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SpaceGoatFarts posted:The point is this; you seem to base your posts in this thread on an awful lot of assumptions and not facts. Just like people who believe the sun orbits the earth, you saying "I bet a huge percentage of people believe that the police kill african-americans at a much higher rate" won't magically bend reality to your beliefs. What are you babbling about even? I'm telling you what the common conception of reality is, along with the mainstream media narrative. What do you think Black Lives Matters is saying? What is their position
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Spunky didnt read goat's post so he's just gonna be a dick about it and refuse to understand It's hard being donald j trump in real life isn't it spunky
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Feb 28, 2017 16:41
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Jukebox Hero posted:Name one conservative belief that doesn't amount to "people shouldn't have so much freedom" or "poor = bad" or "jesus should be president" Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, strong national defense, limited government intrusion in the market, to name a few tenets. Don't be one of those binary goofs who considers a significant chunk of the voting population your enemy. The leadership of both parties have been corrupted by greed and work to further their own interests above ours. Regular American liberals and conservatives have more in common with each other than they do with the politicians they vote for.
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Feb 28, 2017 16:42
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:What are you babbling about even? I'm telling you what the common conception of reality is Then why don't you post the figures backing your claim that "I bet a huge percentage of people believe that the police kill african-americans at a much higher rate" ? It's shouldn't be difficult if this is the common conception. Or is it just stuff you are pulling out of your rear end like Spicer claiming "That was the largest audience to witness an inauguration, period."
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:Then why don't you post the figures backing your claim that "I bet a huge percentage of people believe that the police kill african-americans at a much higher rate" ? "The same Pew poll, for example, shows 84 percent of black Americans think the police treat black people unfairly vs. 50 percent of whites who think so; on no other issue were blacks so united. And you need only observe the march of history to see this simple reality." If you keep poking me I probably will find the statistic to prove you wrong lol so keep it up
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:If you keep poking me I probably will find the statistic to prove you wrong lol so keep it up please do
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Feb 28, 2017 16:49
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:please do http://www.people-press.org/2014/08/25/few-say-police-forces-nationally-do-well-in-treating-races-equally/ You can parse all these stats out.
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Feb 28, 2017 16:57
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:http://www.people-press.org/2014/08/25/few-say-police-forces-nationally-do-well-in-treating-races-equally/ These are the figures you were actually looking for  I let you draw your own biased conclusions regarding how that totally shows a huge percentage of Americans believe police kills blacks at a higher rate
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Conservatives in office means harder times for the LGBT members of my family. This means I blanket oppose them. Or are we pretending conservatives actually like gay people today
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Kjoery posted:hi spunky please listen to me counterpoint: university campuses and nearby areas, also san francisco
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a bone to pick posted:he actually said it, the absolute madman! JEB!!!
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:counterpoint: university campuses and nearby areas, also san francisco Your experience is worth more than other people's.
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Jukebox Hero posted:Conservatives in office means harder times for the LGBT members of my family. This means I blanket oppose them. i think the general gist is that they're fine with gay people now but people cutting off their genitalia for no raisin is still icky
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satanic splash-back posted:Your experience is worth more than other people's. im glad to know i'm doing the id politic thing right
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:i think the general gist is that they're fine with gay people now but people cutting off their genitalia for no raisin is still icky I support as many dicks and vaginas possible being made incapable of reproduction; I'm just glad at least a few people are doing it willingly apparently and I'm mad republicans want to put a stop to it
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Jukebox Hero posted:Conservatives in office means harder times for the LGBT members of my family. This means I blanket oppose them. note that "support" means that the gay marriage law should be struck down (it should be decided on a state by state basis!) and voting for Mike Pence (lol) they openly fukken hate trans people though
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Kjoery posted:ps the salad wrap was delicious I like ya dude, but that is a disgusting looking salad wrap.
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Toadvine posted:Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, strong national defense, limited government intrusion in the market, to name a few tenets. One of my professors once summed it up pretty well, conservatives want you to die alone and penniless so they can make money, democrats are at least self aware enough to throw a bone to keep the masses placated.
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i feel like the GOP hates everyone that isn't a rich white person, preferably a man the dems are pro-rich people too but at least they aren't super religious about it and poo poo but both parties suck as they are right now. for the most part the Dems are giving token resistance whereas 8 years ago the GOP was throwing all kinds of wrenches into everything. They could be doing more but instead half of them are just going "it's okay, sometimes there's a GOP in the white house and sometimes there's a Dem! We recovered after Reagan we'll recover after this [thinking only of the party lol]!" Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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King Vidiot posted:I like ya dude, but that is a disgusting looking salad wrap. (it was p delicious, but yeah it was gross as hell. maybe one day...)
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Moridin920 posted:i feel like the GOP hates everyone that isn't a rich white person, preferably a man I mean..not to be the radical leftist but one party wants to deny everyone healthcare and keep children from eating lunch. I find it really hard to not consider that immoral.
