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Redgrendel2001
Sep 1, 2006

you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

Dexo posted:

I don't give a gently caress if Shaq is a hall of famer lmao. You consistently insult the intelligence of someone to the point where you dedicate an entire part of your schtick to one player. And keep poking over years I completely get why a player would react.

Yup.

It wasn't just a roast. They tried to shame him and embarrass him repeatedly.

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Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌
Maybe Vale shouldn't have repeatedly done dumb rear end poo poo on the court then.

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Doltos posted:

We would if we could

True

CharlestheHammer posted:

Does public access count

Depends on the quality of the roast I suppose

roundmidnight
Jul 9, 2010
Using your national platform as an opportunity to continually pursue stupid grudges is also unprofessional as hell, even if the TNT guys are hired for their personalities/quirks.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Doltos posted:

Yeah like people in SAS never dogpile or insult someones intelligence you hypocrite

Oh I don't think you're an idiot I think you say wrong and dumb things(we all do). So I'll dogpile on you for poo poo like thinking Phil's comments about Bron weren't offensive as gently caress.

Also fundamental difference between doing it on an internet forum which is mostly anonymous and self contained. And insulting people's intelligence on a TV show in front of millions(and millions) every Thursday or whatever.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
LeBron and JaVale should unite their formidable empires to loving annihilate the TNT guys

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

Punkin Spunkin posted:

LeBron and JaVale should unite their formidable empires to loving annihilate the TNT guys
gently caress that I'd rather some team carry a spectacular grudge against ESPN.

chunkles
Aug 14, 2005

i am completely immersed in darkness
as i turn my body away from the sun

MOVIE MAJICK posted:

PJ Tucker played 28 minutes in he debut, got 10 pts and 10 rebounds, and looked like he would have killed a man for the basketball. I love this man. Ibaka was great in his debut as well. Both of them played as if they were on the team for the whole season already.

PJ Tucker is on my all-nba brawl team along with Patrick Beverley (team captain) and Metta World Peace

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

Metapod posted:

russ just had a 17 point 18 rebound 17 assist game but you want to hear a stat that will really blow your mind roberson outscored him with 19 points

Dre AND Abrines outscored him with 19 points. Abrines with the 19pts/2reb/0ast/0stl/0to/5PF stat line.

OKC has such a weird/interesting roster going forward. It's a great cast of OK starters and good rotational players but it seems really hard to see them doing much more than competing for the 5th or 4th seed at best.

Dutchy
Jul 8, 2010
I don't think there's anything wrong with making fun of Javale on TV but I also don't think there's anything wrong with Javale sticking up for himself. This being a morally neutral conflict, I'm siding with the uncrowned dunk king over the stupid rear end in a top hat.

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌

Dexo posted:

Oh I don't think you're an idiot I think you say wrong and dumb things(we all do). So I'll dogpile on you for poo poo like thinking Phil's comments about Bron weren't offensive as gently caress.

Also fundamental difference between doing it on an internet forum which is mostly anonymous and self contained. And insulting people's intelligence on a TV show in front of millions(and millions) every Thursday or whatever.

:allears:

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Dexo posted:

Oh I don't think you're an idiot I think you say wrong and dumb things(we all do). So I'll dogpile on you for poo poo like thinking Phil's comments about Bron weren't offensive as gently caress.

Also fundamental difference between doing it on an internet forum which is mostly anonymous and self contained. And insulting people's intelligence on a TV show in front of millions(and millions) every Thursday or whatever.

I still think the Posse stuff was Mildly Offensive at best and that was reaching. Nowhere near "As gently caress" level :colbert:

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

Dutchy posted:

I don't think there's anything wrong with making fun of Javale on TV but I also don't think there's anything wrong with Javale sticking up for himself. This being a morally neutral conflict, I'm siding with the uncrowned dunk king over the stupid rear end in a top hat.
Look my original point was basically that maybe you shouldn't call a really famous black guy a coon if you don't want him ragging on you.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Durant should've taken the opportunity to punch Stephen A Smith when he literally said "You don't want to make an enemy out of me." And ESPN is trash for letting Smith still work there after insinuating that Ray Rice's wife might have provoked him to hit her.

