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They didn't repair LMD Fitz and ask him to fix the Daisey bots just to have it never mentioned in the show again. There will be a final LMD showdown in the real world by the end of the season.
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Zero One posted:They didn't repair LMD Fitz and ask him to fix the Daisey bots just to have it never mentioned in the show again. Yes, end of the season, like I said. I just think anyone who thinks anything LMD related is going to get out of this season intact is going to be disappointed.
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Does it really matter though? The Daisy LMDs don't have inhuman abilities so what does it matter? Just bring back Robbie Reyes and the metal melting family man guy and melt the drat robots.
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Coffee Mugshot posted:Does it really matter though? The Daisy LMDs don't have inhuman abilities so what does it matter? Just bring back Robbie Reyes and the metal melting family man guy and melt the drat robots. Something tells me they've installed a couple of new features on those models. 
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Coffee Mugshot posted:Does it really matter though? The Daisy LMDs don't have inhuman abilities so what does it matter? Just bring back Robbie Reyes and the metal melting family man guy and melt the drat robots. But we need a cool fight scene. Quake vs the other 20 Daisys. I bet Chloe Bennet would love to do that. By the way, I love that the official twitter account makes the same silly puns as us. https://twitter.com/AgentsofSHIELD/status/834286878299787264 Also I made a pretty good guess when I said 20. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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Feb 23, 2017 20:43
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bull3964 posted:I just think anyone who thinks anything LMD related is going to get out of this season intact is going to be disappointed. I'm thinking this, too. And am disappointed. e: although I suppose the point is moot if this does end up being the show's final season 
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Feb 23, 2017 21:36
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Eh, I don't want Ward to come back. I think he served his purpose and his arcs concluded successfully. The show is better off for having moved on to new villains.
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What makes you think Ward is going to be a villain? I love that they keep bringing Dalton back and every time it feels right and not forced to me.
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enraged_camel posted:Eh, I don't want Ward to come back. I think he served his purpose and his arcs concluded successfully. The show is better off for having moved on to new villains. Yeah, but bringing him back as a heroic robot instead of a villainous human/squid presents all kinds of great plot hooks. He would effectively be an entirely different character who would have to deal with everyone's prejudices against someone he isn't.
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Feb 23, 2017 22:24
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Tree Dude posted:What makes you think Ward is going to be a villain? Of course he's not gonna be the villain, he's part of a world where Hydra won, he's a hero! He's probably Captain America!
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I cannot imagine a situation, after all this trauma, where anyone on the team would be cool with having a robot around let alone one that has the face of someone who betrayed them.
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It might even be funnier/more interesting if the things that drove Ward into the hands of Hydra drove him into the hands of some sort of anti-Hydra resistance in the Framework world and he's unequivocally a good guy in what he does to people who hate his guts.
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bull3964 posted:I cannot imagine a situation, after all this trauma, where anyone on the team would be cool with having a robot around let alone one that has the face of someone who betrayed them. How much therapy are they going to need? I mean, drat. It'd be easier to just use that SHIELD tech that eats memories from TAHITI and just purge it all.
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Tree Dude posted:What makes you think Ward is going to be a villain? I meant I dont want him to come back permanently. I'm totally OK with exploring an alternate reality in which he's Daisy's bf.
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I wonder if the Matrix can distinguish that Skye doesn't (didn't?) have powers, but Daisy does.
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hiddenriverninja posted:I wonder if the Matrix can distinguish that Skye doesn't (didn't?) have powers, but Daisy does. She may never have undergone terrigenesis in the Matrix.
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bull3964 posted:I cannot imagine a situation, after all this trauma, where anyone on the team would be cool with having a robot around let alone one that has the face of someone who betrayed them. Before this episode, I was sort of expecting the season to end with one of the main characters (my money was on Fitz) doing clean-up work at Dr. Radcliffe's home, that ended with them finding their own long-dead corpse under the floorboards. But it seems that the LMD threat isn't going to be a long-term thing like Inhumans have been.
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Wait so the Framework really is just the Matrix (aka the Grid aka the Attic aka)? In the sense that everyone in there is living in the exact same digital world? That feels like it would be incredibly counterproductive to...y'know, people actually having their ideal, no-regrets lives. In general, having everything you want means someone else not having something that they want, which is exactly how it works in the real world. I feel like it would be more efficient and logical for the Framework to give individual people their own separate, individual ideal worlds.
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BrianWilly posted:Wait so the Framework really is just the Matrix (aka the Grid aka the Attic aka)? In the sense that everyone in there is living in the exact same digital world? My impression was you don't get everything you want. I believe they said that your biggest regret is just wiped away. And after that the cards fall where the may. I mean if you got everything you wanted then Simmons wouldn't be in a grave. Also if you got everything you wanted there wouldn't be any danger in dying in the Framework because you wouldn't die.
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BrianWilly posted:Wait so the Framework really is just the Matrix (aka the Grid aka the Attic aka)? In the sense that everyone in there is living in the exact same digital world? Yeah but that's not as cool as HYDRA world.
