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berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

spacegoat posted:

In our latest episode of Hams Are Terrible People, Ash lets a dude in a pro-Duterte shirt play KoW on camera.

What the gently caress. I hope he's wearing it ironically, so I can hate him even more.

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Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

When you think about it, AOS is a very elegant answer to this whol dice-rolling problem, because if you can end the game immediately with controlled dice/stacked abilities, then you don't need to worry about how to roll dice or guarantee their randomness at all!

JerryLee
Feb 4, 2005

THE RESERVED LIST! THE RESERVED LIST! I CANNOT SHUT UP ABOUT THE RESERVED LIST!
I had no idea "dice tower" referred to something besides those little jenga-esque stacks of dice that you build when you're bored waiting for your turn

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

JerryLee posted:

I had no idea "dice tower" referred to something besides those little jenga-esque stacks of dice that you build when you're bored waiting for your turn

same

spacegoat
Dec 23, 2003

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Nap Ghost

berzerkmonkey posted:

What the gently caress. I hope he's wearing it ironically, so I can hate him even more.

Nope

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spacegoat
Dec 23, 2003

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Nap Ghost
And again.

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TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005

That reply is being copy pasted to anyone who mentions the shirt. Good times.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Captain Rufus posted:

At mine you don't. They throw them out or something. However some casinos sell souvenir dice that are casino quality but not ones you would see at the table. A friend of mine who was in surveillance did some event in Vegas and brought us back some sets. I use them for Warmachine since you don't need lots of dice in it and they are large and visible unlike many shitass dice sets GW and PP have created which suck a fat dick for readability.

And on any games where the player touches the cards? We switch them out every 4 hours. Because players mangle the things for various reasons most of which are superstition based. Or because they see poker playing morons on tv. Poker players are the goddamned WORST PEOPLE. (Unsurprisingly many big shots have come over from Magic. Because Texas Holdem needs more dickheads I guess.)

And remember I said there CAN be biases. But it's usually a stupidly small amount that is effectively negligible as casinos have been doing this for years and whenever a thing takes the odds out of the house's favor is discovered it gets fixed for some reason. poo poo, people even learned how to throw Craps dice nearly perfectly. It got discovered eventually. Making the 100s of hours of practice go out the window.

But on dice rollers: if you want to use one and it won't slow the game down rock on... BUT! Always allow your opponent to use the app or roller as well. It removes all cheating doubt that way. You should probably only use it for things like Ork Mob charges and the like. Or as a backup if you forget your dice for DnD or something. Probably not any sort of tourney type game. But for those I would recommend a dice tower or dice tray and cup so as to remove knocking poo poo over and having cocked dice. It speeds up play not to have to dig poo poo out or deal with a die resting oddly on terrain or a map fold or knocking over that big stack of Russian Conscripts.

Dice are so cheap and easy to get ahold of that I just can't justify a roller app unless you forgot them or something. It's more of a pain in the rear end than throwing plastic 9 times out of 10.

kingcom
Jun 23, 2012

Liquid Communism posted:

Dice are so cheap and easy to get ahold of that I just can't justify a roller app unless you forgot them or something. It's more of a pain in the rear end than throwing plastic 9 times out of 10.

lol that you think you just roll 10 dice rather than like 50 odd dice for a check in 40k

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




kingcom posted:

lol that you think you just roll 10 dice rather than like 50 odd dice for a check in 40k

Don't play bad games, and you don't have that problem. :smuggo:

Hamshot
Feb 1, 2006
Fun Shoe
The troubles I had when I attempted to use a dice app was grognards suspicious about the app being rigged.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Hamshot posted:

The troubles I had when I attempted to use a dice app was grognards suspicious about the app being rigged.

It's more likely that your decades-old pile of dice scrounged from various game boxes or with huge logos on one side are far from masterfully crafted for complete random results.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Let them use the same app you are. Or your phone.

Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Hamshot posted:

The troubles I had when I attempted to use a dice app was grognards suspicious about the app being rigged.

I mean it would be pretty trivial to make a cheating dice app that looked like a real one so that's not a 100% unreasonable suspicion (assuming you're in a context where people might cheat if they could get away with it)

even letting them use your app would be fairly easy to get around, just put in a subtle switch that changes how biased it is

Dr Hemulen
Jan 25, 2003

According to Andy Chambers, using actual dice may be the worst solution. He had some people do actual rolls of different types of dice, and the results were not pretty :-(

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1671901446441700&id=1437016179930229

Sorry for the FB link, couldn't find it anywhere else.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Logan Lubera posted:

One day waaaay back when I was a manager of a GW (Toronto) we had a game of Space Hulk that went terrible due to a plague of "1" after a lot of complaining a college engineer student said "it was because the dice were off weight." We ask why and he said the painted pips for 6 outweighs the paint for the 1 and that small fraction of change altered the percentage...I don't know if it is true now but back than we all switched to dice with numbers lol.

zokie
Feb 13, 2006

Out of many, Sweden

Xarbala posted:

Let them use the same app you are. Or your phone.

I think that's in the rules for using the x-wing dice app. Kinda cool by ffg, busy like the rules explicity allow you to touch your opponents cards.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches





In my personal experience, engineering students were unrepentant alcoholics, drinking to survive, who'd tell you anything you wanted in exchange for a beer when the Uni Bar opened at midday Friday, and would make some poo poo up in writing to go with it if you put on a house party and a couple slabs on Saturday

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Welp, that's pretty disgusting, and that guy is a total piece of garbage.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

NTRabbit posted:

In my personal experience, engineering students were unrepentant alcoholics, drinking to survive, who'd tell you anything you wanted in exchange for a beer when the Uni Bar opened at midday Friday, and would make some poo poo up in writing to go with it if you put on a house party and a couple slabs on Saturday

Sounds like my kinda people

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




Xarbala posted:

Sounds like my kinda people

My kinda people too, hence the wealth of personal experience... that is now over 10 years ago, gently caress :negative:

muggins
Mar 3, 2008

I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Sir Teabag
Oct 26, 2007
So I'm pretty out of the loop on politics from places other than Canada and The States.

