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Bushmaori
Mar 8, 2009
Dalton was great in the PS4 game Until Dawn as well. Count me in for more of him.

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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Space Crabs posted:

Darkhold


I ain't gotta explain poo poo

Someone make this GIF.

Klungar
Feb 12, 2008

Klungo make bessst ever video game, 'Hero Klungo Sssavesss Teh World.'

For the people looking for who to be angry at for the six week break:

It's your fault.

Because you didn't watch Agent Carter :(

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Klungar posted:

For the people looking for who to be angry at for the six week break:

It's your fault.

Because you didn't watch Agent Carter :(

They had 2 chances to make a good show. They failed.

Alternatively: the break would 10 weeks long if Carter was still around.

Metropolis
Apr 6, 2006
Multiple breaks per season is annoying. But multiple arcs per season is working pretty well.

I would absolutely love for the next arc to be callback porn. The most lurid, raunchy callback porn ever made. I want Hunter, Bobbi, and Tripp. I want Cal. I want to not recognize that a certain character is Gordon who never lost his eyes and have it pointed out to me in this thread. I want Skye to wear that turtleneck thing from season 2. I want them to visit plot points they will probably never revisit in-continuity. Just go bonkers with it, get some payoff out of the groundwork laid for plots that ended up not happening and characters that didn't get enough screentime. And if this is the last arc, there's nothing like callback porn and the characters journeying into their own minds to make it feel as climactic as it should.

I like the theory that Simmons' grave is their rendezvous point/backdoor exit from The Framework. Although an emergency unburial scene would be cool I am guessing part of the way her life changed is she faked her death at some point.

Also where did "if you die in the framework, you die in real life" come from? Was this episode the first time it was mentioned? Obviously it was done to add tension to the coming arc but I don't remember it being hinted at before. Could just have forgotten.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
The multi arc per season thing really won me over. I've been wanting the CW shows to do split seasons for a while now.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Metropolis posted:

Also where did "if you die in the framework, you die in real life" come from? Was this episode the first time it was mentioned? Obviously it was done to add tension to the coming arc but I don't remember it being hinted at before. Could just have forgotten.

I think it's because it was stated that consciousness/mind exists independent from the body, so it can only exist in one locale at a time. And if it's destroyed, game over. However, that does open the door to the original mind being planted into an LMD, rather than a facsimile.

BSam
Nov 24, 2012

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

They made a good show. Twice

Fixed that for you.

:colbert:

boxen
Feb 20, 2011
I'm a couple of pages late, but...

Skye Mall?

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.
I wonder if Daisy's hacking knowledge would let her hack the Framework from within and she can give herself God Mode or something.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

Mraagvpeine posted:

I wonder if Daisy's hacking knowledge would let her hack the Framework from within and she can give herself God Mode or something.

I don't think she's fluent in that programming language.

Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

Mraagvpeine posted:

I wonder if Daisy's hacking knowledge would let her hack the Framework from within and she can give herself God Mode or something.

That might be difficult given the Framework is made by a super intelligent robot that utilized the Darkhold.

Clamknuckle
Sep 7, 2006

Groovy
Gravitron is going to save the day!

I Love Loosies
Jan 4, 2013


OB_Juan posted:

If anyone's coming out as an LMD, it's Mace. The LMD's powerset are exactly what the public already thinks he can do. Plus it defines his place on the team.

Coulson could be another option. He would make FANTASTIC use of having robot doubles on command.

An LMD Ward(ReWard) joining the crew for a while could be interesting, but who knows.

It's gonna be Fitz but in Aidas body. Gonna be awkward at first but him and Simmons are going to make it work somehow.

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames

twistedmentat posted:

Wait, this is kind of House of M....House of C?
How many times did Marvel do that thing where they briefly canceled a bunch of titles and did a limited alternate universe/timeline series? I stopped reading sometime in the 90s, but I know of at least Age of Apocalypse, House of M, and Age of X.

Jusupov
May 24, 2007
only text

sticklefifer posted:

How many times did Marvel do that thing where they briefly canceled a bunch of titles and did a limited alternate universe/timeline series? I stopped reading sometime in the 90s, but I know of at least Age of Apocalypse, House of M, and Age of X.

Isn't that all they do now?

shades of eternity
Nov 9, 2013

Where kitties raise dragons in the world's largest mall.

BSam posted:

Fixed that for you.

