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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Sometimes heal patients; sometimes execute dangerous criminals.

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Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

The Iron Rose posted:

this is why I always cheated and maxed out my paragon and renegade meters every single time I played

:same:

gently caress taking the time to get enough renegon points when I could be out there solving my crew members family issues with the liberal application of shooting the problem.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


precision posted:

The Paragon/Renegade system sucks very badly in ME2 because if you don't pick the same one roughly 90% of every time it comes up, you will fail a ton of dialogue checks.

I recently did an ME2 playthrough where I flipped a coin every time there was a Paragon/Renegade choice and I wasn't able to get anything done. Centrist Shepard Worst Shepard.

OniPanda
May 13, 2004

OH GOD BEAR




Kurieg posted:

Me too, headbutt the krogan and be a dick to uvenk because that's basically what they expect and want.

If you don't headbutt Uvenk no matter what kind of play through you're doing, I don't even know what the gently caress you're doing with your life

Seemlar
Jun 18, 2002
I'm glad ME3 neutralized the Paragon/Renegade split regarding choices because imagine a world where a Paragon couldn't pick the Renegade resolution of the Rannoch arc

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Lycus posted:

While they shouldn't have big gameplay based stuff dependent on dialogue checks, you can also choose not to care so much about them. Morinth is a basically just a secret for a later playthrough, not a choice a reasonable Shepard would make, and getting through the Suicide Mission without Miranda/Jack's or Tali/Legion's loyalty isn't hard. You still get their bonus power. The other dialogue checks are mostly useless, and are often less entertaining than the non-check options ("You're forgetting something, Vasir. I was a Spectre too.")(Punching the Citadel crime boss).

While I know that's true from a logical standpoint, it just bugs me so much to see both options greyed out. It makes me feel like the failure I am IRL

Just kidding

Kinda

I mean at least I have a cool wife and a guitar and a bottle of wine

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin

Lotta posters in this thread didn't have their placeholder personalities replaced before launch

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

8-bit Miniboss posted:

My favorite line to this day is "That makes you a criminal, I can kill criminals." *looks lovingly at gun*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEUYr40K05U

I wonder if they're gonna explain Parasini's noted absence in ME3 by throwing her into Andromeda if she's flagged "alive".

comatose
Nov 23, 2005

Lipstick Apathy
I hope Andromeda has a better mission journal than ME3 cos holy poo poo that thing was bad. It got progressively worse as the series went on too. ME1 was great and actually updated where you needed to go in multi part missions and I think ME2 sort of did as well. ME3 is just like "Yo theres a thing in the Butt System go get it and bring it back to Bob Alien on the Citadel."

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



comatose posted:

I hope Andromeda has a better mission journal than ME3 cos holy poo poo that thing was bad. It got progressively worse as the series went on too. ME1 was great and actually updated where you needed to go in multi part missions and I think ME2 sort of did as well. ME3 is just like "Yo theres a thing in the Butt System go get it and bring it back to Bob Alien on the Citadel."

It's pretty likely it'll be better. ME3's journal was a literal last minute addition, as in almost at launch someone said "Holy poo poo, we need a journal, don't we?"

Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.

Groetgaffel posted:

Correct, there's no morality meter of any kind, thank gently caress.
Instead you're free to chose whatever tone you feel is appropriate. You know, actually role playing instead of just picking the blue option all game long.

Choosing what I felt was appropriate was literally what I did through all three games. I leaned renegade in the main (headbutt/shoot rear end in a top hat krogans, intimidate chumps, and generally take zero poo poo from anyone) while giving the Rachni a chance, sparing the colonists and council, helping out pals and what have you. The only things I missed out on were the 80% paragon mission to save the Sirta Foundation scientists (couldn't pass up the 'diplomancy' mission to the warlord), and three persaude options (while still having the option to use the intimidate equivalent).

Anyone who thinks the only way to play was by sticking religiously to a single mindset 100% of the time is a sucker.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
The beauty of the Rachni decision is that it's really easy to justify it as paragon or renegade depending on what you think paragon/renegade means.

Which is kinda the big problem. Paragon and renegade don't mean anything. Is renegade "devoted to humanity?" is it "devoted to galatic stability?" About all that's concrete about being 'renegade' as an ideology is that it's an "at all costs" sorta dealio, and that's kinda meaningless unless you know what it is you're pursuing at all costs in the first place.

