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Cosmos actually went out of its way to show that the church played a pretty large part in the progression of science.
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It felt like at least once per episode in the new Cosmos there was a story about someone who came up with a new scientific idea but then those dang religious people persecuted our brave hero. The general tone was different too, in the old Cosmos when Carl Sagan talks about the age of the universe or evolution he's talking about how amazing and wonderful the universe can be. In the new one Neil DeGrasse Tyson says "here's how it is, deal with it" and kickflipped over a church. Maybe I'm crazy and misremembering. He definitely jumped a church on a skateboard though.
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Feb 25, 2017 06:58
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Astroman posted:Let's not forget the officer in Star Trek IV who realized that the Whale Probe did, in fact, have The Beat: Star Trek 4 is about how a dubstep probe immobilized Starfleet with its beats
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Feb 25, 2017 07:08
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Star Trek 4 is about how a dubstep probe immobilized Starfleet with its beats The event went down in Klingon history as the Day of the Skr'llx.
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Feb 25, 2017 07:09
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Pwnstar posted:It felt like at least once per episode in the new Cosmos there was a story about someone who came up with a new scientific idea but then those dang religious people persecuted our brave hero. The general tone was different too, in the old Cosmos when Carl Sagan talks about the age of the universe or evolution he's talking about how amazing and wonderful the universe can be. In the new one Neil DeGrasse Tyson says "here's how it is, deal with it" and kickflipped over a church. The running theme of the new show did seem to be less "here's how awesome stuff is" and more like a celebration of a scientist's role in challenging popular ignorance. Flat earth, lead poisoning cover-ups, creationism, climate change denial, etc.
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Feb 25, 2017 07:19
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The TNG episode Sub Rosa is on TV right now and Crusher just said the line from the thread title and it made me think of this thread. Welp, that's my story. Thanks for reading. I hope it aroused you.
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Feb 25, 2017 08:22
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Drink-Mix Man posted:The running theme of the new show did seem to be less "here's how awesome stuff is" and more like a celebration of a scientist's role in challenging popular ignorance. Flat earth, lead poisoning cover-ups, creationism, climate change denial, etc. At a time when science and the concept of facts in general is being challenged I cannot blame them.
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Feb 25, 2017 10:41
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I love that all the fights in Mirror, Mirror are just complete messes.
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Feb 25, 2017 10:45
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Orv posted:I love that all the fights in Mirror, Mirror are just complete messes. You know people give Kirk the credit but as I recall it was actually SPOCK (shouty) who invented the two-fisted punch when bitch-slapping Fake!Nancy Crater in 'The Man Trap'. Unless James "R." Kirk invented it in the fight with Gary Mitchell and I didn't notice or forgot. But anyway I felt like you were maligning Spock's combat skills as he figures prominently in the Mirror Mirror fight scene I recall, Anyway my vote for most hilarious/out-of-nowhere fight scene HAS to be the one in "The Doomsday Machine" between Commodore Crazy and Redshirt. That Redshirt was like a proto-Ralph Macchio as I recall.
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Feb 25, 2017 13:38
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socialsecurity posted:At a time when science and the concept of facts in general is being challenged I cannot blame them. Except they were pretty wrong too. They beelined to "Bruno got executed because they couldn't handle his science!" and the church records of the time say nothing of the sort.
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Feb 25, 2017 13:51
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kaworu posted:You know people give Kirk the credit but as I recall it was actually SPOCK (shouty) who invented the two-fisted punch when bitch-slapping Fake!Nancy Crater in 'The Man Trap'. Unless James "R." Kirk invented it in the fight with Gary Mitchell and I didn't notice or forgot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE-rhcFfOEA It's not that anyone is fighting badly, per se, certainly for 60s TV fight choreography it's pretty drat good, it's just a total barroom brawl of everyone making a mess of things than anything controlled or coordinated. Which honestly is the best part of TOS fight scenes. It also features the rare double-boot. E: Also you're right that redshirt deserved better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah-AuF_X0EY Orv fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Feb 25, 2017 14:00
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AndyElusive posted:Welp, that's my story. Thanks for reading. I hope it aroused you. That's my secret, Cap...
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Feb 25, 2017 15:07
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The new cosmos basically has a Star Trek intro where a space ship is flying around doing sciency-type-things and thus it is both cool and good to watch.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:09
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:The new cosmos basically has a Star Trek intro where a space ship is flying around doing sciency-type-things and thus it is both cool and good to watch. Yeah it's a good show all around. Nothing is perfect but it's a drat fine program for getting people fascinated with science stuff
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Feb 25, 2017 15:12
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Sash! posted:Except they were pretty wrong too. They beelined to "Bruno got executed because they couldn't handle his science!" and the church records of the time say nothing of the sort. See, now it sounds like a drama about 80s rap battles and I am so on board for that.
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Feb 25, 2017 17:30
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Drink-Mix Man posted:The running theme of the new show did seem to be less "here's how awesome stuff is" and more like a celebration of a scientist's role in challenging popular ignorance. Flat earth, lead poisoning cover-ups, creationism, climate change denial, etc. Agreed. NDT's schtick in general is kind of weird in that way and a lot different than Sagan. I get that science is always an uphill battle with the public, but the occasionally weirdly militant tone of Tyson and other people like Bill Nye is pretty obnoxious.
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Feb 25, 2017 17:45
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Well lead poisoning and climate change denial are things that it's totally OK with being militant about in my book. On one hand you have corporations poisoning babies but on the other you have a "weirdly militant tone".
