|
Harrow posted:If I had to guess, there's no in-game reason given at all and the reason is therefore just "anime." I haven't played it yet, though, so maybe there is. if it has to exist that's actually the best possible reason tbh because if you try to justify why a future combat robot is wearing a thong you wind up with dumbass quiet -> metal gear solid 5 explanations also acceptable in place of "anime" is "horny" they're basically interchangeable Cowcaster fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Feb 24, 2017 |
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:18
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 8, 2024 13:39 |
|
exquisite tea posted:The way to move the conversation forward is to acknowledge games that handle sexuality and relationships maturely and call out the creepy stuff. Everybody agrees with this in the abstract but get uncomfortable when the games they like exhibit some distasteful tendencies themselves. I am 300% willing to call out a game I like on this stuff, and I think others should be too. Not everyone's going to 100% agree on what is creepy and what is a tasteful handling of sexuality, but people can get horribly defensive about it, and that's not healthy. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Feb 24, 2017 |
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:18
|
|
|
its all fine if things were more balanced, but there aint enough games with either not-tittilation or reverse-tittilation yet, i mean it's better now but in the AAA world not much has changed indie world it's all good AAA world still believes only dudes play games and would respond to "women make up huge % of AAA gaming" with "FAKE NEWS!!! THEY ONLY PLAY CANDY CRUSH" what i'm saying is. indie games buy indie games and play them, indie games
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:18
|
|
|
I would if there were any I enjoyed playing
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:20
|
|
|
exquisite tea posted:It's worth mentioning that the same-sex relationship at the heart of Life is Strange almost didn't happen. Dontnod pitched the project to several publishers and Square-Enix was the only one who didn't want them to switch Max's gender. And do you think it would have happened at all if Life is Strange wasn't being developed in the socially progressing age we're in now? My point is that the detractors won't go away if it continues to be an us v them kind of thing, and despite that progress is still being made, but making it an us v them kind of thing is hard to remove from society so it's not worth worrying about.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:20
|
|
|
tap my mountain posted:I'm really curious what the ingame reasoning for her outfit is, considering how the only people on the planet are other robots. Are the humans on the moon who designed her supposed to be a stand in for the skeevy audience? "I designed a character to be super sexy and make my penis happy but she's a robot and sexless so it's okay, not creepy" -Taro Yoko Sex sells. Games as an industry and a market is dominated by males. It's just the same pin-up body type from every other game with some shreds of clothing to give cosplayers another half-naked hero to dress as. I'm reminded of the Bayonetta 2 story where Platinum sent their proposed Peach and Daisy costumes to Nintendo for approval and Nintendo sent them back asking if they could be made more sexy.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:21
|
|
|
CJacobs posted:And do you think it would have happened at all if Life is Strange wasn't being developed in the socially progressing age we're in now? My point is that the detractors won't go away if it continues to be an us v them kind of thing, and despite that progress is still being made, but making it an us v them kind of thing is hard to remove from society so it's not worth worrying about. I don't know the point you're trying to make, actually. Is it "people are getting more progressive anyway, therefore there's no real need for us to acknowledge when sexuality in video games is done well / poorly"?
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:22
|
|
Quest For Glory II posted:what i'm saying is. indie games buy indie games and play them, indie games Some indie games make Waifu Bomberman look tasteful, but yeah, support devs who make good use of emotions and sexuality in games.
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:22
|
|
|
exquisite tea posted:I don't know the point you're trying to make, actually. Is it "people are getting more progressive anyway, therefore there's no need to acknowledge with sexuality in video games is done well / poorly"? No, it's "there's no reason to get worked up over people thinking poorly of that happening because they're going to become the minority whether they yell about it or not". Which is already happening today, right now, as we speak.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:23
|
|
CJacobs posted:No, it's "there's no reason to get worked up over people thinking poorly of that happening because they're going to become the minority whether they yell about it or not". Which is already happening today, right now, as we speak. Hmmm I'm not sure you've paid attention to cultural shifts in the US in the past 18 months.
