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FactsAreUseless posted:Endgame content should be unfair. That's the whole point. It's for players who think they've mastered the game to be challenged. Especially in something like Path, which is all about learning the game's mechanics and skills and what is or isn't effective (which is why I don't like to reference builds online, but instead learn them on my own). But the Labyrinth isn't endgame, or even necessarily high-level. It's just made more difficult by some iffy mechanics. So you are saying the "endgame labyrinth", as ggg itself has coined it on various occasions, doesn't qualify as endgame, then uhhh, well..hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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please knock Mom! posted:Just guess, if you guess wrong it doesn't matter since everyone will be thinking of the smiley you meant to use anyway  Im sure you can figure it out.
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Duck and Cover posted:Sure is you got to find them. only for the endgame lab https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1k9_Njm5jFKhvy4lapv2lQvYlSCbxHVJvDejzqVtKjSY/edit#slide=id.g167d23c5d7_0_4 is a neat read for people who want to know a bit about why lab is the way it is.
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please knock Mom! posted:Trial of burning rage is too long I used to get 1-5 fps in that trial. So much fun
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@FAU: For me a major part of an appeal is the implied necessity of impeccable execution, i.e. having just a single go at it, not to sound like a Soviet English teacher from early 50s. Which is why I would find it lame to be able to bail out of Izaro or the Labyrinth for brief bit, or something along the lines.
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Duck and Cover posted:Sure is you got to find them.
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also being able to just log out multiple times would make it too easy to cheese some of the traps and stuff god forbid GGG makes part of the game where consequences matter, even in softcore
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MannersPlease posted:So you are saying the "endgame labyrinth", as ggg itself has coined it on various occasions, doesn't qualify as endgame, then uhhh, well..hmmmmmmmmmmmm It's kinda true though, if you can do the actual endgame bosses like Shaper or Uber Atziri (not even like, consistently or anything, just have a chance against them) then Uber Lab is completely trivial and you probably do enough damage to kill Izaro in about 3 seconds I mean it's endgame the same way T3 maps are endgame. It was endgame but it's kinda gotten left behind a lot at this point.
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Fighting izaro is a lot of fun in hardcore. I enjoy the variety of the fights and the mechanics of his attacks. He's probably killed more of my characters than anything else, and there's exactly one of them that I'd blame on game issues. Whirling blades with very fast attack speed has hosed up targeting and sometimes sends you back to where you started on a second activation. I managed to whirl myself away from and then back into a pain aura as his giant crescent slash was passing through it. 7k to dead. Working through the labyrinth itself gets tiresome after a while though, especially on builds with low/no regen where you have to slow to a crawl. The traps are cool at first but once the novelty wears off they're mostly just annoying.
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funmanguy posted:Sorry man, this is a massive pile of when i see a new one that i like i spam it in various places to get it in my memory
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Mr. Despair posted:only for the endgame lab Yeah as I said uber lab. I get the feeling reading that will make me angry so I guess I will. (maybe) cinci zoo sniper posted:That can be trivialised if you are not a shut-in and have some liquid cash for prophecies. Whoaaa really?!!! Rng or even more of a chore either way sucks. Here's a secret your build is either good for lab and you breeze through it or bad and you either out level/have someone carry you. Players may act like they want a challenge (in an action rpg), but they really don't. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Feb 27, 2017 |
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Being able to portal in-and-out of lab doesn't make sense thematically either. It's a trial that Izaro built to find an heir to his throne. I doubt Chitus was able to portal out of it to refill his pots, so why should you?  gently caress Charge Disruptors with a rusty fork though.
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Feb 27, 2017 23:18
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In 3.0 they should just change it to Lab and Uber Lab (I assume they're planning to do so as it'd be real silly to make you go in there twice while leveling without the difficulty-replay as an excuse) and it's fine. Going through it four times just for your ascendancy is tedious.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:@FAU: For me a major part of an appeal is the implied necessity of impeccable execution, i.e. having just a single go at it, not to sound like a Soviet English teacher from early 50s. Which is why I would find it lame to be able to bail out of Izaro or the Labyrinth for brief bit, or something along the lines.