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X-O posted:My impression was you don't get everything you want. I believe they said that your biggest regret is just wiped away. And after that the cards fall where the may. I mean if you got everything you wanted then Simmons wouldn't be in a grave. Also if you got everything you wanted there wouldn't be any danger in dying in the Framework because you wouldn't die. Well maybe someone who went into the Framework first wanted Simmons dead more than anything?
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Rhyno posted:Well maybe someone who went into the Framework first wanted Simmons dead more than anything? The true villain then.
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X-O posted:The true villain then. Perhaps there are a lot more Framework interfaces already up and running? Maybe the lady in the limo with Fitz is a real person?
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Feb 24, 2017 00:25
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Jemma is dead because Fitz and Jemma have weird twin like sixth sense when it comes to each other so they assumed Fitz would figure it out.
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The framework was initially a virtual training thing. They used it to keep May alive and sedated. Once they got the Darkhold the Doctor realized what he could do with it and create a whole world. To give humans immortal life.
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Dexo posted:The framework was initially a virtual training thing. Shiny and chrome.
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The whole "fix your regret" thing was to keep May compliant because she was fighting the framework. Initially they tried to keep her happy with a spa and she rejected it, and each subsequent simulation eventually tipped her off and she fought against it. Its reasonable to assume that not everyone is as bad rear end as May so you don't need to cater reality to everyone's perfect scenario. Nor is it likely that everyone is driven by the same kind of motivations that May is so Mack IS comfortable with having his kid and family back and might not fight that. He doesn't "regret" her dying. He mourns her loss. Taking away that grief theoretically makes him content. "Fix your regret" is Radcliffe's mad scientist justification for why what he was doing to May wasn't bad. But it wasn't his goal. It only ended up there as he sought to control her. Radcliffe was never trying to be altruistic towards May, he simply justified his actions as such when all was said and done. And that's all Radcliffe while this framework is designed by Aida. Aida has no emotions or moral center. Her two defining "moral" commands were to protect the Framework and protect life. But Radcliffe convinced her that life is irrelevant if the person is in the Framework, so now her sole motivator is protecting the Framework even to the point of killing people like Radcliffe. So she doesn't care about fixing anyone's deepest regrets. She just has to keep them content and docile in the Framework long enough for their bodies to die. If fixing their regrets is it, then it is. If its just giving them a teaching job, that's cool. But its also trial and error so what she thinks may make Daisy content could be wildly wrong just as it initially was with May.
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Ensign_Ricky posted:Anyone got an over/under on Ward transferring himself out of the Framework and into an LMD? I never knew I wanted something from a TV show as much as this.
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Dr. Radcliffe was livid when he found out Aida had reset the simulation with him inside, saying that there could be catastrophic (if somewhat vague) damage to the subject if the simulation resets with that person still inside. So... what does this mean for May, who spent weeks inside the simulation as it ran a constant reset loop? Is her brain going to be totally fried? Are we going to get a good-guy Ward (either in the matrix or an LMD body) versus an incurably psychopathic HYDRA loyalist May? That actually might be an interesting mirror to Captain America's current HYDRA shenanigans in the comics.
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I want Ward back full time because Dalton deserves better than starring in bad Christian films.
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Codependent Poster posted:I want Ward back full time because Dalton deserves better than starring in bad Christian films.
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The interview had the Framework act as a "What If?" scenario for them. May: I never became the Cavalry/ killed the inhuman little girl Coulson: I never joined S.H.I.E.L.D. Mack: Hope never died Fitz: ? (I'm guessing something to do with his father, or if he never joined S.H.I.E.L.D. and worked in the private sector) Daisy: ? (She had long hair in the shot, so it's pre-Quake. She knew Ward. Maybe it's allowing Hydra to have those codes/joining Ward) Jemma: ? (That date on the headstone makes me think she jumped and died after the Chitauri helmet illness without Fitz.) Mace: ? Pan Dulce fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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If anyone's coming out as an LMD, it's Mace. The LMD's powerset are exactly what the public already thinks he can do. Plus it defines his place on the team. Coulson could be another option. He would make FANTASTIC use of having robot doubles on command. An LMD Ward(ReWard) joining the crew for a while could be interesting, but who knows.
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Mace makes the most sense. His body dies and they just load him into the LMD. He'd get the power he wants full time and probably would adjust to it well.
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Yeah Jemma was acting like there was some time limit in place too.
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Other than May, he's definitely been in there the longest. (Uh, depending on when Fitz was taken.)
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kater posted:Yeah Jemma was acting like there was some time limit in place too.
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Ensign_Ricky posted:Anyone got an over/under on Ward transferring himself out of the Framework and into an LMD? The new Quantum Leap. Pan Dulce posted:The interview had the Framework act as a "What If?" scenario for them. I think you & I are the only ones who read that article, since everyone else seems blissfully unaware of that.
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BrianWilly posted:Wait so the Framework really is just the Matrix (aka the Grid aka the Attic aka)? In the sense that everyone in there is living in the exact same digital world? Darkhold I ain't gotta explain poo poo
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Codependent Poster posted:I want Ward back full time because Dalton deserves better than starring in bad Christian films.
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