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

Tae posted:

Durant should've taken the opportunity to punch Stephen A Smith when he literally said "You don't want to make an enemy out of me." And ESPN is trash for letting Smith still work there after insinuating that Ray Rice's wife might have provoked him to hit her.
This just shows that Durant has always been shook

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

leftist heap posted:

Dre AND Abrines outscored him with 19 points. Abrines with the 19pts/2reb/0ast/0stl/0to/5PF stat line.

OKC has such a weird/interesting roster going forward. It's a great cast of OK starters and good rotational players but it seems really hard to see them doing much more than competing for the 5th or 4th seed at best.

Well yeah the 3 seed is pretty much out of reach for anyone under it

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy

Dejan Bimble posted:

This mild twitter beef between Javale and Shaq revealing that Andre Igoudala has made Javale Woke is the real story

You sure it was AI and not David West?

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

Kibner posted:

You sure it was AI and not David West?
We sure it wasn't Draymond Green?

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Tae posted:

Durant should've taken the opportunity to punch Stephen A Smith when he literally said "You don't want to make an enemy out of me." And ESPN is trash for letting Smith still work there after insinuating that Ray Rice's wife might have provoked him to hit her.

Hah so you're saying Stephen A. Smith should be punched by a pro athlete for the words he said, but also Stephen A Smith should be fired for suggesting that mere words are enough provocation to warrant a punching by a pro athlete?


I can't loving believe that Sixers fans allowed this

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

Crazy Ted posted:

gently caress that I'd rather some team carry a spectacular grudge against ESPN.
After the Cavaliers and Warriors collaborate to destroy them just replace Shaq with Kobe and Barkley with KG
I'd watch that
It'd be weird

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

Punkin Spunkin posted:

After the Cavaliers and Warriors collaborate to destroy them just replace Shaq with Kobe and Barkley with KG
I'd watch that
It'd be weird
Ernie/KG/Sheed/Chuck imo

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

EvanTH posted:

I still think the Posse stuff was Mildly Offensive at best and that was reaching. Nowhere near "As gently caress" level :colbert:

Nah when you compound that with the other poo poo Phil has said about LeBron and his friends/business partners throughout his career. I feel like you can put As gently caress on it.

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy

Crazy Ted posted:

We sure it wasn't Draymond Green?

Follow West on twitter. When he isn't retweeting stuff about kids from his AAU team, it's all social issues that affect primarily blacks in America. David is extremely well read on the subject and is just a much more cerebral guy than Draymond.

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Dexo posted:

Nah when you compound that with the other poo poo Phil has said about LeBron and his friends/business partners throughout his career. I feel like you can put As gently caress on it.

That's gonna skew the whole Offensiveness scale tho! If "posse" is "as gently caress" then where does G. Karl saying Melo would have been a good defender if his Dad hadn't died of cancer land? Where does it leave Donald Sterling's demented rantings? (btw I just googled him to see if he was still alive and he's 82 and worth $3.2 billion dollars god dammit)

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

Metapod posted:

Well yeah the 3 seed is pretty much out of reach for anyone under it

I meant in future seasons, not the current season.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

EvanTH posted:

That's gonna skew the whole Offensiveness scale tho! If "posse" is "as gently caress" then where does G. Karl saying Melo would have been a good defender if his Dad hadn't died of cancer land? Where does it leave Donald Sterling's demented rantings? (btw I just googled him to see if he was still alive and he's 82 and worth $3.2 billion dollars god dammit)


After offensive is full on 'ism(Race Sex etc etc etc).