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:24
|
|
|
Lurdiak posted:Hmmm I'm not sure you've paid attention to cultural shifts in the US in the past 18 months. I'm talking about video games, actually edit: I suppose I should have said "it's going to happen whether they yell about it or not". Whether they become the minority or not is hard to tell at a glance. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Feb 24, 2017 |
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:25
|
|
|
CJacobs posted:No, it's "there's no reason to get worked up over people thinking poorly of that happening because they're going to become the minority whether they yell about it or not". Which is already happening today, right now, as we speak. But the very example you gave of a positive, progressive relationship in Life is Strange almost did not happen in 2015 because of publisher prejudices over what would sell. This shouldn't be an indication that everything is just hunky-dory, but that mature depictions of sexuality + relationships in games are actually quite fragile and even now it's an uphill battle for developers to tell the kinds of stories they'd like to tell.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:27
|
|
|
Many video games are made in the US.
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:27
|
|
|
LawfulWaffle posted:"I designed a character to be super sexy and make my penis happy but she's a robot and sexless so it's okay, not creepy" Oh yeah I know full well why she is a sexy maid, I'm just curious what his in universe reason is, since they are sexualized in an explicitly sexless world.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:28
|
|
|
Phantasium posted:You are now reminded of Xcom's snake titties  "Eh"
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:28
|
|
|
Quest For Glory II posted:its all fine if things were more balanced, but there aint enough games with either not-tittilation or reverse-tittilation yet, i mean it's better now but in the AAA world not much has changed Indie games own and all but they have their own set of problems and cliches these days. Rest assured that every game maker aside from possibly crazy people like SUDA51 follows the philosophy "If it worked once, put it in every game until it stops working, and probably for another 10 years after". But in general I do agree, like I've played This War of Mine over 100 hours on PC and PS4 combined.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:29
|
|
|
tap my mountain posted:Oh yeah I know full well why she is a sexy maid, I'm just curious what his in universe reason is, since they are sexualized in an explicitly sexless world. nanomachines
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:29
|
|
|
I really appreciated the fact that despite Geralt loving just about every sorceress in the game, the camera sexualizes him more than anyone else.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:29
|
|
|
exquisite tea posted:But the very example you gave of a positive, progressive relationship in Life is Strange almost did not happen in 2015 because of publisher prejudices over what would sell. This shouldn't be an indication that everything is just hunky-dory, but that mature depictions of sexuality + relationships in games are actually quite fragile and even now it's an uphill battle for developers to tell the kinds of stories they'd like to tell. But it did happen today where it absolutely would not have before, and that's the important part. Yes, it was an uphill battle because we're in the transitory period right now. The goal is that with enough games like it proving that their ilk does still sell, it won't be an uphill battle anymore. That's not me saying I hope that's what will happen, Life is Strange is living proof that it is happening. I didn't say change was happening fast. edit: And expecting it to happen fast is just gonna give you hemorrhoids imo
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:30
|
|
|
CJacobs posted:But it did happen today where it absolutely would not have before, and that's the important part. Yes, it was an uphill battle because we're in the transitory period right now. The goal is that with enough games like it proving that their ilk does still sell, it won't be an uphill battle anymore. That's not me saying I hope that's what will happen, Life is Strange is living proof that it is happening. I didn't say change was happening fast. There is no invisible guiding hand toward progressivism. Society's values are fragile, malleable and always subject to shift in the opposite direction, and battles are won in the court of public opinion and discussion. The cumulative effect of many people saying "this is creepy + racist + misogynistic + whatever" can and does alter the decisions of game developers over time, but expecting they'd just come to the same conclusion on their own is wishful thinking at best. Such conversations need to happen, uncomfortable as though they might be.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:38
|
|
|
i ruined the chat thread
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:40
|
|
|
Boy, I was looking through my PS4 screenshots (both taken by me and ones that the ps4 takes along throphies) to delete most and make room and I realized that holy hell, games this gen look incredible. Like I actually want to replay my entire library now just because of how good they look, I just kind of feel like sticking the camera into every texture and closely watch every animation to marvel how god drat far we've come in video game graphics. Even very lackluster games still manage to look crazy detailed and immersive in a random still shot. Like loving Killzone SF. That game's bad but dude just look at it I want to invent a time machine to show this poo poo to people 20 years in the past. You think your Resident Evil looks impressive? Well check out how RE7 looks, motherfucker! and then they'd die from sheer amazement
