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therobit posted:You would think that but it isn't an immutable charachteristic and does not make the whole of what someone is. It is like any other serious charcter flaw. You can be racist and still be an otherwise good person. Most whites in America are to some degree racist, whether they are conscious of it or not. Are you gonna tell your spouse "We ain't going over for Christmas because your dad has lovely views?" Yeah actually, racist is one of the worst things that someone can be
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"My relatives are in the KKK and invited me to a lynching, should I go?"
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Improbable Lobster posted:Yeah actually, racist is one of the worst things that someone can be And yet most white people are racist and don't even realize. I'm not saying they use the N word or fly confederate flags, but they also don't rhink MLK should have a holiday. If you have never been exposed to the white working class that might be shocking, but it isn't incredibly uncommon with that demographic. If you simply write them off you lose the chance to educate, and you also lose elections.
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therobit posted:And yet most white people are racist and don't even realize. I'm not saying they use the N word or fly confederate flags, but they also don't rhink MLK should have a holiday. If you have never been exposed to the white working class that might be shocking, but it isn't incredibly uncommon with that demographic. If you simply write them off you lose the chance to educate, and you also lose elections. Racism isn't a character flaw, it's a fundamental inability to empathize with people who have a different skin colour then them. And guess what: you're literally never going to change their hateful and backwards opinions by tolerating them. All you're doing is helping them normalize their racism.
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Improbable Lobster posted:"My relatives are in the KKK and invited me to a lynching, should I go?" eh not to go out of my way to defend racists but there's a bit of a difference between heiling hitler and just being raised in a an un-diverse setting and being culturally insensitive. imo it's kinda weird that we're both quick to condemn rural people on their lack of modern sensitivity and hugely pro immigration from areas that are way worse, either you can accept people have been raised wrong but can change under the right influence or you don't but it's a weird mix from progressives in the US.
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ArbitraryC posted:eh not to go out of my way to defend racists but there's a bit of a difference between heiling hitler and just being raised in a an un-diverse setting and being culturally insensitive. imo it's kinda weird that we're both quick to condemn rural people on their lack of modern sensitivity and hugely pro immigration from areas that are way worse, either you can accept people have been raised wrong but can change under the right influence or you don't but it's a weird mix from progressives in the US. Everything is absolutes, there is no gray area ITT.
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ArbitraryC posted:eh not to go out of my way to defend racists but there's a bit of a difference between heiling hitler and just being raised in a an un-diverse setting and being culturally insensitive. imo it's kinda weird that we're both quick to condemn rural people on their lack of modern sensitivity and hugely pro immigration from areas that are way worse, either you can accept people have been raised wrong but can change under the right influence or you don't but it's a weird mix from progressives in the US. Historically speaking, the people raised in an all-white setting are the most violent racists that are the most set in their ways.
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This isn't about being 80 years behind modern society's mores, the behavior described is and has always been annoying as a pair of mosquitoes putting on polka music while they stab at your nakedly nair'd balls
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Improbable Lobster posted:Historically speaking, the people raised in an all-white setting are the most violent racists that are the most set in their ways. lmao someone never been to asia
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Improbable Lobster posted:Racism isn't a character flaw, it's a fundamental inability to empathize with people who have a different skin colour then them. And guess what: you're literally never going to change their hateful and backwards opinions by tolerating them. All you're doing is helping them normalize their racism. The insidious ways that racism are systematically enforced and normalized are such that it is impossible to grow up white in this country without absorbing some of the background racism a little. It's something you can and have to work against, but it doesn't render all of us unreachable or fundamentally incapable of empathy
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fruit on the bottom posted:The insidious ways that racism are systematically enforced and normalized are such that it is impossible to grow up white in this country without absorbing some of the background racism a little. It's something you can and have to work against, but it doesn't render all of us unreachable or fundamentally incapable of empathy If you're racist enough to think that MLK shouldn't have a holiday then you are incredibly racist.
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how racist do you have to be to not see that the original post that triggered this discussion was maybe not a white person justifying racism.
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fruit on the bottom posted:The insidious ways that racism are systematically enforced and normalized are such that it is impossible to grow up without absorbing some of the background racism a little. It's something you can and have to work against, but it doesn't render all of us unreachable or fundamentally incapable of empathy It was an easy fix, but I done fix'd it.
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therobit posted:Are you gonna tell your spouse "We ain't going over for Christmas because your dad has lovely views?" Your goddamn right I am. I've cut people out of my life for less.