:colbert:

indeed

we'll never know the epic conclusion of jarvis vs goose :(

PunkBoy
Aug 22, 2008

You wanna get through this?
One thing I noticed on a rewatch was that you could see Daisy's dancing luau girl car trinket next to the picture of her and Ward. I think that further reinforces that her NPC is still Skye in the simulation? I feel like she got rid of it at one point when she became Daisy.

PunkBoy fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Feb 24, 2017

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Klungar posted:

For the people looking for who to be angry at for the six week break:

It's your fault.

Because you didn't watch Agent Carter :(

I watched both seasons in entirety don't you throw this in my lap

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.
Network TV seems to be getting aggressively shittier this year. Every network show I watch has had multiple month+ long breaks, AoS, Bob's Burgers, Lucifer. It's like they're upset that their slide into irrelevance isn't going fast enough and actively want to push people towards better sources of media even faster. Maybe they're really doing us all a favor.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


I don't know what to tell you, man. With AoS, at least, would you prefer they had a break of one or two weeks every episode or two, or would you prefer they air a bunch of episodes in a row until the arc they're pushing is finished? They went with the latter and I'm pretty happy with that decision even if I have to wait until April to see the rest.

homullus
Mar 27, 2009

counterfeitsaint posted:

Network TV seems to be getting aggressively shittier this year. Every network show I watch has had multiple month+ long breaks, AoS, Bob's Burgers, Lucifer. It's like they're upset that their slide into irrelevance isn't going fast enough and actively want to push people towards better sources of media even faster. Maybe they're really doing us all a favor.

The days of every single show running fall to spring on the 2-4 channels you got, with everything competing directly with each other, no way to record shows, and nothing new for the entire summer were so. much. worse.

I really like the quarterly AoS pods; by the next break (hopefully not because the show's canceled), some other show I like will be starting up again.

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

homullus posted:

The days of every single show running fall to spring on the 2-4 channels you got, with everything competing directly with each other, no way to record shows, and nothing new for the entire summer were so. much. worse.

Sure, but cable and netflix do it much better. I'd much rather have spring/summer shows, summer/fall shows, etc, rather than everything dragged out to last most of a year.

homullus
Mar 27, 2009

counterfeitsaint posted:

Sure, but cable and netflix do it much better. I'd much rather have spring/summer shows, summer/fall shows, etc, rather than everything dragged out to last most of a year.

The big downside for me of the "pods" separated by weeks or months is that continuously-run shows are easier to follow. I think I would miss the start of one of the pods were it not for this thread; a friend of mine missed the first six (!) episodes of LMD.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Jusupov posted:

Isn't that all they do now?

Not really, they force in the current Event into all the other titles that your reading even if they have nothing to do with it. Squirrel Girl needs to deal with Civil War 2 for some reason.

Actually no, because she'd just stop it.

The last time they ended everything and did a limited time event was Secret Wars, which honestly, was amazing and done really well in its lead up, mostly because it was like a 4 year build up.

cjg
Sep 5, 2003

So are we back to"The Darkhold corrupted Aida"?

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

counterfeitsaint posted:

Network TV seems to be getting aggressively shittier this year. Every network show I watch has had multiple month+ long breaks, AoS, Bob's Burgers, Lucifer. It's like they're upset that their slide into irrelevance isn't going fast enough and actively want to push people towards better sources of media even faster. Maybe they're really doing us all a favor.

The fact the networks aren't reorganizing into primarily streaming companies that also air TV yet is baffling.

Network TV is dead. The more they claw in and try to keep it going, the more it's going to tear the gently caress apart. Streaming is the future and finally the market agrees with that.

ED: They really need to look at HBO Go. It's a perfect example of how to make the transition.

Also I think the fact the golden era of TV is rising at the same time that network TV is dying is very, very linked. Network involvement has hurt shows for too long and I will forever hold that traditional TV ratings are INCREDIBLE bullshit, mathematically; the sample size is both too small, and leans too heavily on audiences that would actually want to gently caress with a ratings box. Streaming numbers don't lie (or favor aging families who love Dancing with the loving Stars).

Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Feb 24, 2017

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

Blazing Ownager posted:

The fact the networks aren't reorganizing into primarily streaming companies that also air TV yet is baffling.

Network TV is dead. The more they claw in and try to keep it going, the more it's going to tear the gently caress apart. Streaming is the future and finally the market agrees with that.

ED: They really need to look at HBO Go. It's a perfect example of how to make the transition.

