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MikeJF posted:JAG Trek would be great for four episodes and then run out of premise.
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Nessus posted:The big problem is that you don't have any implicit understanding of how poo poo works in order to contextualize things. You could probably get a few episodes, maybe even a short series, out of something that uses that as leverage, especially if you had some core reason to explain why Ensign Dumbfuck occasionally needs exposition drops. That's why a shift into doing stuff like this as mini-arcs would be a good idea. You can contextualise it over the course of several episodes.
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Feb 28, 2017 10:52
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I'd settle for a mini-series.
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Feb 28, 2017 10:58
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MikeJF posted:That's why a shift into doing stuff like this as mini-arcs would be a good idea. You can contextualise it over the course of several episodes.
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Feb 28, 2017 11:04
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An ensign is walking through the JAG office and people keep piling padds into his arms. Then he bumps into someone and the padds go flying *Record screech freeze frame* "Yep, that's me, JAG officer junior grade Floopinox. I'll bet you're wondering how I got into this mess."
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Feb 28, 2017 14:17
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MikeJF posted:JAG Trek would be great for four episodes and then run out of premise. I came here to do a procedural TV joke and realized the beauty of Trek is that they can do a different random genre procedural at any time and people will either eat it up or be too dumb to notice that the space people on the magic screen are being all detective-y this week.
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Feb 28, 2017 15:20
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It's not like JAG was Perry Mason or something. The show, from what I remember, tried to vary its setting quite a bit and had dramatic arcs.
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Feb 28, 2017 15:35
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King Hong Kong posted:It's not like JAG was Perry Mason or something. Murder She Wrote: Luxanna Edition.
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Feb 28, 2017 15:41
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Orv posted:Murder She Wrote: Luxanna Edition. Don't murder Luxwanna 
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Feb 28, 2017 16:21
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King Hong Kong posted:It's not like JAG was Perry Mason or something. The show, from what I remember, tried to vary its setting quite a bit and had dramatic arcs. Yeah that's why I joked about it being more believable in space, because it was pretty ridiculous what kind of antics the superlawyer, his hot co-superlawyer, and their bumbling sidekick would get into.
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Feb 28, 2017 16:22
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Orv posted:Murder She Wrote: Luxanna Edition. That would just end in five minutes after she talks to the suspect and he/she thinks "I hope they don't find out I did it."
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Feb 28, 2017 17:04
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What if every murderer was a Ferengi?
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Feb 28, 2017 17:07
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Another win for racial profiling?
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Feb 28, 2017 17:09
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King Hong Kong posted:It's not like JAG was Perry Mason or something. The show, from what I remember, tried to vary its setting quite a bit and had dramatic arcs. It did. Leaving aside all the "A JAG officer goes running off to do something based on their backstory" arcs, JAG is a beautiful setting for doing legal procedurals. Out of the same cast of characters they could, from episode to episode investigate, prosecute, defend, and even sit in judgement. Supreme flexibility. Plus all the landing word things on aircraft carriers plots. Starfleet JAG would be even more open to creativity.
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Feb 28, 2017 17:37
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I can't wait for the Space JAG episodes of "Engsign Whatever was caught doing Andorian space weed," "Yeoman Shitlord was found in possession of vulcan child pornography," and "Crewman Creeplord was murdered by Crewman clueless beacause Creeplord was boning Clueless' wife while Clueless was on assignment."
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Feb 28, 2017 18:29
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Cojawfee posted:I can't wait for the Space JAG episodes of "Engsign Whatever was caught doing Andorian space weed," "Yeoman Shitlord was found in possession of vulcan child pornography," and "Crewman Creeplord was murdered by Crewman clueless beacause Creeplord was boning Clueless' wife while Clueless was on assignment." then the Episode about the Horta who constantly keeps making structurally unstable tunnels in a space station after drinking too much and was charged with mining under the influence. or the one where Lt.buttlord stuck his dick inside of the warp core, and due to certain particles became a plasma based life form, but still wants his old benefits package and is suing starfleet. as well as the dozens of cases involving alien brain based shenanigans.
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Feb 28, 2017 18:47
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The reason why I wasn't at my post for two days is because Q kidnapped me and made me fight in an ancient Greek battle to prove the worth of humanity. So, you're welcome.
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Feb 28, 2017 19:23
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FYI, "Yesterday's Enterprise" is still pretty great.
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Feb 28, 2017 21:00
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CPColin posted:FYI, "Yesterday's Enterprise" is still pretty great. Same, but for The Visitor. I'm a grown man and I still cry every time.
