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Wise Learned Man
Apr 22, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lipstick Apathy

A shitizen actually admitting to being unstable and irrationally angry? I never thought I'd see that.

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Space Crabs
Mar 10, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
I'm not sure how backers are keeping this particular dreamship floating actually.

2.5 was supposed to have improvements in it.

Except they released 2.5 and pushed the improvements to 2.5.x

Except they just halved the ship speed and called 2.5.x, 2.6 without the improvements that were supposed to be in 2.5.

Now they have released 2.6.1, and have pushed the improvements that were originally supposed to be 2.5 into 2.6.2

The backers shouldn't be slapfighting over the "schedule" that gives them a release date on 2.6.2, it should be that the stupid assholes have paid $20,000,000 to wait six months for what was supposed to be in 2.5, except they are so close to the situation they apparently can't realize the PU is a static moneygrab and CIG is burning whole stacks of cash doing something else (motion capture)

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Wise Learned Man posted:

A shitizen actually admitting to being unstable and irrationally angry? I never thought I'd see that.

I feel sorry for his family, trying times ahead. :smith:

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

TrustmeImLegit
Jan 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Kinda got lost in the chaff of anger but the 2.6.2 schedule got axed for today.

quote:

Basically production has to cull all the relevant data, go through IC reports, see what worked, what didn't, what still needs fixing, make priorities, then examine progress on intended features, put that all into some production calculus that's way over my head, and then spit out a schedule. Some patches take longer than others, so I don't know when the first version of the 2.6.2 schedule will be ready, but I don't think it's gonna be tonight.
-Disco at 11pm the day it was supposed to come out.

Translation: No one has any loving clue what we are going to be doing as soon as a week from now cuz its all FUBAR. And gently caress you if we're going to tell you its not coming out during the first few hours of a ship sale.

TrustmeImLegit fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Feb 25, 2017

Sabreseven
Feb 27, 2016


@silentruin; Cool, update the blog commando. :thumbsup:

Do the people who write stuff like that all drink tainted water?

It's like they just feel the need to write down every single little thought that goes through their head in whatever random fashion that they fancy, it's like a live journal of stupid.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Seraph84 lives on.

radd
Jun 16, 2001

Super Spacefortress

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Hellion literally does everything with components, ship systems, and EVA that SC promised to do.

So - what is to stop CIG offering say $10m to the Hellion guys, release it as Star Citizen and say that is the MVP, job done, and Chris can spend the rest of the money for mocapping scenes that will pad out some Hellion scripted missions and call it Squadron 42?

The backers will never know.

ripptide
Jul 28, 2016

MeLKoR posted:

He must not be a very active critic considering I don't think I ever saw anything he wrote quoted and I've been reading these threads going on 2 years. I don't get the Shitizen obsession with him.

Your only mistake was trying to find logic in a Shitizen quest for the truth. Understandable, but silly.

Hobold
Jan 10, 2012


I love my Cutlass
I love big stompy mechs
I love my HOTAS
I love to salvage wrecks
I love Star Citizen, and all it's craziness
GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA, GOONDEYADA
College Slice

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Seraph84 lives on.

Wow, thats a flashback.

ripptide
Jul 28, 2016

radd posted:

So - what is to stop CIG offering say $10m to the Hellion guys, release it as Star Citizen and say that is the MVP, job done, and Chris can spend the rest of the money for mocapping scenes that will pad out some Hellion scripted missions and call it Squadron 42?

The backers will never know.

The give-away would be when you download the update, and the game actually works....even the faithful wouldn't buy that.

HycoCam
Jul 14, 2016

You should have backed Transverse!

radd posted:

So - what is to stop CIG offering say $10m to the Hellion guys, release it as Star Citizen and say that is the MVP, job done, and Chris can spend the rest of the money for mocapping scenes that will pad out some Hellion scripted missions and call it Squadron 42?

The backers will never know.

Ohhh! Ohh! I know the answer to this! $10million dollars is what's stopping them. Like CIG still has $10M in the bank! hahahaha...

Sillybones
Aug 10, 2013

go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away

D1E posted:

LOL. Came back to browse the thread out of curiosity after like two months and nothing has changed at all.