At the absolute most defined the two systems get is "optimistic" and "cynical."

Which might be all they needed to be, I dunno.

I do have to say that I really liked how sparing the Rachni bit you in the rear end because Christ was that ever a dumb decision.

neonbregna
Aug 20, 2007

PureRok posted:

I got banned from the multiplayer shortly after the Geth was first added. I assume it's because I did this (since I can't think of what else I could have done).

You think I'd be able to get them to lift my ban now? I never got to enjoy the multiplayer thanks to that.

I added billions of credits to my account but would occasionally give them 20 bux for credits and no bans.

neonbregna
Aug 20, 2007

Evil Canadian posted:

I hope Drack has an edge to him other than being Wrex 2.0. Like, Drack is pro-genophage and knows all Krogan are fuckups.

So Drack is cool and good?

neonbregna
Aug 20, 2007

The Iron Rose posted:

The beauty of the Rachni decision is that it's really easy to justify it as paragon or renegade depending on what you think paragon/renegade means.

Which is kinda the big problem. Paragon and renegade don't mean anything. Is renegade "devoted to humanity?" is it "devoted to galatic stability?" About all that's concrete about being 'renegade' as an ideology is that it's an "at all costs" sorta dealio, and that's kinda meaningless unless you know what it is you're pursuing at all costs in the first place.

At the absolute most defined the two systems get is "optimistic" and "cynical."

Which might be all they needed to be, I dunno.

I do have to say that I really liked how sparing the Rachni bit you in the rear end because Christ was that ever a dumb decision.

This is pretty meta if you realize that video games mean nothing.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

The Iron Rose posted:

The beauty of the Rachni decision is that it's really easy to justify it as paragon or renegade depending on what you think paragon/renegade means.

Which is kinda the big problem. Paragon and renegade don't mean anything. Is renegade "devoted to humanity?" is it "devoted to galatic stability?" About all that's concrete about being 'renegade' as an ideology is that it's an "at all costs" sorta dealio, and that's kinda meaningless unless you know what it is you're pursuing at all costs in the first place.

At the absolute most defined the two systems get is "optimistic" and "cynical."

Which might be all they needed to be, I dunno.

I do have to say that I really liked how sparing the Rachni bit you in the rear end because Christ was that ever a dumb decision.

Sparing the Rachni doesn't really bite you at all though. The Reapers just "construct an artificial Queen" even if you didn't.

The real Queen remains a trustworthy ally if saved in 3, whereas the artificial Queen goes rogue. If anything, sparing the Rachni is the opposite of biting you in the rear end.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

So I just read that Peter Moore has left EA to be CEO of the Liverpool Football Club. I mean he mostly managed the EA Sports stuff anyway, so he likely had little effect on something like Mass Effect in the main, but still, interesting departure.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

The Iron Rose posted:

The beauty of the Rachni decision is that it's really easy to justify it as paragon or renegade depending on what you think paragon/renegade means.

Which is kinda the big problem. Paragon and renegade don't mean anything. Is renegade "devoted to humanity?" is it "devoted to galatic stability?" About all that's concrete about being 'renegade' as an ideology is that it's an "at all costs" sorta dealio, and that's kinda meaningless unless you know what it is you're pursuing at all costs in the first place.

At the absolute most defined the two systems get is "optimistic" and "cynical."

Which might be all they needed to be, I dunno.

I do have to say that I really liked how sparing the Rachni bit you in the rear end because Christ was that ever a dumb decision.

Uh, sparing the Rachni didn't bite you in the rear end if you did it consistently in 1 and 3. It only bit you in the rear end if you were dumb enough to go "gee I'd better let this zombified resurrected reaper created monstrosity live" in 3 after killing the Rachni in 1.

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


Yo is this game gonna be cool? i saw the one demo with the weird lips and bad gun takeaway but has anything to come out since then made it look good

Mr. Baps
Apr 16, 2008

Yo ho?

Ramadu posted:

Yo is this game gonna be cool? i saw the one demo with the weird lips and bad gun takeaway but has anything to come out since then made it look good

Combat looks fun, companions and writing are going to be Very Bioware. That's about all we know.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Ramadu posted:

Yo is this game gonna be cool? i saw the one demo with the weird lips and bad gun takeaway but has anything to come out since then made it look good

Most of the other stuff has looked pretty good.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


Ramadu posted:

Yo is this game gonna be cool? i saw the one demo with the weird lips and bad gun takeaway but has anything to come out since then made it look good

https://twitter.com/voidsexts/status/376855626280087552

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Renegade is all about being too cool for school :cool:, but Mass Effect was written by kids on the honor roll who stayed after class to dust erasers.