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Improbable Lobster posted:If you're racist enough to think that MLK shouldn't have a holiday then you are incredibly racist. Yeah if you're willing to turn down a possible day off work because it honors a black man (who absolutely deserves it) you are incredibly, extremely, probably irredeemably racist.
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WampaLord posted:Your goddamn right I am. I take it you must not be friends with any white people over 50 then. Or any republicans. Or anyone who doesn't share your exact political views.
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therobit posted:I take it you must not be friends with any white people over 50 then. Or any republicans. Or anyone who doesn't share your exact political views. No, shockingly, there are people meeting those descriptions who manage to not be racist. Or who knows, maybe they are racist but at least they're smart enough to not say racist poo poo. It's not surrounding yourself with a liberal bubble to want friends who don't say the n-word, for example.
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therobit posted:You can be racist and still be an otherwise good person.
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therobit posted:I take it you must not be friends with any white people over 50 then. Or any republicans. Or anyone who doesn't share your exact political views. Exact same political views, lol you are the guy who believes their are good nazis right?
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The core point that there is a huge and widespread body of internalized racism and it's impractical and ultimately self-defeating to demand absolute ideological purity on racial issues is a good one, but there's a gap between that and tacitly supporting outspoken racism.
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Not in any real practical term tho. It's solely a solve to make you feel better.
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Feb 27, 2017 07:20
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therobit posted:Most whites in America are to some degree racism, whether they are conscious of it or not. And it seems you've done your part in enabling them.
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Feb 27, 2017 07:21
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This is the worst loving derail ever.
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nobody cares how racist you are. imagine being the mother and getting bombarded with texts first from your crazy daughter-in-law saying "it is hosed up that your family entertains this Homosexual, don't you know she has designs on your quirky daughter??" and then from the childhood best friend going "actually your daughter's tits are way too big for me and i couldn't handle that"  everyone involved in that story
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CharlestheHammer posted:Exact same political views, lol you are the guy who believes their are good nazis right? Yup, you got me there that is exactly what I said.
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therobit posted:Yup, you got me there that is exactly what I said. Ah so you can assume about others but we don't get the same luxury.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Ah so you can assume about others but we don't get the same luxury. I thought I was pretty clear in saying that I just don't think you should gently caress with your SO's family and thay way more people are racist than will admit it but apparently nobody here ever had a racist grandparent or other relative thay they still loved. My comment about lesbians being good people was really more about the mindset of religious people who think they aren't and that I am more likely to side with a lesbian over a Christian in that argument. It was hamfisted.
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Pretty much 90% of people in the world are somewhat to insanely racist imo
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I consider myself not racist, but there have been times when a racist thought has intruded upon my perfect mind
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Psycho Society posted:Pretty much 90% of people in the world are somewhat to insanely racist imo didn't we already have the 'no, the degenerates you hang around are not a stand-in for all americans/humanity just because they're everybody you know' talk ITT Dunning Krugerrand posted:I (M27) lost control on a date in front of her (F21) whole family. What can I do now? aaaaaaaa I can't stop screamiiiiiiiiing I (27) lost control on a date and insulted (21) her whole family, what can I do now? [UPDATES] quote:Just want to clear something up. My date never had a profile on the dating site. She was browsing through with her friend who has a profile and they were looking for a date for her friend. It was the friend who originally messaged me to set me up with my date. Also, I deleted my profile. I'm totally done with online dating. I've been in this city two years now so I'm gonna just go out and meet people the old fashioned way. It just feels less risky somehow. that dude is going to wind up a skinsuit but nobody can say he wasn't warned.
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#EndJewishPrivilege #KillAllJews (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Well I'm glad it's just the family that's insane and the women herself just is really naive maybe instead of being one of those 'I must let my overbearing family make all my decisions for me therefore my first date must be a family gang interrogation' type crazies 
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lazorexplosion posted:Well I'm glad it's just the family that's insane and the women herself just is really naive maybe instead of being one of those 'I must let my overbearing family make all my decisions for me therefore my first date must be a family gang interrogation' type crazies why did she bring him there in the first place i think its a bit beyond naivety, like just don't loving even bring him in there unless you're really crazy and/or stupid
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Some part of me hopes they work it out cause hey least he knows what stupid family bullshit he's going to be dealing with, better the devil you know and all that. Also I'll date the mom if he isn't, she sounds pretty cool if she took everyone to task.
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