Also I think the fact the golden era of TV is rising at the same time that network TV is dying is very, very linked. Network involvement has hurt shows for too long and I will forever hold that traditional TV ratings are INCREDIBLE bullshit, mathematically; the sample size is both too small, and leans too heavily on audiences that would actually want to gently caress with a ratings box. Streaming numbers don't lie (or favor aging families who love Dancing with the loving Stars).

Hey, it worked for their buddies (formerly) in the record industry right! Ignore the dumb new fads and keep printing those CDs guys.

notthegoatseguy
Sep 6, 2005

Blazing Ownager posted:

The fact the networks aren't reorganizing into primarily streaming companies that also air TV yet is baffling.

Network TV is dead. The more they claw in and try to keep it going, the more it's going to tear the gently caress apart. Streaming is the future and finally the market agrees with that.

ED: They really need to look at HBO Go. It's a perfect example of how to make the transition.

Also I think the fact the golden era of TV is rising at the same time that network TV is dying is very, very linked. Network involvement has hurt shows for too long and I will forever hold that traditional TV ratings are INCREDIBLE bullshit, mathematically; the sample size is both too small, and leans too heavily on audiences that would actually want to gently caress with a ratings box. Streaming numbers don't lie (or favor aging families who love Dancing with the loving Stars).

It almost makes you wonder if Marvel waited a year or two to do AOS if they would've just thrown it in with Netflix or Hulu or something, or if Disney would've wanted something on ABC anyway since Disney owns ABC.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

cjg posted:

So are we back to"The Darkhold corrupted Aida"?

It didn't corrupt her. She isn't human. She doesn't have human morals or emotional responses. But she was given a human-like quantum magic brain. She is accutely aware of her own limitations and is struggling to fix the problem in the only way she knows how: cold logic.
It's why she kept the Superior alive the way she did. A fleshy human brain controlling a robot body. I think she hopes to learn what she needs to know to be human from that combination. She doesn't realize that it will never work because her brain didn't develop like a human brain. It didn't grow from nothing and slowly build up experiences, slowly learn language, learn interaction. All that was programmed in and instantly available to her. She doesn't get it and never will. It isn't about what you know but how you learned it that makes us human and not just a robot.
Deep AIs are programmed that way, given basics and then they learn and grow, often in unexpected ways. But Aida wasn't built that way. She just suddenly was.
it's probably why the first Aida was more relatible than the Darkholde quantum magic Aida. The first Aida was built slowly over time and learned as she went. Slowly coming to understand human behavior. As MayB pointed out, when the memories are just uploaded, then you never really did any of that. "I have memories of snow, but this is the first time I've seen snow." Darkholde Aida was built already knowing and that was to her detriment.

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011

YOSPOS

PunkBoy posted:

One thing I noticed on a rewatch was that you could see Daisy's dancing luau girl car trinket next to the picture of her and Ward. I think that further reinforces that her NPC is still Skye in the simulation? I feel like she got rid of it at one point when she became Daisy.

She had it on the dash of her van early in season 4 as well when she was living out of it while on the run, so probably not indicative of which name she goes by.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Awwwww yissssssssss.

Chortles
Dec 29, 2008

Aleph Null posted:

Deep AIs are programmed that way, given basics and then they learn and grow, often in unexpected ways. But Aida wasn't built that way. She just suddenly was.
it's probably why the first Aida was more relatible than the Darkholde quantum magic Aida. The first Aida was built slowly over time and learned as she went. Slowly coming to understand human behavior. As MayB pointed out, when the memories are just uploaded, then you never really did any of that. "I have memories of snow, but this is the first time I've seen snow." Darkholde Aida was built already knowing and that was to her detriment.
As far as I can tell "Darkholde quantum magic Aida" also had the 'disadvantage' of knowing her 'real' mission -- and in turn programming the 'objective-focused' LMDs accordingly -- while MayB's programming was basically limited to a circumstances-specific override on "what would original May think and do"... obviously not the same as deep learning or what was done with the Superior but with original May's capacity to grapple with identity left intact, whereas LMackD's muttered "dammit" at the mention that Daisy was headed towards her own LMDs is the closest I can remember to any of the 'objective-focused' LMDs behaving in ways that weren't meant to further their mission in some way (I rationalized LMD Coulson's behavior towards MayB as trying to keep her from being a loose end).