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin

marshmallow creep posted:

Renegade is all about being too cool for school :cool:, but Mass Effect was written by kids on the honor roll who stayed after class to dust erasers.

Counterpoint: Paragon shep was written by fans of Jean-Luc Picard, renegade shep was written by fans of Linkin Park

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Ramadu posted:

Yo is this game gonna be cool? i saw the one demo with the weird lips and bad gun takeaway but has anything to come out since then made it look good

Try these and see what you think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrWgLMH8yRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3q_Nd5arZM

Thor-Stryker
Nov 11, 2005
It's even sadder when you consider that majority of interesting story decisions don't make a difference at all to any outcomes.

Save/Kill the Rachni? You get a war asset boost in 3.
Cure Genophage? Get some text at the end of 3.
Save the Quarians and+or the Geth? Kill them all with the Red ending anyways.
Collector Base? Change the name to Heart or Brain and get a war asset for 3.
Leviathan Brain Washing team? War assets.



Basically, anything cool you do is never reflected in gameplay or in the story, its all an illusion of choice.

neonbregna
Aug 20, 2007

Ramadu posted:

Yo is this game gonna be cool? i saw the one demo with the weird lips and bad gun takeaway but has anything to come out since then made it look good

If you ignore the writing and some bioware dude tweeting that they made soft core porn the gameplay should be cool and good as long as not being able to select your pronouns doesn't chafe you.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
In ME1 Renegade FemShep has about two dozen responses that are slight variations on the phrase "Why the hell should I care?" and it's fantastic

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Some excerpts from the upcoming art book courtesy of the Nerdist.





edit: And some more phone wallpapers or whatever




Tom Taylorson posted:

I love how Sara's ready to roll.

And Scott's like "Hold on a sec... Ooo! My cute pyjak picture got a like!"

marshmallow creep fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Feb 28, 2017

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Holy poo poo I hope Vetra keeps some of those long rear end scarves.

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

Thor-Stryker posted:

It's even sadder when you consider that majority of interesting story decisions don't make a difference at all to any outcomes.

Save/Kill the Rachni? You get a war asset boost in 3.
Cure Genophage? Get some text at the end of 3.
Save the Quarians and+or the Geth? Kill them all with the Red ending anyways.
Collector Base? Change the name to Heart or Brain and get a war asset for 3.
Leviathan Brain Washing team? War assets.



Basically, anything cool you do is never reflected in gameplay or in the story, its all an illusion of choice.
In all honesty, the Wrex / Mordin reactivity was cooler than anything that happens in Witcher 3

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'
The Tempest is a ridiculously ugly ship.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Burkion posted:

Holy poo poo I hope Vetra keeps some of those long rear end scarves.

Some of those designs she's basically the turian version of Pharah.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

marshmallow creep posted:

Some of those designs she's basically the turian version of Pharah.

I am A-OK with this.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Milky Moor posted:

The Tempest is a ridiculously ugly ship.

Don't get why a bunch of people feel this way.

Serf
May 5, 2011


The Tempest is just kinda boring because it looks like Normandy again.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Why must everything be shaped like a dick?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
I think the Tempest will look better in motion, though those bow canards are rather silly. The original recipe Normandy was also a pretty goofy-looking boat.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Thor-Stryker posted:

It's even sadder when you consider that majority of interesting story decisions don't make a difference at all to any outcomes.

Save/Kill the Rachni? You get a war asset boost in 3.
Cure Genophage? Get some text at the end of 3.
Save the Quarians and+or the Geth? Kill them all with the Red ending anyways.
Collector Base? Change the name to Heart or Brain and get a war asset for 3.
Leviathan Brain Washing team? War assets.



Basically, anything cool you do is never reflected in gameplay or in the story, its all an illusion of choice.

Only if you only consider the last five minutes of the game in terms of 'outcome'.

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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Fangz posted:

Only if you only consider the last five minutes of the game in terms of 'outcome'.

Yes, the outcome is the final state of something.

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