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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:I'm thinking, what would be the discussion going on if Ellison had won? Feel like there would be a lot more unity right now. geez they made him 3/5ths of a chairperson what more could uppity progressives want
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:He will indeed be staying as a rep Best news I've heard today.
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anime was right posted:maybe perez won because hes awful at public speaking, meek as hell, and a total wonk, he's just like the majority of the democratic party leadership! fortunately his job is mostly raising money and directing strategy and we're not running him as a presidential candidate?
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Grondoth posted:If you're trying to smugly say that the left isn't organized enough to take these people down, well... yeah? That's the point? Who's gonna organize them? They aren't wanted in the democrats, it's hard to get involved with the democrats, they're very obviously angry at the republicans and aren't gonna join them, third parties are a joke, and politics just isn't important enough for most people for them to just organically organize together. But yo, there's a lot of energy to be found if the dems would say "this is your party now, kids, let's make some things happen." I done seen it with my eyes. They have to organize themselves, you idiot real political movements don't sit around on their hands waiting for someone else to come tell them what to do. leftist movements don't succeed by milling around aimlessly until the political establishment invites them to rule, they succeed by organizing themselves and fighting their own way through those barriers and disadvantages jfc
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Vox Nihili posted:fortunately his job is mostly raising money and directing strategy and we're not running him as a presidential candidate? dnc chair does a lot of media
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Main Paineframe posted:real political movements don't sit around on their hands waiting for someone else to come tell them what to do. 
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there's a thread for mobilizing democrats isn't there like there's that thread for being useful and then this thread for salt
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Oh Snapple! posted:dnc chair does a lot of media hes not awful at it i mean, im mad, but im not "we just picked clinton" mad.
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Is Hillary really planning to run in 2020? They can't be that loving stupid.
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the establishment hated ellison so much because he had the support of far-left radicals like chuck 'seize the means' schumer
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Telephones posted:Is Hillary really planning to run in 2020? They can't be that loving stupid. she can try if she wants, she'd lose the primary to a potted plant at this point.
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Telephones posted:Is Hillary really planning to run in 2020? They can't be that loving stupid. literally nobody who knows what they're talking about thinks hillary would run again in a million years. she was borderline too old in 2016 and failed general candidates never run again. 'hillary's gonna run in 2020' is twitter speak for 'i'm permanently brokebrained by the primaries and see david brock in the corner of my eyes'
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Telephones posted:Is Hillary really planning to run in 2020? They can't be that loving stupid. She has zero support from anyone atm but mentioning it really triggers some dudes around here.
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Main Paineframe posted:They have to organize themselves, you idiot I know you keep saying this, but what I think your general depression with the left is stopping you from realizing that organization doesn't just come out of thin air. You're saying political power doesn't come out of thin air either, and yeah, of course. What I'm saying is that the power base of the left has been undermined for a very long time, and that makes it hard for it to organize independently, and part of that erosion is that politics has moved further and further from the public so it's harder and harder for people not already connected within that sphere to get involved.
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Vox Nihili posted:she can try if she wants, she'd lose the primary to a potted plant at this point. Yeah boy, pot plant (4)20(4)20.  
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:None of those people are at all involved in local politics and it shows I tried going to a few dem meetings back in 2008/9 but it was just 50-60 year old white people whining about stupid crap that put me to sleep, they never actually did anything for 6+ months so I stopped going.
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got any sevens posted:I tried going to a few dem meetings back in 2008/9 but it was just 50-60 year old white people whining about stupid crap that put me to sleep, they never actually did anything for 6+ months so I stopped going. Try going back now! There's probably a lot more people like you there, unless they all got chased away already.
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/835590111471550464 Bernie thinks he can boss around Tom "The Bomb" Perez like one of his Mexican housemaids. When will this old #FakeDem retire? He's like the Democrat version of John McCain.
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etalian posted:I think we heard the arguments from bad dems for why Hillary was unbeatable. She was so unbeatable that with 12 years of preparation she barely beat a last minute halfass primary challenger who wasn't even really from her party. 
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funny way to spell posted:Bernie thinks he can boss around Tom "The Bomb" Perez like one of his Mexican housemaids. When will this old #FakeDem retire? He's like the Democrat version of John McCain. it's the best shot we have of perez actually promoting populist leftists and progressives to run for seats
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"Working class people will like Perez more" is code for "Ellison is too black and too Muslim," hth
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Telephones posted:Is Hillary really planning to run in 2020? They can't be that loving stupid. No, but it makes an incredibly good clickbait headline because there's no one who doesn't have Strong Opinions about Hillary Clinton, so expect to hear it over and over again until Jan 2021 Grondoth posted:I know you keep saying this, but what I think your general depression with the left is stopping you from realizing that organization doesn't just come out of thin air. You're saying political power doesn't come out of thin air either, and yeah, of course. What I'm saying is that the power base of the left has been undermined for a very long time, and that makes it hard for it to organize independently, and part of that erosion is that politics has moved further and further from the public so it's harder and harder for people not already connected within that sphere to get involved. It's easier than it's ever been before to organize on a large scale. The left just doesn't have the motivation or the understanding of how to do it anymore.
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The best part about the democrats relentlessly loving over the progressive wing is seeing the same dumb poo poo retards acting like they're the adults in the room while pouring salt on the wound. you children need to grow up. didn't you see that your stupid messiah got a ceremonial position? one day you'll realize that change is incremental and you have to put in a couple of decades of work before you can get what you want. if you idiots aren't willing to walk lockstep with the establishment, maybe you were never really progressives to begin with *loses every branch of government* *watches the country transform into a conservative dystopia overnight* *never loses that smug smile*
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Fallen Hamprince posted:*extremely doesn't vote in primaries voice* "why would i support the dems when all their candidates are so Bad?"
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FactsAreUseless posted:I think a lot of the people saying this did vote in the primaries.
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Leftists bedwetting over this is much less worrying than the usual cadre of smug centerists reassuring everyone that this is meaningless/good, as they are physically incapable of not being wrong.
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"gas chambers for detainees is good, checkmate leftists "
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Ace of Baes posted:Leftists bedwetting over this is much less worrying than the usual cadre of smug centerists reassuring everyone that this is meaningless/good, as they are physically incapable of not being wrong. it'll be cool when they're totally shocked that a bunch of progressives win a bunch of poo poo and take over their political party, why, they could never see that one coming
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Ace of Baes posted:Leftists bedwetting over this is much less worrying than the usual cadre of smug centerists reassuring everyone that this is meaningless/good, as they are physically incapable of not being wrong. In the end it was the centrists who were the real accelerationists.
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