Someone brought up the good ol' days, specifically. You have to ignore this particular instance.



Scroll back 10 pages for some FRESH things-never-change from DS.

Sillybones
Aug 10, 2013

go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away
gently caress Trumps America; moving to Stimsis.

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen

radd posted:

So - what is to stop CIG offering say $10m to the Hellion guys, release it as Star Citizen and say that is the MVP, job done, and Chris can spend the rest of the money for mocapping scenes that will pad out some Hellion scripted missions and call it Squadron 42?

The backers will never know.

I was just commenting on this to my wife. How embarrassing is it for Chris that this direct competitor was green lighted like 9 months ago and already has a mechanically fleshed out alpha with full newtonian physics, FPS point of view, and multiplayer? Not to mention functioning ship systems. 9 months is less than the time between incremental patch updates for Star Citizen. And on like 1% of their budget, as well. I mean, forget Elite- this kind of thing coming out of indie studios reveals the complete balls-up he's made of Star Citizen. Like if he'd just thrown everything out and given a team like this a couple million and done nothing else, back around Gamescom-time last year, he could now have a playable game prototype and Citizens would be vomiting money at him again. But that would require abandoning his vision quest and possibly admitting that he's not very good with a budget, or game design, or management.

HycoCam
Jul 14, 2016

You should have backed Transverse!

Sarsapariller posted:

I was just commenting on this to my wife. How embarrassing is it for Chris that this direct competitor was green lighted like 9 months ago and already has a mechanically fleshed out alpha with full newtonian physics, FPS point of view, and multiplayer? Not to mention functioning ship systems. 9 months is less than the time between incremental patch updates for Star Citizen. And on like 1% of their budget, as well. I mean, forget Elite- this kind of thing coming out of indie studios reveals the complete balls-up he's made of Star Citizen. Like if he'd just thrown everything out and given a team like this a couple million and done nothing else, back around Gamescom-time last year, he could now have a playable game prototype and Citizens would be vomiting money at him again. But that would require abandoning his vision quest and possibly admitting that he's not very good with a budget, or game design, or management.

Ummmm--those Hellion devs have been working their asses off. Chris and Sandi have been vacationing every where from Hawaii to the Mediterranean. One of those CEOs is doing it right....

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

Pelican Dunderhead posted:

this hole was meant for me

*clips halfway thru*

Space Crabs
Mar 10, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

HycoCam posted:

Ummmm--those Hellion devs have been working their asses off. Chris and Sandi have been vacationing every where from Hawaii to the Mediterranean. One of those CEOs is doing it right....

Wait, the hellion devs are the ones going to the Monaco Grand Prix, buying Limited Edition Porsche, going to Italy multiple times, going to Hawaii multiple times, Flying international first class on a weekly basis, shooting movie footage for a 1,300 page script for two years at the Imaginarium, showing off thousand dollar handbags and thousand dollar shirts, watches that cost more than ten thousand dollars, decorating lavish offices with hundreds of thousands of dollars of designer gimmick furniture like four figure cafeteria chairs and five figure doors and coffee machines all while not delivering a game?

Because if CIG were doing something like that the sad, delusional idiots that keep giving them money would obviously have stopped a long time ago.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

King of Scheduling
Pillbug

So what does that make me then? I only started following this whole trainwreck because the griefing thread linked to it and said Star Citizen was a really loving funny mess. I have never spent any money on Star Citizen and ultimately I'm going to laugh my rear end off if it collapses or if it comes out and goons grief the everloving poo poo out of it. I'd go on reddit and tell them this but, you know, don't touch the poop. I guess it's easier to see this in black and white terms of leavers vs loyal believers but the truth is a lot less straightforward.

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

radd posted:

So - what is to stop CIG offering say $10m to the Hellion guys, release it as Star Citizen and say that is the MVP, job done, and Chris can spend the rest of the money for mocapping scenes that will pad out some Hellion scripted missions and call it Squadron 42?

The backers will never know.

Until they can't get all their ships they paid for in it. And no Big Benny's machines.

Then the backers release Bunnyman and the Dork Knight.

And the blood starts flowing...

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

TrustmeImLegit posted:

Kinda got lost in the chaff of anger but the 2.6.2 schedule got axed for today.