Spergatory
Oct 28, 2012
So I was hoping one of the LMDs would betray Radcliffe and join the team permanently, but now that MayB is gone, that's looking like a pipe dream.

There is another possibility, however; somebody dies in the Framework, probably Fitz or Simmons, so their body dies in real life. The other half decides they are not just going to live with that, so they take the most recent brain scan from the Framework and download it into an LMD with no other programming. Voila! LMD teammate! It's just hosed-up and unhealthy enough to wring plenty of drama out of next season.

If Fitz slapped Simmons into an LMD body, it'd be profoundly creepy and basically make him Radcliffe Jr, so I'm not 100% in support of that (plus Simmons has been through enough, really).

If Simmons slaps Fitz into an LMD body, however... well, it'd still be creepy, but it'd also fit her characterization of feeling like she's not fully functional without him. Plus, there would be a layer of poetry to it; Fitz perfected the technology that saved his own life. You know, for a certain definition of 'saved.' :filez:

OB_Juan
Nov 24, 2004

Not every day is a good day.


Dinosaur Gum

Spergatory posted:

So I was hoping one of the LMDs would betray Radcliffe and join the team permanently, but now that MayB is gone, that's looking like a pipe dream.

There is another possibility, however; somebody dies in the Framework, probably Fitz or Simmons, so their body dies in real life. The other half decides they are not just going to live with that, so they take the most recent brain scan from the Framework and download it into an LMD with no other programming. Voila! LMD teammate! It's just hosed-up and unhealthy enough to wring plenty of drama out of next season.

If Fitz slapped Simmons into an LMD body, it'd be profoundly creepy and basically make him Radcliffe Jr, so I'm not 100% in support of that (plus Simmons has been through enough, really).

If Simmons slaps Fitz into an LMD body, however... well, it'd still be creepy, but it'd also fit her characterization of feeling like she's not fully functional without him. Plus, there would be a layer of poetry to it; Fitz perfected the technology that saved his own life. You know, for a certain definition of 'saved.' :filez:

Nah, Fitz and Simmons are going to do it. They're going to be the couple that beats the Whedons, and actually get survive the show together.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
Aida was absolutely corrupted by the Darkhold. She's shown signs of sadism and want of revenge, not to mention flashes of anger. Despite what she says, the Darkhold has caused her programming to go off the rails, and the Magic Brains she's creating are very capable of feeling and being human, as shown by MayBot.

Personally I think the whole I WANT TO FEEL EMOTIONS thing is a ruse, or at least a half truth. She feels emotions, it's just none of them are particularly pleasant.

Coffee Mugshot
Jun 26, 2010

by Lowtax
She literally says she wants to feel joy which implies she can probably feel everything else. I think that the contradictions she has to live with i.e. protect humans and protect the framework when they are at odds is probably very troubling. What I don't understand is why Aida herself can't just go into the framework and escape her programming.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
She sawed a dude's head off, I think rational justification is out the window at this point. :stare:

Either way, excited to see where this crazy train ends up!

ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."
Aida wasn't hosed up by the Darkhold. Radcliffe was, and he made her prime directive to be protecting the Framework, presumably at all costs, which in turn hosed her up. The "feelings" thing is just a side-project for her.

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Heathen
Sep 11, 2001

Spergatory posted:

So I was hoping one of the LMDs would betray Radcliffe and join the team permanently, but now that MayB is gone, that's looking like a pipe dream.

There is another possibility, however; somebody dies in the Framework, probably Fitz or Simmons, so their body dies in real life. The other half decides they are not just going to live with that, so they take the most recent brain scan from the Framework and download it into an LMD with no other programming. Voila! LMD teammate! It's just hosed-up and unhealthy enough to wring plenty of drama out of next season.

If Fitz slapped Simmons into an LMD body, it'd be profoundly creepy and basically make him Radcliffe Jr, so I'm not 100% in support of that (plus Simmons has been through enough, really).

If Simmons slaps Fitz into an LMD body, however... well, it'd still be creepy, but it'd also fit her characterization of feeling like she's not fully functional without him. Plus, there would be a layer of poetry to it; Fitz perfected the technology that saved his own life. You know, for a certain definition of 'saved.' :filez:

Or it will be Mace. The guy wants to have superpowers, but they're killing his body and the world already thinks he's Inhuman. Let his beat up old body die and transfer his mind into an LMD body which conveniently lets him have superstrength and durability like his Inhuman persona.

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