If something is 'ist offensiveness is kinda implied.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

EvanTH posted:

That's gonna skew the whole Offensiveness scale tho! If "posse" is "as gently caress" then where does G. Karl saying Melo would have been a good defender if his Dad hadn't died of cancer land? Where does it leave Donald Sterling's demented rantings? (btw I just googled him to see if he was still alive and he's 82 and worth $3.2 billion dollars god dammit)
George Karl gets full immunity for being Jackie Robinson's father

quote:

And a little more background: except for, possibly, the military, there’s no place in American society with more black and white cooperation and friendship than in the NBA. There’s really no room for a bigot in our league; we’ve got problems, but racism isn’t one of them.
The Esquire guy asked me about Doc Rivers. Doc’s career path had been NBA player, TV commentator, NBA head coach. In the back of my mind, I was thinking about the dues I’d paid before I was put in charge of an NBA team. And the dues Terry was still paying but couldn’t even get a look. While Doc immediately proved he could handle the job—he was Coach of the Year in his first season in his first job with Orlando—he had never been a scout or an assistant or coached at a lower level anywhere. So I said . . .
“Doc’s been anointed and that’s okay. I understand that that happens but it’s not necessarily right. Doc does a great job. Now there’s gonna be four of five more anointments of the young Afro-American coach. Which is fine, because I think they have been screwed. But I have a great young assistant who can’t even get an interview.”
Before I could apologize for “Afro-American”—once an okay term for black that had fallen out of favor—and before the February 2002 issue of Esquire even came out, there was hell to pay. Doc took some shots that hurt a little bit.
“George never complained about Larry Bird when he got the job [as head coach of the Pacers]. I don’t think George has an opinion anyone should listen to on this subject. . . . He thinks he’s more than he really is. We call him Naismith. George gets old. He has problems with players. We also call him player hater.”
Mark Jackson took the stand. “Disrespectful,” said the Knicks point guard. “Doc Rivers and Byron Scott are some of the best coaches in the game. . . . A lot of times players know more than assistant coaches.”
...
I apologized. “I should have been smarter,” I said. “You hang out with a writer for two or three days and you think he’s your friend.” And you think he understands you, even when you make a point as awkwardly as I made that one. I didn’t say I’d been misquoted and I didn’t deny my main point. Still, it felt funny having to convince anyone I’m not a racist. After all, my professional life has depended on extremely close mutual cooperation with black men. As I mentioned, Gary Payton is one of my five best friends. My daughter married a black man, Jackie Robinson, a high school basketball coach in Olympia, Washington. I love Jackie and their two children, my first two grandchildren.

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


:vapes:
Grimey Drawer

oh man, jsimms killing it.

"he laughs all the time. we talk about music and women"

*cut to kawhi smiling devilishly*

gently caress yeah jsimms. kawhi, you dog.

BWV
Feb 24, 2005


EvanTH posted:

Hah so you're saying Stephen A. Smith should be punched by a pro athlete for the words he said, but also Stephen A Smith should be fired for suggesting that mere words are enough provocation to warrant a punching by a

I agree with this. I'm cool with Sports media dudes occasionally eating punches for talking poo poo. But not okay with the wives and girlfriends of athletes being struck for talking poo poo . I'm also cool with those media dudes eating more punches for suggesting wives and girlfriends deserve to get struck.
I don't think this makes me hypocritical.

BWV fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Feb 25, 2017

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

https://twitter.com/cagrizbeat/status/835321253972033543

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

god qb
me
jay hova
The Bulls won today but all I can think about is how MCW started and Rondo still played 30 minutes

Once Payne is active I truly believe Hoiberg is gonna find a way to play 4 point guards, three of whom cannot shoot

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

BWV posted:

I agree with this. I'm cool with Sports media dudes occasionally eating punches for talking poo poo. But not okay with the wives and girlfriends of athletes being struck for talking poo poo . I'm also cool with those media dudes eating more punches for suggesting wives and girlfriends deserve to get struck.
I don't think this makes me hypocritical.
And then after Stephen A. gets punched he and Kevin can settle the dispute over a nice plate of Cheese Doodles.