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Feb 25, 2017 18:06
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AlternateAccount posted:Agreed. NDT's schtick in general is kind of weird in that way and a lot different than Sagan. How should they approach it then? "While what I'm saying might refute what your particular religion believes, I'm sure it's still totally real and you can keep believing it."
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Feb 25, 2017 18:16
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Cojawfee posted:How should they approach it then? "While what I'm saying might refute what your particular religion believes, I'm sure it's still totally real and you can keep believing it." Perhaps by not actively misrepresenting the catholic church as an active anti-science force, as often happens (cf pop depictions of Galileo as a matyr who died for science)
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Feb 25, 2017 18:25
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Cojawfee posted:How should they approach it then? "While what I'm saying might refute what your particular religion believes, I'm sure it's still totally real and you can keep believing it." Why address it at all? I don't remember Sagan's series really going so. Present your science as objective fact.
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Feb 25, 2017 18:25
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Bruno happened to have the good fortune of stumbling upon ideas that were more correct than his peers' and then having all his flaws ignored by those who romanticized him.
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Feb 25, 2017 18:32
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So, if you watch the episode in question, the sentencing of Bruno was was stated like this. "You are found guilty of questioning the Holy Trinity and the divinity of Jesus Christ. Of believing that God's wrath is not eternal, that everyone will be saved. Of asserting the existence of other worlds." So, quite possibly the last one didn't happen and I can see how someone would object to it being put in there. However, the first two are exactly why he was executed. If you watch the whole segment, Tyson was very careful to show that Bruno was being persecuted due to being outspoken and in defiance of what was taught as the norm, not for specific scientific views. The point of the segment was not "science vs church" it was "free thought and exchange of ideas vs the inquisition."
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Feb 25, 2017 18:51
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I really like the animation of the historical segments and also the cosmic calendar visualization
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Feb 25, 2017 19:14
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kaworu posted:You know people give Kirk the credit but as I recall it was actually SPOCK (shouty) who invented the two-fisted punch when bitch-slapping Fake!Nancy Crater in 'The Man Trap'. Unless James "R." Kirk invented it in the fight with Gary Mitchell and I didn't notice or forgot. Kirk gives Khan a hurricanrana. Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_c1Odol9xw&t=69s Name Change fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Feb 25, 2017 22:24
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i don't know about any of this but since they threw Deep Space 9 up on european netflix I have binge watched the last few seasons and finished it for the first time I thought it was extremely good and I am now really sad that it is over.
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Feb 25, 2017 23:05
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8utAagjD8SE
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Feb 25, 2017 23:22
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dont even fink about it posted:Kirk gives Khan a hurricanrana.  "BAH GAWD IT'S KIRK OFF THE STEEL CAGE!"
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Feb 26, 2017 01:38
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I think someone on Enterprise used a DDT once and referred to it as a Klingon move. Jake the Snake: secret Klingon. Kirk's double axehandle strike is still commonly used by wrestlers, which I appreciate.
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Feb 26, 2017 01:52
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I prefer Kirk's full body throw he used in Tomorrow is Yesterday against the Air Force guards.
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Feb 26, 2017 02:10
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Turns out Chain of Command isn't in season 5 after all, and I can't start Ds9 again yet. I really thought it was coming what with the Cardassians and Trill being introduced. I'm glad they got rid of the Cardassian face hats, but I do wonder what they were for.
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Feb 26, 2017 04:20
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Beachcomber posted:I'm glad they got rid of the Cardassian face hats, but I do wonder what they were for. "We do not talk about it with outsiders."
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Feb 26, 2017 04:23
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Astroman posted:"We do not talk about it with outsiders." Ok, here's my episode all about the Cardassian head cages and how they got rid of them.
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Feb 26, 2017 04:26
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AlternateAccount posted:Agreed. NDT's schtick in general is kind of weird in that way and a lot different than Sagan. Out of curiosity, have you read The Demon-Haunted World or much of Carl Sagan's work in general? The original Cosmos TV series may have been slightly more optimistic than the new one (I honestly don't remember enough of it to make the comparison), but NDT and Bill Nye really have nothing on Carl Sagan when it comes to being militantly anti-psuedo science. Dude clearly had no patience or tolerance for people in power denying scientific reality.
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Feb 26, 2017 04:36
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Cojawfee posted:Ok, here's my episode all about the Cardassian head cages and how they got rid of them. And Dukat's secret life as a border patrol captain with the only goatee in the Union.
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Feb 26, 2017 06:58
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Evek posted:I prefer Kirk's full body throw he used in Tomorrow is Yesterday against the Air Force guards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyxCLlARP_w Also the redshirt yeoman with the only actual fighting skill in this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pighpPCNPU
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Feb 26, 2017 07:52
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I like Keiko in Disaster and at basically no other time. Pah'wraith Keiko doesn't count.  
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Feb 26, 2017 09:35
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Keiko's best moment is saving her husband's life accidentally by not knowing his coffee drinking habits well
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Feb 26, 2017 09:40
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I liked her in Tribunal too.
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Feb 26, 2017 16:29
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Tsaedje posted:Keiko's best moment is saving her husband's life accidentally by not knowing his coffee drinking habits well O'Brien is so low that even his shrew of a wife barely takes notice of him 
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Bioware talking about the new player character in Mass Effect: Andromeda:
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