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:42
|
|
|
exquisite tea posted:There is no invisible guiding hand toward progressivism. Society's values are fragile, malleable and always subject to shift in the opposite direction, and battles are won in the court of public opinion and discussion. The cumulative effect of many people saying "this is creepy + racist + misogynistic + whatever" can and does alter the decisions of game developers over time, but expecting they'd just come to the same conclusion on their own is wishful thinking at best. Such conversations need to happen, uncomfortable as though they might be. I'm not saying they shouldn't. All I said was that holding it against someone for being uncomfortable isn't gonna get anyone anywhere. That's why I said it was understandable that sexuality in games makes Regy Rusty uncomfortable even though I disagree with his reasoning, because it is.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:42
|
|
|
Cowcaster posted:i ruined the chat thread Hey, don't take all my credit. I did my part to ruin it, too 
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:43
|
|
|
i wish there was an easy way to pull screenshots/videos off the ps4
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:43
|
|
|
oddium posted:i wish there was an easy way to pull screenshots/videos off the ps4 Before I got my capture card I just had a fake facebook account I sent them to. They show up there as jpg's but hey whatever it's easy.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:44
|
|
|
oddium posted:i wish there was an easy way to pull screenshots/videos off the ps4 Put a thumb drive in it
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:48
|
|
|
smuh posted:Boy, I was looking through my PS4 screenshots (both taken by me and ones that the ps4 takes along throphies) to delete most and make room and I realized that holy hell, games this gen look incredible. Like I actually want to replay my entire library now just because of how good they look, I just kind of feel like sticking the camera into every texture and closely watch every animation to marvel how god drat far we've come in video game graphics. Even very lackluster games still manage to look crazy detailed and immersive in a random still shot. Like loving Killzone SF. That game's bad but dude just look at it I think about this too sometimes. Like, take a copy of the upcoming Mario or Zelda titles and step back to 1989 and show your younger self. Part of me thinks that it would be too advanced to the point where the viewer can't even understand what they are watching. Like stories of Aztecs not being able to see the Spanish boats on the water until they were practically landed because they had no frame of reference for what was approaching. I'll turn on Breath of the Wild and YoungWaffle's mind would censor all the graphics and gameplay because nothing anywhere comes close to that.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:49
|
|
|
Real hurthling! posted:Put a thumb drive in it okay grandpa. we use the cloud now
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:50
|
|
|
Cowcaster posted:i ruined the chat thread Nah this just normal
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:53
|
|
|
It isn't bad that some people had a brief and civil discussion.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:55
|
|
|
oddium posted:okay grandpa. we use the cloud now respect your elders or i'll vote trump back in!
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:57
|
|
|
Wendell posted:It isn't bad that some people had a brief and civil discussion. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 21:57
|
|
|
I guess I'm kinda broken because this stuff doesn't faze me anymore. I remember seeing Cindy in FFXV and going "man, they made the sex appeal character and they didn't give her jiggle titties, how progressive"
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 22:02
|
|
|
I like Bastard Bonds and it is very homosexual
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 22:08
|
|
|
There's been some good posts in this thread. Im glad we had this discussion.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 22:11
|
|
|
oddium posted:i wish there was an easy way to pull screenshots/videos off the ps4 Push button, send to twitter or youtube? Where are you going to send them that one of those won't work anyway
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 22:11
|
|
|
I don't know what happened but a while ago my PS4 stopped being able to upload stuff to Youtube. And it's weird because this happened before I upgraded to a Pro, and it STILL doesn't work after upgrading. I just get stuck in a loop of logging into to google and then it resetting and saying I need to login again.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 22:13
|
|
|
fridge corn posted:There's been some good posts in this thread. Im glad we had this discussion.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 22:16
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 8, 2024 13:39 |
|
|
Phantasium posted:I guess I'm kinda broken because this stuff doesn't faze me anymore. Hell I'm fairly sure even Aranea, a character with a full body armor of sorts has the steel give away under the weight of breasts as if it were a plain shirt. I wonder if video games have finally broken me with me actually noticing this poo poo with regularity.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2017 22:16
|
|