I honestly thought that was a rap shirt.
:goonsay:

Thanks for pointing that out internet - I'm learning so much.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Death Thread needs more pictures. Have a dreadnaught Iron Ancestor.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

I actually had no idea who Duterte was or what he's done, but looking him up left me horrified.

If Travis Keeler keeps trotting out that shirt even after knowing the context behind it then he's a real piece of work.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Two of my drinking buddies are a pair of Filipino brothers who live nearby. One of them works with my wife so when Duterte comes up I can't really lay into them as harshly as I would like, but literally every time we have beers together how much they love Duterte becomes the focus of the conversation for about fifteen minutes. It's wretched. They make some good points about how the actual things Duterte says are often misrepresented in the media since when he's not speaking English he's regularly misquoted or actually taken out of context and when he is speaking English it's not his first language and his flamboyant exaggerations are treated more literally than they should be. That aside, he's still a monster whose solution to the crushing poverty faced in some of these regions is to round up and murder civilians and that never seems to click for the two brothers. Drug dealers are bad after all. Why wouldn't you kill them? And drug users are just as bad. As long as they exist more drug dealers will show up!

Come to think of it, their unwavering support for something objectively terrible isn't all that different than GW fans so maybe it is an appropriate shirt.

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh
At least the totalitarian dystopia in 40k is fictional.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Avenging Dentist posted:

At least the totalitarian dystopia in 40k is fictional.

But late stage capitalist corporate consumer loyalty isn't.

Atlas Hugged fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Mar 2, 2017

Captain Rufus
Sep 16, 2005

CAPTAIN WORD SALAD

OFF MY MEDS AGAIN PLEASE DON'T USE BIG WORDS

UNNECESSARY LINE BREAK
We have all the poo poo from cyberpunk dystopias but no cool Elf cyberdeckers or hot chicks in powered armor fighting evil corporate not Terminators. Basically we just got the bad parts of cyberpunk and none of the cool poo poo.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Captain Rufus posted:

We have all the poo poo from cyberpunk dystopias but no cool Elf cyberdeckers or hot chicks in powered armor fighting evil corporate not Terminators. Basically we just got the bad parts of cyberpunk and none of the cool poo poo.

I know, right? We're essentially owned by our jobs, but I can't even replace my legs with cyberware.

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh
Actually cybernetic limbs exist. And they've gotten them to work well enough that you have a sense of touch with them (although I don't think those are easy to get just yet).

Also we have cyberwarfare (Stuxnet, Flame), anarchic hackers, secret communication platforms, and so on.

Oh, and technicolor hair and mohawks are in now.

Avenging Dentist fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Mar 2, 2017

Dr Hemulen
Jan 25, 2003

Xarbala posted:

I actually had no idea who Duterte was or what he's done, but looking him up left me horrified.

He's a terrible dwarf guy from AoS.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

Atlas Hugged posted:

Two of my drinking buddies are a pair of Filipino brothers who live nearby. One of them works with my wife so when Duterte comes up I can't really lay into them as harshly as I would like, but literally every time we have beers together how much they love Duterte becomes the focus of the conversation for about fifteen minutes. It's wretched. They make some good points about how the actual things Duterte says are often misrepresented in the media since when he's not speaking English he's regularly misquoted or actually taken out of context and when he is speaking English it's not his first language and his flamboyant exaggerations are treated more literally than they should be. That aside, he's still a monster whose solution to the crushing poverty faced in some of these regions is to round up and murder civilians and that never seems to click for the two brothers. Drug dealers are bad after all. Why wouldn't you kill them? And drug users are just as bad. As long as they exist more drug dealers will show up!

Come to think of it, their unwavering support for something objectively terrible isn't all that different than GW fans so maybe it is an appropriate shirt.

maybe its time to find new drinking buddies

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Avenging Dentist posted:

Actually cybernetic limbs exist. And they've gotten them to work well enough that you have a sense of touch with them (although I don't think those are easy to get just yet).

Also we have cyberwarfare (Stuxnet, Flame), anarchic hackers, secret communication platforms, and so on.

Oh, and technicolor hair and mohawks are in now.

I may have green hair at the moment myself.

For the moment, though, powered prosthetics are still in their infancy. They're good enough to restore some normal functionality to people who've had a medical issue who would otherwise be crippled, but they're not up to the level where they'd be an upgrade.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

maybe its time to find new drinking buddies

Bad drinking is better than no drinking.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
Age of Methylated Simgar.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Liquid Communism posted:

I may have green hair at the moment myself.

For the moment, though, powered prosthetics are still in their infancy. They're good enough to restore some normal functionality to people who've had a medical issue who would otherwise be crippled, but they're not up to the level where they'd be an upgrade.

plus the essence cost for even one limb is pretty prohibitive.

sinburger
Sep 10, 2006

*hurk*

Atlas Hugged posted:

Death Thread needs more pictures. Have a dreadnaught Iron Ancestor.



Coincidence, or is that a House Marick color scheme I spot? I just painted up half a battletech starter with the same colors.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

sinburger posted:

Coincidence, or is that a House Marick color scheme I spot? I just painted up half a battletech starter with the same colors.

Coincidence, but fun to know. I just wanted some purple space dwarves.

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Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

Atlas Hugged posted:

Bad drinking is better than no drinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpzqQst-Sg8

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