-Disco at 11pm the day it was supposed to come out.

Translation: No one has any loving clue what we are going to be doing as soon as a week from now cuz its all FUBAR. And gently caress you if we're going to tell you its not coming out during the first few hours of a ship sale.

That's just weird, how long could it take him to make four bars named "CODE" and "NETCODE" or whatever

Michaellaneous
Oct 30, 2013

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

That's just weird, how long could it take him to make four bars named "CODE" and "NETCODE" or whatever

NETCODE
PIPELINE
SHIPS
ITEMS 2.0

Hire me CIG.

Exinos
Mar 1, 2009

OSHA approved squiq
https://gfycat.com/ClumsyBlindErne

Space Crabs
Mar 10, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
From some dude at that wretched hive of scum and villainy



And wow, the commandos are theorycrafting hard about the new ship. Who wouldn't? it is a beauty.

trucutru fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Feb 25, 2017

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
Chris Roberts: Star Sisyphus

HycoCam posted:

Ohhh! Ohh! I know the answer to this! $10million dollars is what's stopping them. Like CIG still has $10M in the bank! hahahaha...

Something about nostrils above water. But there are no problems. In fact, here's a chit you can buy to show your support of how problem-free this whole endeavour is.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004


If the developer of The Demon Rush can get a game onto the Playstation store, then I have full confidence that Derek can as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3vr4El4cmI

Michaellaneous
Oct 30, 2013

trucutru posted:

From some dude at that wretched hive of scum and villainy



And wow, the commandos are theorycrafting hard about the new ship. Who wouldn't? it is a beauty.

Subtle. I like it.

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

Space Crabs posted:

Wait, the hellion devs are the ones going to the Monaco Grand Prix, buying Limited Edition Porsche, going to Italy multiple times, going to Hawaii multiple times, Flying international first class on a weekly basis, shooting movie footage for a 1,300 page script for two years at the Imaginarium, showing off thousand dollar handbags and thousand dollar shirts, watches that cost more than ten thousand dollars, decorating lavish offices with hundreds of thousands of dollars of designer gimmick furniture like four figure cafeteria chairs and five figure doors and coffee machines all while not delivering a game?

Because if CIG were doing something like that the sad, delusional idiots that keep giving them money would obviously have stopped a long time ago.

This. All of it.

trucutru posted:

And wow, the commandos are theorycrafting hard about the new ship. Who wouldn't? it is a beauty.

My personal theory is that was designed by someone for water but they said gently caress it and put it in outer space


... r u ok commando? :ohdear:

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

trucutru posted:

From some dude at that wretched hive of scum and villainy



And wow, the commandos are theorycrafting hard about the new ship. Who wouldn't? it is a beauty.

Wait a minute, that's Darth Vader gently caress

That isn't real is it? Snopes????

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

Imagine how much space washing you can hang under those curved space wings so that it flutters in space wind.

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Does Hellion have body horror? I didn't think so.


e: speaking of which

MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Feb 25, 2017

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
One of the dumbest things about that ship is that, according to their brochure, that ugly piece of poo poo has 2 size-4 guns in the front, the same type the medium ships like the Constellation have. But it also has the equivalent of a size-7 (capital-sized) gun on the top, just for kicks, plus some more guns somewhere else yet only your regular fighter-sized power plant. So now they are not even pretending that there will be any order or logic to their subsystems and weapons or whatever.

Expect a space motorbike that is just a giant railgun with a commando on top soon.

Wise Learned Man
Apr 22, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lipstick Apathy

trucutru posted:

One of the dumbest things about that ship is that, according to their brochure, that ugly piece of poo poo has 2 size-4 guns in the front, the same type the medium ships like the Constellation have. But it also has the equivalent of a size-7 (capital-sized) gun on the top, just for kicks, plus some more guns somewhere else yet only your regular fighter-sized power plant. So now they are not even pretending that there will be any order or logic to their subsystems and weapons or whatever.

Expect a space motorbike that is just a giant railgun with a commando on top soon.

I think they've walked back the armament of every combat ship after it came off its initial sale. They need it to look strong on paper so people will shell out, then they nerf it in time for the next concept sale.

