whole point is less about what your day job actually brings in, but how you earn your money. If you exchange your labour for wages and you have no other source of income then you are working class.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:40
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So a barrister would be working class, but a cleaner who sublets their flat is middle class. I get it now.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:44
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What's weird about this poll is that they used "ok" instead of "don't know" which isn't something YouGov or other pollsters usually do. One could argue that given the general unpopularity of politicians in general that "ok" is a relatively favourable response. Whether or not using "ok" instead of "don't know" demonstrably drives down the favourable columns we can't be sure but this sure does give them a "all Labour politicians seen unfavourably" headline. Edit: lol Hilary Benn and Chucka Umuna in seen more favourably by 2015 Lib Dem voters than 2015 Labour voters shocker. Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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Feb 23, 2017 11:44
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Pissflaps posted:So a barrister would be working class, but a cleaner who sublets their flat is middle class. I get it now. no, if you are using the term subletting to describe someone renting out part of a property that they themselves are renting, then no, that's not really someone being a member of the petit-bourgeoisie. the thing they're renting isn't their asset, it's something they're paying for with the wages they are paid in exchange for their labour. if they're unable to pay their rent, they can no longer sublet. now if the cleaner owns their flat, then yes, the cleaner would be a member of the petit-bourgeoisie, but not necessarily a member of the rentier class.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:48
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Jose posted:southerners are really bad tbf Jose posted:i don't think anyone itt can defend southerners as not being really bad This casual racism disgusts me.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:50
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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Yes you're right sorry I meant renting out a room rather than subletting.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:51
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yeah, then they would be a member of the lower middle class / petit-bourgeoisie, certainly if they owned it outright with no mortgage
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Feb 23, 2017 11:52
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Pissflaps posted:Yes you're right sorry I meant renting out a room rather than subletting. You're getting there aren't you? You're learning.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:52
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HJB posted:This casual racism disgusts me. they consistently vote tory
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Feb 23, 2017 11:53
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jose what's the furthest south in england u've been?
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Feb 23, 2017 11:54
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I went to Jersey once.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:58
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I like how pissflaps completely dodged the question of defining 'working class' and then proceeds to make strawman definitions of who is working/middle class to accuse other people of defining it poorly.
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Feb 23, 2017 11:59
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Guavanaut posted:I went to Jersey once. i am not sure if technically jersey is england
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Feb 23, 2017 12:00
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I went to Falmouth once.
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Feb 23, 2017 12:00
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Pissflaps posted:I went to Falmouth once. Great.
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Feb 23, 2017 12:01
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hand-fed baby bird posted:Great. Yeah it was nice. Cornwall has a bit of a magical feel about it, especially arriving by train. Long journey but worth it.
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Feb 23, 2017 12:02
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Can confirm it is awfully windy in the Wales
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Feb 23, 2017 12:03
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JFairfax posted:i am not sure if technically jersey is england
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Feb 23, 2017 12:04
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Pissflaps posted:Yeah it was nice. Cornwall has a bit of a magical feel about it, especially arriving by train. Long journey but worth it. Fantastic.
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Feb 23, 2017 12:04
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JFairfax posted:I am guessing he was probably named after Jeremy Bentham. I assumed he was named after the Pearl Jam song. As an aside, Pissflaps pretending not to know what working class means is really bad. Stop encouraging him.
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Feb 23, 2017 12:05
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I have a bad feeling he's not pretending forkboy
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Feb 23, 2017 12:08
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have the storms got this bad yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPKb9z4l7eM
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Feb 23, 2017 12:08
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Apparently St. Pancras was rocking in the wind and all trains out are stopped. Also lines are down in Bedford. Not a good day to be stuck in London.
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Feb 23, 2017 12:13
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JFairfax posted:pissflaps as a homeowner you can rent out part of your property so that you can become a member of the petit-bourgeoisie as a homeowner Jeremy Corbyn does exactly that - rents part of his home to a lodger. you might recall the amusement we all had ITT when the guy got hired by Mail Online. or at least he did up to 2015. maybe being leader of the opposition now he'd be made to stop renting out for security reasons.
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Feb 23, 2017 12:16
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Seaside Loafer posted:He isnt a bloody tory he's a great bloke but he should just be shouting the following instead of trying to be nice: If you do this in Democracy 3 you get assassinated. That game is balls btw, you fix the UK with communism and even if you throw loads of your fun excess money into police and secret services you STILL get cold cocked by the business mafia.
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Feb 23, 2017 12:17
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is that Haddon street.
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Coohoolin posted:If you do this in Democracy 3 you get assassinated. Sounds like you have bad luck. I made Britain into a human-rights-bastion socialist democracy. Now Australia... that's a motherfucker. Raised corporation tax and got murked by a right-wing paramilitary.
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Feb 23, 2017 12:21
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Sion posted:is that Haddon street. uh oh jose, run
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Feb 23, 2017 12:22
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JFairfax posted:jose what's the furthest south in england u've been? i went to cornwall as a kid and have been briefly to portsmouth if getting a ferry from there counts. most recent is bristol
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Feb 23, 2017 12:23
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JFairfax posted:uh oh jose, run Like- that's the street I stayed on when I lived in boro. It looks a lot like how I remember it but then again there's a generic 'grim northern town side street' image in my head.
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