Dejan Bimble
Mar 24, 2008

we're all black friends
Plaster Town Cop

Kibner posted:

You sure it was AI and not David West?

I can't say for sure, but AI is a knowledgeable guy and talks openly about that stuff all the time. Does David West do that too?

The Mavs signed Ben Bentil And Quinn Cook from the d-league

Ben Bentil looked good in summer league but he has so many physical limitations

Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Feb 25, 2017

Femur
Jan 10, 2004
I REALLY NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP

EvanTH posted:

Ooo there's a lot of interesting stuff in here.

-- I don't think anyone in this forum is gonna argue that Peak Shaq wasn't one of the greatest centers of all time, that's completely true. JaVale will never be in the same realm of player, it's distinct but somewhat irrelevant to the current issue?
-- the "he donates money" thing never feels quite right to me as a character defense for the rich when the amount donated is such a small percentage of one's income that it doesn't make any appreciable difference in lifestyle whatsoever. Here's a classic Reddit thread from 2013ish where everyone is talking about what a classy and upstanding dude Aaron Hernandez is because he gave part of his check to the office charity: https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/yxrvb/aaron_hernandez_gives_50k_of_his_new_extension_to/
-- You use "us" twice in there. Who's 'us' and what do you mean "pioneered social media"?
-- "he's not committing crimes" is very lawyerly, and I mean that in the way that highlights what people don't like about lawyers. There's a jillion million billion things you can do in this life which are both perfectly legal yet extremely hosed up and/or cruel. There's also a ton of poo poo (I'm thinkin' drug laws) that is highly illegal morally harmless. Morality and legality don't align 1:1 and you'd honestly have to be a very odd American to possess an internal moral system in which they do. Committing crimes isn't the issue, we're just talking about who's being a dick.
-- and with that said, Shaq arguably did commit some crimes, as covered with the seizure-beating and child-porn-planting addressed in posts in the last few pages. I don't think this has much direct bearing on this argument, it's just a sort of, I don't know, character witness type argument. Shaq's been an awful dude for a long time.

I don't really think of this as a broad political issue, more like a dust-up between two dudes (neither of whom I know personally) and I'm siding with the one I figure I like more. Dejan gave me one of the best descriptors of Shaq that I know of, Shaq's the dude in your classroom who tells an obvious unfunny joke then yells it two or three more times when nobody's laughing. He has a bullying instinct and JaVale called him on it. Very very entertaining.


Yes, but the TNT segment where JaVale called the segment "Shaqtin a Coon" was 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q69O7CiwL8
(this isn't a link to the PG leg injury I promise)

I wasn't trying to prove his greatness, I was just trying to show his plight as a feared huge black man. Being a clown made people more comfortable. But even then, his lessor running mates, penny, kobe, and wade all received more popularity credit and acceptance than him. The NBA establishment did not respect him, 1 mvp, only feared him. They instituted strategies to assault him and he bored it. They made him a vagabond, painted narratives to dismiss his accomplishments. Narratives that exist to this day, as KD pointed out.

Why don't we see him as the heir to MJ? but it's Kobe, Lebron, that gets that comparison. All we ever expect of him was a quick quote, his dominance commonly dismissed as a matter of genetics. This was us bullying him.

I believe his persona is for us, so I am not gonna abandon him because he's stuck in it now; just cause we got as old as the establishment that dismissed and cornered him. He's pretty harmless, that's what i mean by criminal. he's not commiting fraud, assaulting people that I know of. That pedo thing was some bad contractor and wanting payback thing, a normal desire, and his incompetent execution kinda shows how harmless he is imho. I used charity to imply that Shaq contributes tangible stuff, and his dumb opinions are ethereal.

