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infernal machines posted:zen seems to be targeting that ever growing juggernaut of the PC market, home desktop PCs not exactly the market of the future, but i think the "enthusiast" crowd still exists and is very prepared to go with anything that seems a bit flashier than intels offerings. i expect they can make some quick cash there, and then longer term get another go at servers going
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Feb 25, 2017 17:33
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had a guy at work yesterday tell me that amd has alaways been great, intel just rigs the press and market against amd
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Feb 25, 2017 18:15
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it's true, amd sux = FAKE NEWS!
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Feb 25, 2017 18:17
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A Pinball Wizard posted:had a guy at work yesterday tell me that amd has alaways been great, intel just rigs the press and market against amd i fully believe you, i remember back in 2012 i used to work with a guy who was planning on going AMD for a new desktop because he was some weird company fanboy. he also insisted that Apple made a huge mistake in switching away from PowerPC. this was also the same guy who bragged about needlessly assaulting someone as a night watchman at some apartment complex, complained about how he used to own his own security business but "the insurance costs got too high", and also admitted that he used to work for TSA but somehow managed to get fired. obviously not firing on all gates there.
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Feb 25, 2017 19:51
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what's it called when you are a barometer for all things bad when you are always first adopter for really bad tech?
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Feb 25, 2017 21:04
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pagancow posted:what's it called when you are a barometer for all things bad when you are always first adopter for really bad tech? the verge editors
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Feb 25, 2017 21:10
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:not exactly the market of the future, but i think the "enthusiast" crowd still exists and is very prepared to go with anything that seems a bit flashier than intels offerings. i expect they can make some quick cash there, and then longer term get another go at servers going the enthusiast crowd is approximately a rounding error in the PC market
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Feb 25, 2017 21:13
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seriously though, who is this product for? you have a dozen cores but can't support high memory densities. what's the advantage of having 8 cores for a basic desktop? nothing is multithreaded enough to take advantage of that until you start getting to specialized workloads that you'd want an actual workstation for
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Feb 25, 2017 21:19
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The two people who stream for a living who don't have Intel chips already. This is ignoring the bigger reality, that basically all computers sold today are laptops.
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Feb 25, 2017 21:22
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Paul MaudDib posted:same r u ready to WALK posted:That's dumb, I guess they don't want to cannibalise sales of the Naples server CPU line that launches later this year flamewar incoming: if you are building a home zfs box you don't need to ecc ram 
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Feb 26, 2017 01:07
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uhh am i missing something or doesnt ryzen like all non-apu amd chips support ecc some >>gAmEr<< motherboards may not so that you can run 2968987mhz ram with cas 17.3234 but just lol if you dont order the most boring bulk tray green pcb ecc ram for all your boxen
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Feb 26, 2017 01:13
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uh, excuse me but as an ~enthusiast~ i only buy ram that was tested in a wind tunnel, is named after a death metal album, and looks vaguely like a rake or some other gardening implement
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Feb 26, 2017 01:18
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vodkat posted:flamewar incoming: how does zfs protect your in memory dirty pages from bit flips?
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Feb 26, 2017 01:31
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:uh, excuse me but as an ~enthusiast~ i only buy ram that was tested in a wind tunnel, is named after a death metal album, and looks vaguely like a rake or some other gardening implement
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Feb 26, 2017 02:24
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:not exactly the market of the future, but i think the "enthusiast" crowd still exists and is very prepared to go with anything that seems a bit flashier than intels offerings. i expect they can make some quick cash there, and then longer term get another go at servers going this is their strategy. the enthusiast market are the beta testers for the server chips that will be released later this year. they don't want to be pushing microcode updates to servers to fix bugs, or even worse sending out chips with a subtle design flaw. it's a new architecture and a new process, so there's going to be bugs to iron out
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Feb 26, 2017 02:38
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my ram has a picture of a boat on it
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Feb 26, 2017 03:22
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is it some kind of vampire boat on a sea of blood with skulls and pentagrams and poo poo on it? if so then you have chosen your ram correctly
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Feb 26, 2017 03:55
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Tokamak posted:this is their strategy. the enthusiast market are the beta testers for the server chips that will be released later this year. they don't want to be pushing microcode updates to servers to fix bugs, or even worse sending out chips with a subtle design flaw. it's a new architecture and a new process, so there's going to be bugs to iron out the chips go to enthusiasts first because it takes time to get the yields up and you can't start selling into the server market until you can produce them in volume. also lol if you think the chips they ship don't have design flaws.