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Feb 28, 2017 21:10
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Somehow I unbookmarked this thread unknowingly. I feel like the Enterprise C just cruising back into the present randomly
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Feb 28, 2017 21:50
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CPColin posted:FYI, "Yesterday's Enterprise" is still pretty great. It's an amazing episode, but I have one nitpick with it. The Enterprise-C came 22 years into the future. That's a long time, but not THAT long. They're acting like it's been a hundred years, that everything and everyone they've ever known is gone. But most of their families are probably still around, unless they got killed in the war. And 22 years ago is about when Picard was captain of the Stargazer. He and Captain Garrett are contemporaries; hell, they might have even been in the same graduating class at the Academy. Even if they never met, they almost certainly would have known some of the same people in the Fleet: "Hey, did you ever meet Admiral T'Laeshio? Yup, that's her, and she still hates that nickname. Would you believe she's still in command of Spacedock after all these years?" I have the same nitpick about Relics. That was 75 years instead of 22, but the same principle applies. Why the heck didn't anyone say to Scotty "Oh, remember your old shipmate Spock? Yeah, he's still around. It might be hard to get a hold of him on the spacephone at the moment since he's undercover on Romulus, but I'm sure we'll hear from him at some point. And hey, there's an Admiral Leonard McCoy in the phone book, do you know him?" Also, here's something to make you feel old: Yesterday's Enterprise was first aired 27 years ago this month. 
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Feb 28, 2017 22:36
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Powered Descent posted:I have the same nitpick about Relics. That was 75 years instead of 22, but the same principle applies. Why the heck didn't anyone say to Scotty "Oh, remember your old shipmate Spock? Yeah, he's still around. It might be hard to get a hold of him on the spacephone at the moment since he's undercover on Romulus, but I'm sure we'll hear from him at some point. And hey, there's an Admiral Leonard McCoy in the phone book, do you know him?" Also all your scotch is 75 years older now!
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Feb 28, 2017 23:08
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Brawnfire posted:Somehow I unbookmarked this thread unknowingly. I feel like the Enterprise C just cruising back into the present randomly But if we send you back through the rift, the new Star Trek show might not turn into a clusterfuck. One poster wont make a difference now, but back then, you could have made all the difference!
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Feb 28, 2017 23:15
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Powered Descent posted:It's an amazing episode, but I have one nitpick with it. The Enterprise-C came 22 years into the future. That's a long time, but not THAT long. They're acting like it's been a hundred years, that everything and everyone they've ever known is gone. But most of their families are probably still around, unless they got killed in the war. And 22 years ago is about when Picard was captain of the Stargazer. He and Captain Garrett are contemporaries; hell, they might have even been in the same graduating class at the Academy. Even if they never met, they almost certainly would have known some of the same people in the Fleet: "Hey, did you ever meet Admiral T'Laeshio? Yup, that's her, and she still hates that nickname. Would you believe she's still in command of Spacedock after all these years?" Yea and they handwaved this a bit when Castilo was like "all my family is dead" and Tasha was like "how do you know" and he's like "hunh guess you're right, I don't". That wasn't as jarring for me though as Picard's decision to send the C back. Of course Picard always listens closely to Guinan but it felt like he just flipped a switch and went from "shut up with your unsubstantiated bullshit, Guinan" to "I am betting all of our lives on Guinan's feelings suddenly now" in the space of one scene. edit: a letter Kibbles n Shits fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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Feb 28, 2017 23:17
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Here you go, the first thing made in the spirit of TMP since the 70's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ6JVNBjkgA&t=10s
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Feb 28, 2017 23:37
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That really would not be that out of place as a TAS episode. Gotta have a burger for Giant Spock.
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Mar 1, 2017 00:11
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Here you go, the first thing made in the spirit of TMP since the 70's: Hahaha that's amazing, there's several shots directly quoted from TMP.
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Mar 1, 2017 00:58
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Kibbles n Shits posted:Yea and they handwaved this a bit when Castilo was like "all my family is dead" and Tasha was like "how do you know" and he's like "hunh guess you're right, I don't". Tbf, Picard does this in dozens of episodes. It's so common that I sort of just accept it as part of his character. He's always extremely adamant about whatever position he's arguing, but he's usually less convinced than he lets on and, as soon as someone throws a little doubt his way, it's like a switch flipped and suddenly he's fully committed to the exact opposite course of action. Sometimes it's absurd, like lecturing Dr. Crusher on how the Prime Directive means she has to let her son get executed and then going "never mind, gently caress what I just said," but there's also times like the Hugh episode where it feels much more earned. People complain that First Contact is just a retread of that same (very good) dynamic and insist it's out of character, but it's no worse than him suddenly reverting to a "by the book" callous rear end in a top hat in literally every Prime Directive episode or going back to being the same obstinate no-fun-haver no matter how many times we see him briefly let his (proverbial) hair down, or his whole "I don't like kids"/"These kids aren't so bad"/"I still don't like kids" deal. He's always been characterized as a stubborn, proud man who's set in his ways and resists change which, yeah, is a pretty convenient character trait for syndicated TV, but is still who he is.