You haven't really shown the harm to Javale. He is famous partly because of the segment. He explained his failed career as him not really caring, cashing them checks. So why care so bad about how we see him? He's paid to entertain, and failure is as entertaining as success. Shaq gave him fame, if he was as cool as he projects, just go with the flow, even exploit it like the people in the gossip columns. Don't fake like you don't care, that it's just a job. Javele is the dude with that's petty and thin skined, why do we feel sorry for him? because he couldn't do what steph and Thompson did despite starting with more? He is bullying shaq cause he now think we won't clown him cause he's a winner with credibility now. He planted the seeds that his aspirations are just like us, just another 7footer 270 with famous parents, that he didn't get his ego and dreams smashed by his betters, it's just a job. faker.

By pioneer, i mean shaq was one of the most popular follows on social media in these forums, and the platform(twitter?) iirc. He's always tried to entertain us.

And how did shaq sell out?

I typed all these words because KDs Shaq dismissal annoyed me, and I find yalls Mcgee love undeserving. He can't laugh at himself either. These guys egos are massive, Shaq is no worse.

Femur fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Feb 25, 2017

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
Is this discussion going good places?

AggressivelyStupid
Jan 9, 2012

No

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
Shaq is garbage in that show because he can't take a joke or really banter. Webber was so much better.

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Femur posted:

I wasn't trying to prove his greatness, I was just trying to show his plight as a feared huge black man. Being a clown made people more comfortable. But even then, his lessor running mates, penny, kobe, and wade all received more popularity credit and acceptance than him. The NBA establishment did not respect him, 1 mvp, only feared him. They instituted strategies to assault him and he bored it. They made him a vagabond, painted narratives to dismiss his accomplishments. Narratives that exist to this day, as KD pointed out.

Why don't we see him as the heir to MJ? but it's Kobe, Lebron, that gets that comparison. All we ever expect of him was a quick quote, his dominance commonly dismissed as a matter of genetics. This was us bullying him.

I believe his persona is for us, so I am not gonna abandon him because he's stuck in it now; just cause we got as old as the establishment that dismissed and cornered him. He's pretty harmless, that's what i mean by criminal. he's not commiting fraud, assaulting people that I know of. That pedo thing was some bad contractor and wanting payback thing, a normal desire, and his incompetent execution kinda shows how harmless he is imho. I used charity to imply that Shaq contributes tangible stuff, and his dumb opinions are ethereal.

You haven't really shown the harm to Javale. He is famous partly because of the segment. He explained his failed career as him not really caring, cashing them checks. So why care so bad about how we see him? He's paid to entertain, and failure is as entertaining as success. Shaq gave him fame, if he was as cool as he projects, just go with the flow, even exploit it like the people in the gossip columns. Don't fake like you don't care, that it's just a job. Javele is the dude with that's petty and thin skined, why do we feel sorry for him? because he couldn't do what steph and Thompson did despite starting with more? He is bullying shaq cause he now think we won't clown him cause he's a winner with credibility now. He planted the seeds that his aspirations are just like us, just another 7footer 270 with famous parents, that he didn't get his ego and dreams smashed by his betters, it's just a job. faker.

By pioneer, i mean shaq was one of the most popular follows on social media in these forums, and the platform(twitter?) iirc. He's always tried to entertain us.

And how did shaq sell out?

I typed all these words because KDs Shaq dismissal annoyed me, and I find yalls Mcgee love undeserving. He can't laugh at himself either. These guys egos are massive, Shaq is no worse.


Yeah but

gently caress Shaq
is a little ol' place where
we can get together
gently caress Shaq baby

dokmo
Aug 27, 2006

:stat:man
I still can't believe Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari didn't get traded.

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Hashtag Banterzone
Dec 8, 2005


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dokmo posted:

I still can't believe Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari didn't get traded.

Everyone thought they were going to get traded last year and the year before too iirc.

They have that Brook Lopez disease.

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