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Mordor She Wrote posted:I mean..not to be the radical leftist but one party wants to deny everyone healthcare and keep children from eating lunch. I find it really hard to not consider that immoral. no they're evil fucks don't get me wrong just look at the first stuff they do: attack ethics rules, talk about raising military spending 10% funded by cuts to either other gov't agencies or medicare/SS, appoint and confirm billionaires to office, attack women's healthcare at every turn, push Bibles in classrooms, attack science, remove environmental protections, openly call for the blurring of the church/state line, etc. Saying Obamacare has death panels years and years after that is an established falsehood while promoting their own health plans what are great if you are rich and lol get hosed if you are poor (health savings accounts are a huge lmao but basically all their proposals suck). Ryan's brilliant idea is high risk pools, defeating the entire point of a risk pool in the first place. Then the gov't gets to pay for those now extremely expensive high risk pools and also they won't fund it well enough so those people who need medical care the most are least able to afford it lmao. I don't like the Dems because they're just capitalism with a human face but yeah I prefer them to the GOP in general. You could argue that the Dems are just the GOP's foil and they wouldn't get anything meaningful done on their own but I dunno man I think that without the GOP we would have had single payer and that would have been way better. look at this ex GOP congressman https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/829163025777250305 look at the open "I don't give a gently caress about other people" (also that dude skips on paying child support) Look at people like Henry Kissinger I don't think that's all conservatives though mind you, I just think that's the state of the GOP right now - which has long since stopped representing any sane conservative values imo. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Moridin920 posted:Saying Obamacare has death panels years and years after that is an established falsehood
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Kjoery posted:all im asking is where Barrack "Hussein" Obama's birth certificate was when he preformed a Terrorist Fist Jab at his wife Maaan, those were good times. Old white people were so adorable freaking out about fistbumps.
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Death panels are a logical conclusion of communism / socialism. How can you have a system that spends billions on the elderly / terminally ill. Eventually you have to draw a line somewhere and say "this is a waste of money" That's the kind of decision your glorious computer leaders will eventually make
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^^^ you're right, it's much better to push this kind of decision making on the people who are actually dying and their loved ones The answers are: Don't. Yes. Yes. Yes. No.
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runupon cracker posted:The answers are: Don't. Yes. Yes. Yes. here comes the right to work constitution amendment lmao
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Death panels are a logical conclusion of communism / socialism. A spurious argument based on nothing but your gut feels comrade. Why would a system designed around not glorifying money above all else execute our elders and sick for money? quote:How can you have a system that spends billions on the elderly / terminally ill. Eventually you have to draw a line somewhere and say "this is a waste of money" Also the entire point is that 1 giant risk pool = lowest costs for all so........
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Moridin920 posted:look at this ex GOP congressman I love how the answer to all of his questions is "yes" but he was being facetious about them. But as an addendum, everybody should have that right and not just hypothetically Joe Walsh.
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runupon cracker posted:The answers are: Don't. Yes. Yes. Yes. Instead of worrying about the government doing everything for you, why not think about ways to get rich people to stupidly part with their money. I just walked past a Upscale Pet Store that sells "holistic" and "organic" food and treats for dogs and the store is huge. Its right across from a dog park too. Like the mark up in there is probably 3000%
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:why not think about ways to get rich people to stupidly part with their money. every day I do this, comrade every day 
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Moridin920 posted:A spurious argument based on nothing but your gut feels comrade. Why would a system designed around not glorifying money above all else execute our elders and sick for money? Because the system would have to be fair to every one, and if it was not feasible to keep pumping resources into certain people it would have to terminate those resources to keep the system in tact. Why is this not hard to understand. The system would come first in these situations.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Because the system would have to be fair to every one, and if it was not feasible to keep pumping resources into certain people it would have to terminate those resources to keep the system in tact. Is your understanding of socialism just based on some agit-prop and Harrison Bergeron though? Why is it 'fair' to kill old people exactly? Did they not contribute to the system during their life or something? quote:Why is this not hard to understand. The system would come first in these situations. And people don't die for capitalism every day? People don't starve in the streets like dogs in the name of our system?
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:here comes the right to work constitution amendment lmao sorry, but it's a logical conclusion of being a society that forces people to have monetary income to survive if you aren't willing to let people just roll up on an unoccupied piece of land and build their own housing, hunt, farm, and fish, then y'all better be prepared to provide the necessities for those who can't obtain them otherwise. edit: I'm also pretty surprised when conservatives aren't on board with that kind of extreme bootstrapping.
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runupon cracker posted:sorry, but it's a logical conclusion of being a society that forces people to have monetary income to survive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law
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Moridin920 posted:Is your understanding of socialism just based on some agit-prop and Harrison Bergeron though? Yes, the system isn't fair right now either. But it can never be fair unless we put hard lines in the sand like "people can only live until 65" "you're only allowed X amount of health care and beyond that it's not feasible" You're working off the premise like there is unlimited everything
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The system has deemed these people unworthy of the resources needed to sustain them... Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Yes, the system isn't fair right now either. But it can never be fair unless we put hard lines in the sand like "people can only live until 65" "you're only allowed X amount of health care and beyond that it's not feasible" That's a weirdo definition of "fair" and there doesn't have to be unlimited everything for people to share in what we do have equitably without 8 people owning 50% of the world's wealth. We have more than enough resources as is to end global poverty in a decade.
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Yah, but don't sell the other idea like it is utopia with unlimited everything. Embrace the realities of it, like death panels, limits on number of children per household, etc
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Yah, but don't sell the other idea like it is utopia with unlimited everything. Embrace the realities of it, like death panels, limits on number of children per household, etc Point to where in Das Kapital or any of Lenin's stuff it talks about the necessity of death panels for the sick/old and/or state population controls. There's no reason for either of those things. Idk where the death panels for the old is coming from at all but as to the second point Mao + Co were dumbasses.
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