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Mar 1, 2017 01:28
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That's also the thing with the Hugh episode. Adamant about using it to wipe out the Borg, but has one conversation with it flips his switch.
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Mar 1, 2017 01:52
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Duckbag posted:Tbf, Picard does this in dozens of episodes. It's so common that I sort of just accept it as part of his character. He's always extremely adamant about whatever position he's arguing, but he's usually less convinced than he lets on and, as soon as someone throws a little doubt his way, it's like a switch flipped and suddenly he's fully committed to the exact opposite course of action. Sometimes it's absurd, like lecturing Dr. Crusher on how the Prime Directive means she has to let her son get executed and then going "never mind, gently caress what I just said," but there's also times like the Hugh episode where it feels much more earned. People complain that First Contact is just a retread of that same (very good) dynamic and insist it's out of character, but it's no worse than him suddenly reverting to a "by the book" callous rear end in a top hat in literally every Prime Directive episode or going back to being the same obstinate no-fun-haver no matter how many times we see him briefly let his (proverbial) hair down, or his whole "I don't like kids"/"These kids aren't so bad"/"I still don't like kids" deal. He's always been characterized as a stubborn, proud man who's set in his ways and resists change which, yeah, is a pretty convenient character trait for syndicated TV, but is still who he is. See also; practically begging the "time traveler" from the 28th century to help him decide what to do and then going "Well, I was never actually going to listen to you  " when the guy refuses
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Mar 1, 2017 01:55
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The thing the Prime Directive and Picard's character in First Contact have in common is that they're really stupid.
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Mar 1, 2017 01:58
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Eh, I get the point of the Prime Directive. No matter how gently and with well-meaning you tip your toe's into someone else's culture (especially if they aren't as technologically high up as you), eventually poo poo goes sour one way or another. Either you wind up trying to be a good guy but wind up micromanaging their poo poo because you think you know better, or you're an rear end in a top hat and wind up thinking you're better people than them. You wait until you're meeting a culture/people on an equal footing, rather than one of inherent superiority. The rule is intentionally strict - Shut Up And Don't loving Meddle With Other People's poo poo - because there's so many ways to justify meddling. This time it'll be different, this time we're not going to meddle with everything. The Prime Directive is there to protect yourself from yourself. poo poo, there's a line in goddamned Enterprise that summarizes it pretty well. The head rear end in a top hat Vulcan dude basically says "Hey, we came to your planet thirty years ago and collectively fixed your assorted poo poo. Thirty years ago, and we're still here. You think you're just gonna scoot away from the planet down there?."
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Mar 1, 2017 02:26
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MisterBibs posted:Eh, I get the point of the Prime Directive. No matter how gently and with well-meaning you tip your toe's into someone else's culture (especially if they aren't as technologically high up as you), eventually poo poo goes sour one way or another. Either you wind up trying to be a good guy but wind up micromanaging their poo poo because you think you know better, or you're an rear end in a top hat and wind up thinking you're better people than them. You wait until you're meeting a culture/people on an equal footing, rather than one of inherent superiority. Which works all the way up til the bridge crew starts ruminating on how it might just be the destiny of the poor people down there to get utterly wiped out by a runaway meteor and how can we be so sure it isn't better for them that way.
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Mar 1, 2017 02:38
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Yeah, Prime Directive as worldbuilding is one of Trek's crown jewels. Prime Directive as plot device is rancid garbage.
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Mar 1, 2017 02:45
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 At some point it went from 'you'd better have a drat good reason for breaking it' to 'never break under any circumstances'
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Mar 1, 2017 02:49
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I want to see the episode where Picard has to explain to a grieving mother why he let her kid be executed for falling on some plants.
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Mar 1, 2017 03:01
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The Prime Directive is not good in any circumstance, it is a horror and the sloppy, continuity error-ridden writing only makes it look worse.
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Mar 1, 2017 03:08
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The only time I can think of that it's well-written is Who Watches The Watchers.
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Mar 1, 2017 03:12
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Kibbles n Shits posted:Yea and they handwaved this a bit when Castilo was like "all my family is dead" and Tasha was like "how do you know" and he's like "hunh guess you're right, I don't". To be fair, the episode kind of, sort of addresses this by making it clear that the Federation is hosed. Picard is going for a hail mary because he thinks everyone is going to be dead or subjugated in six months anyway.
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Well true Picard is known to do 180s but usually there's at least a little arc invovled. I just thought it was a kinda weird. It's a minor thing.
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