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Feb 26, 2017 04:05
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the flaw is theyre amd lol
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Feb 26, 2017 05:36
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infernal machines posted:seriously though, who is this product for? you have a dozen cores but can't support high memory densities. what's the advantage of having 8 cores for a basic desktop? nothing is multithreaded enough to take advantage of that until you start getting to specialized workloads that you'd want an actual workstation for lol have you read the amd thread in sh/sc? there are people who are irl mad that 8+ cores isn't already commonplace on desktops and that those lazy developers aren't already coding games to just get better performance with as many cores as you can throw at them. i can't quite tell how much of it is ignorance and how much of it is the perverse compulsion to spend money on new computers each year that have more/bigger numbers than last year's model.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i can't quite tell how much of it is ignorance and how much of it is the perverse compulsion to spend money on new computers each year that have more/bigger numbers than last year's model. it's both
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the kind of people who buy amd because 'MORE CORES!!!!' are the same people who will never, ever be happy playing games because they'll always know in their hearts that they can eke out another 1 fps if they *just* adjust this slider correctly
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Feb 26, 2017 19:59
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I frequently do things at work that can use as many cores as you can throw at them. at home not so much.
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Feb 26, 2017 20:18
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i want a cool new feature or else intel will have to be happy with me buying a new $200ish i5 every 10 years it looks like.
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Feb 26, 2017 20:26
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The Management posted:I frequently do things at work that can use as many cores as you can throw at them. at home not so much. lol if you aren't transcoding the most artistinal high definition anime dog tits constantly
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Feb 26, 2017 20:38
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hifi posted:i want a cool new feature or else intel will have to be happy with me buying a new $200ish i5 every 10 years it looks like. maybe HP will finally release their memristor-based stuff and we can ascend to the fourth level of computation or intel will just release another 14nm cpu with 5% higher clocks and ray kurzweil will finally accept that his stupid loving predictions that theyll be able to simulate his brain before he dies are not going to happen
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Feb 26, 2017 20:49
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we must ascend from these prisons of flesh
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Feb 26, 2017 20:52
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The Management posted:I frequently do things at work that can use as many cores as you can throw at them. at home not so much. sure, and presumably since this is your job, you have an actual workstation to do it on. one with ecc ram that isn't riced out to infinity with mad overclocks
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Feb 26, 2017 20:57
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hifi posted:i want a cool new feature or else intel will have to be happy with me buying a new $200ish i5 every 10 years it looks like. intel would need to have competition before they get off their rear end and do something. post a thread if that ever happens.
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Feb 26, 2017 21:03
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Coremad
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BONGHITZ posted:Coremad coremad mcshartys the amd road
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:maybe HP will finally release their memristor-based stuff and we can ascend to the fourth level of computation tbf i think we could have managed a computer simulation of kurzweils brain which was good enough for all practical purposes at any point since 1973
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:tbf i think we could have managed a computer simulation of kurzweils brain which was good enough for all practical purposes at any point since 1973 that's two years too early Pet Rock wasn't introduced until 1975
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infernal machines posted:sure, and presumably since this is your job, you have an actual workstation to do it on. one with ecc ram that isn't riced out to infinity with mad overclocks or a server in the basement for all your Core needs.
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Feb 26, 2017 21:46
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Silver Alicorn posted:we must ascend from these prisons of flesh amd you will know us by the trail of the brain dead
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and on the other end, the Atom C3000 was finally officially announced so I guess my next FreeNAS box is going to have to wait until that because I'll be hosed if I can't have 40 gigabits of bandwidth in my household anime server
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The Management posted:I frequently do things at work that can use as many cores as you can throw at them. at home not so much. On the flip-side, only a handful of tools in our work CAD software are multithreaded and they're all the esoteric new ones that have been added in the last few years. Your basic everyday tools are still single-thread because they're the oldest and I imagine the codebase behind it all makes Excel look like a paragon of excellence. It sure is great watching it peg my 8-core workstation at 12.5% processor use while doing anything. 
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ConanTheLibrarian posted:maybe HP will finally release their memristor-based stuff and we can ascend to the fourth level of computation lol no they gave up on "the machine" as a memristor based thing and made it some piece of linux software
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