SatoshiNakamoto
Feb 25, 2017

by zen death robot

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5vtmsz/current_playability/de4rhd9/

It was year five of the Stimperial Empire Special Citizen's Calendar. Roberts sat in his study smoking a Cuban cigar and scratching his ballsack. The walls of the room were comprised entirely of authentic WW2 fighter plane wings, at a cost of just under seven hundred thousand dollars. He loaded Sim Celeb Porno 6 onto his Playstation 5 prototype, and equipped his Oculus Rift as he prepared to fap. Sandra, his secretwife, had been denying him sex since the fundraising numbers failed to meet burn rate goals for the past three months in a row.

A terrified Ben Lesnick had just finished reading the Chairman the backlogged backer feedback consensus report. He was covered in sweat and there was a dribble of urine seeping through his pantleg on the left side, just below the crotch. Chris grumbled to himself for a few moments, like a resentful child being told to do his chores under threat of allowance denial. Ben cleared his throat. "Uhh...They're.. they're saying the PU isn't fun, Mr. Roberts"

Finally, Chris spoke. "What do you mean it's not fun? This is bullshit, it's a goddamn sandbox! Chris ripped the Oculus Rift from his face and threw it to the floor. "Let them make their own drat fun!", he snapped bitterly as he resumed counting his one hundred and fifty million dollars.

SatoshiNakamoto fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Feb 25, 2017

Space Crabs
Mar 10, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Wise Learned Man posted:

I think they've walked back the armament of every combat ship after it came off its initial sale. They need it to look strong on paper so people will shell out, then they nerf it in time for the next concept sale.

LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

I'm playing space army men with my big gun ship! My autismada needs a heavy gun ship! Or two to escort the starfarer! Or four to escort two starfarers!

Maybe a couple more to guard the mining ships! and a couple more to lead flight wings guarding my $3000 javelin!!

*tearing money out of wallet while sobbing*

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

Wise Learned Man posted:

I think they've walked back the armament of every combat ship after it came off its initial sale. They need it to look strong on paper so people will shell out, then they nerf it in time for the next concept sale.

The ship on sale is always the best ship.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

AP posted:

The ship on sale is always the best ship.

Remember that they once sold a space airliner.

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

trucutru posted:

Remember that they once sold a space airliner.

It was just a Space Bus. Though only toxic dinks used that word.

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Soul Crashing Lag
Feb 27, 2016

quote:

The recent announcement of the discovery of the Trappist 1 system is exciting. The star, an M8 dwarf red star is right at the bottom end of the M class stars, so faint it is only just visible in the most powerful telescopes, and doesn’t feature in most star catalogues for this reason. Luckily, though, the system is almost exactly ‘edge on’ from our viewpoint – which means it is possible to ‘see’ the planets as they occlude the tiny star, and an incredible seven terrestrial planets have been spotted around the star by this technique, three of them in the ‘habitable zone’.

Even with Hubble, the fainter M class red stars are only just visible at 40 light years, which is why Trappist 1 is not in most of the star catalogues. Beyond this distance we can see ever fewer M class stars – particularly the fainter ones like this M8 – and it is where our procedural generation begins to kick in – supplementing the brighter, more visible stars.

The way Stellar Forge works is to use ‘available mass’ from which to generate systems – and because of this unaccounted mass, Stellar Forge has created a system with a Brown Dwarf in very nearly the same place – 39 light years away – this is only a little smaller than an M8 – and it even has seven terrestrial worlds around it – Core Sys Sector XU-P A5-0.

Interestingly the system that came out of Stellar Forge has a couple of moons, and a couple of co-orbiting binary pairs – these things would not (yet) be detected in the occlusion technique, as this is simply detecting the darkening of the stellar disc, but who knows, this might be possible.

Because of this we have tweaked Stellar Forge with the data from the recent discoveries so that the planets are now the same – and we have renamed it Trappist 1 – but the great thing is it is only a small tweak! We may still add a few moons back in, and this should go live in beta 2, and will of course be in 2.3 when it goes live to everyone.

David Braben


So DB's engine partly (mostly) predicted Trappist 1.
What did Croberts engine do?

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