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Insurrectionist posted:In 3.0 they should just change it to Lab and Uber Lab (I assume they're planning to do so as it'd be real silly to make you go in there twice while leveling without the difficulty-replay as an excuse) and it's fine. Going through it four times just for your ascendancy is tedious. i think we are going to sarn twice still. the extra acts are revisits
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There should just be checkpoints after each Izaro fight, but everything resets if you die or whatever. There are still consequences for dying, you just won't have to do the ENTIRE GODDAMN THING all over again if you lag out or something stupid like that. Also I agree more traps would be nice.
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Feb 27, 2017 23:22
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there should be a fast pass line for money havers. if i put two offerings in i get a boss rush lab with 3 connected trials and nothing else (oh i guess throw argus in a mini connecting zone).
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Awesome! posted:i think we are going to sarn twice still. the extra acts are revisits Yeah but presumably we're doing new things there. What did they find a second Izaro and shoved him in the Lab too while I was off loving over Malachai? E: Seriously though, at least when running Uber Lab you can just do them when it's a nice layout and you can memorize the path and you have leveled movement gems and poo poo so it can be fast. Even slow builds for slow characters can do it in 10 minutes. Low-level Labs are soooooo slooooow.
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I liked the suggestion someone made before where normal lab (or its equivalent in 3.0) eliminates the first two Izaro phases and skips right to the final fight. Cruel lab adds one middle phase and Merc and Uber labs stay the same.
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Insurrectionist posted:Yeah but presumably we're doing new things there. What did they find a second Izaro and shoved him in the Lab too while I was off loving over Malachai? twin brother
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Awesome! posted:there should be a fast pass line for money havers. if i put two offerings in i get a boss rush lab with 3 connected trials and nothing else (oh i guess throw argus in a mini connecting zone).
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Insurrectionist posted:It's kinda true though, if you can do the actual endgame bosses like Shaper or Uber Atziri (not even like, consistently or anything, just have a chance against them) then Uber Lab is completely trivial and you probably do enough damage to kill Izaro in about 3 seconds ...uber lab is like a t3 map 
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Maybe a slight exaggeration but if you're not HC and have to be terrified of Izaro you can easily do Uber Lab before you reach double-digit-level maps. I did it on both my first characters and I was (and am, though not as much) poo poo at the game. E: And also I was playing life-based Arc Witch and ED so not exactly supreme Izaro killers, though granted also not melee.
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Insurrectionist posted:Yeah but presumably we're doing new things there. What did they find a second Izaro and shoved him in the Lab too while I was off loving over Malachai?
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Awesome! posted:twin brother Named "Bizaro"
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When Izaro does that attack that showers an area with little orbs or whatever, each orb should spawn an Izaro.
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First lab should have no Izaro imo, just traps Izero
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Each treasure chest should have the chance to spawn an Izaro or Argus. In actual news: https://twitter.com/pathofexile/status/836343092806463488  Kinda want to do Mjolner again...
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funmanguy posted:
Paging jeoh Tetten!
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C'mon GGG hurry up and migrate my stuff to standard so I can combine my currency/essence/card tabs and enjoy a brief moment of satisfaction
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FactsAreUseless posted:When Izaro does that attack that showers an area with little orbs or whatever, each orb should spawn an Izaro. I would throw money at GGG for a mini izaro pet that throws random voiced lines out. I love his voice actor.
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Ougher posted:I would throw money at GGG for a mini izaro pet that throws random voiced lines out. I love his voice actor.
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Fracturing Izaro.
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Awesome! posted:wait is breach done now?
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Awesome! posted:wait is breach done now? Yeah, dead league. Also mjol change seems meh.
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Ougher posted:I would throw money at GGG for a mini izaro pet that throws random voiced lines out. I love his voice actor. Same but it would be Shavronne saying "What a gorgeous fighter!" every four seconds and also other players have to be able to hear it.
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whypick1 posted:Each treasure chest should have the chance to spawn an Izaro or Argus.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Yep, yesterday. drat i found that sick helmet last night and bought a nice 5ex ring and was going to try to do guardians and poo poo finally. ah well i guess i can do that in standard for a few days.
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Same, but it's a miniature Sinistar from Sinistar and it says all the Sinistar lines loudly and constantly.
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