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Condiv posted:they did this like a month ago. it'll be nice if they start being good and actually helping people (apparently there'e going to be a new drug reimportation bill and cory booker has sworn to god he'll vote for it this time), but i'm pretty doubtful. they refused to be good dems even in the shadow of trump's ascendancy, why would they change now that they think they can do nothing and slide back into office because of how awful trump is? This is what annoys me. It's easy for dems to introduce cool legislation like drug reimport now when they know it'll be vetoed anyway, why didnt they do it back when they had the supermajority in 09?
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:"You can't even say why Monsanto isn't good, stupid leftist" People who don't like starving also like it. Yes, they are a corporation. If that is all you have that's fine. I admit they are as evil as any generic corporation.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:I just support scientific progress whether it's the right or the left demonizing it. keep at it buddy I'm sure some of that multinational agrochemical cash will trickle its way down to you eventually
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Fullhouse posted:yes unless their opponent is better, which in a hypothetical US election is almost certainly not the case pretty much. i don't think we'll ever get a pure soul like bernie again, so taking his blessed, half-bernie political child is the next best thing we can do.
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Gringostar posted:so is music Not for 50 years after the fact, refreshing when mildly altering it
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Gringostar posted:so is music music is covered under copyright, not patents. just like software should be. it's hosed up software is protected by both
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Gringostar posted:we can't stop marie le pen because gandhi said "gently caress bitches get money" an opportunity to make a moon moon reference and you let it pass? i'm beginning to question your goon credentials.
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Neurolimal posted:Not for 50 years after the fact, refreshing when mildly altering it no poo poo, and i've literally made multiple posts saying just that
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Condiv posted:music is covered under copyright, not patents. just like software should be. it's hosed up software is protected by both ahh i was confusing the two (it's early and i have a head cold) then yeah, software shouldn't be patented since it's under copyright, or if it's not under copyright then it should be and taken off patents Gringostar has issued a correction as of 19:05 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Okay so go ahead and campaign on ending patents as a thing. Good luck with that. Why do you love racism so much?
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FuriousxGeorge posted:I just support scientific progress whether it's the right or the left demonizing it. Actually this is all wrong. Intensive industrial farming is killing the planet to fatten beef for American cheeseburgers. That's all that your precious patent system and murderous corporate welfare has done for humanity.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Actually this is all wrong. Intensive industrial farming is killing the planet to fatten beef for American cheeseburgers. That's all that your precious patent system and murderous corporate welfare has done for humanity. Monsanto doesn't make people eat burgers dude. I eat GMO tofu instead. You're the one shoving all those burgers down your throat.
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mostly I'm just curious what the breaking point is for ideological purity like what set of "good" and "bad" opinions and positions will cause someone to stay home rather than vote dem like does apathy towards prosecuting big banks hold more or less weight than a bigger minimum wage or whatever
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patents let pharmaceutical companies jack up drug prices and then sue countries that use generics instead
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UHD posted:mostly I'm just curious what the breaking point is for ideological purity  Maybe the dems should try both?
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UHD posted:mostly I'm just curious what the breaking point is for ideological purity 1: is there name hillary clinton? 2: do they have a history of being really lovely while occupying a very safe blue seat? 3: are they pushing more centrist policies than progressive ones? if yes to any of those then i'll vote for them in the general against a republican, but that's where my support ends
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Lastgirl posted:We can combo that for 69 cents less, sir. Butt this means I lose a sex number it's like losing a sex 
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Monsanto doesn't make people eat burgers dude. I eat GMO tofu instead. You're the one shoving all those burgers down your throat. Right of course, consumers are all responsible for the cheap availability of meat in the United States. The free market owns guys, were all rational actors here in the land of the free. Also I don't eat red meat precisely because it's bad for the environment you libertarian doofus
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Gringostar posted:artists and inventors should get paid for their work Currently they don't and it's a problem with current IP law, not the existence of IP law to begin with.
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I don't eat red meat because it's bad for the environment AND because I don't want rear end cancer/heart disease in my 30s 
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Right of course, consumers are all responsible for the cheap availability of meat in the United States. If we were rational they wouldn't be eating the meat dude. But good luck on your plan to ban it or whatever. Sounds like a winner at the polls.
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i eat beef because it is the most delicious, socially acceptable form of killing myself
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Spiderfist Island posted:I think the main reason for the average centrist Dem being ideologically broke brained is that after Bernie showed that you could be a socialist in public, enough people started to self-identify or come out as being a group left of Center-Liberals. . This is pretty much me and a lot of other people. A lot tolerated the centrists since they looked like they could win, but when they didn't significant portion are getting super aggressive about going left (see the rise in dsa membership and a large change in state political party leaders). Since the state and local apparatuses were more or less in a state of torpor for the last 8 years the guys in charge simply cannot deal with people suddenly making their actions have consequences, see the congressional democrats suddenly growing a spine
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Scent of Worf posted:I don't eat red meat because it's bad for the environment AND because I don't want rear end cancer/heart disease in my 30s the generation that turned bacon into a meme now has a substantially higher chance of getting rear end cancer by 30 lmao
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Chicken is still the most morally and fitness correct meat, suck it bacailures
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Neurolimal posted:Chicken is still the most morally and fitness correct meat, suck it bacailures fish from aquaculture farms  speaking of which, those would be good to install in all those hollowed out industrial buildings in cities throughout the midwest jobs, sustainable food production, use of existing water and road infustructure Gringostar has issued a correction as of 19:34 on Mar 1, 2017 |
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Bacon isn't red meat.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:If we were rational they wouldn't be eating the meat dude. But good luck on your plan to ban it or whatever. Sounds like a winner at the polls. You know what a real winner at the polls would be? Eminent domaining all the land that agribusiness currently owns and parceling it out to the residents of the state, employing people to farm it and giving them proper pay and benefits, and using the profits gained to fund social services instead of lining the pockets of executives.
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Gringostar posted:fish from aquaculture farms I'm surprised there still isn't some sort of Green City somewhere in the world, considering how nice they look. Veg and aquaculture farm roofs, inwards-leaning buildings to increase shade and increase roof space, more below-ground construction, all that fun stuff.
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Neurolimal posted:I'm surprised there still isn't some sort of Green City somewhere in the world, considering how nice they look. or just make the roofs of old manufacturing plants glass while using the existing walls, put in a poo poo load of water tanks for fish farming with water vegetation on top so it's almost a completely self contained fish farm system so with minimal heating during winter it can operate year round who gives a poo poo how they look when it will help revitalize mid west manufacturing towns while at the same time being great for the environment
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Fiction posted:You know what a real winner at the polls would be? Eminent domaining all the land that agribusiness currently owns and parceling it out to the residents of the state, employing people to farm it and giving them proper pay and benefits, and using the profits gained to fund social services instead of lining the pockets of executives. Lol in what country? That's definitely not a winner in the United States.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Lol in what country? That's definitely not a winner in the United States. in countries where people like money and food and hate big business i realize this is anathema to the liberal thinking that we must always be nice to the companies but the only people who believe that are lobbyists and lobbyist adjacents
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Fiction posted:You know what a real winner at the polls would be? Eminent domaining all the land that agribusiness currently owns and parceling it out to the residents of the state, employing people to farm it and giving them proper pay and benefits, and using the profits gained to fund social services instead of lining the pockets of executives.
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Neurolimal posted:Chicken is still the most morally and fitness correct meat  
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*in extremely 1917 voice* what if we just gave everyone 2 acres of land *NEPmen nod while trying not to crack up*
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Eminent domaining would probably work after a successful term or two of "gently caress big business, look at how much poo poo we can do to help you instead" As-is both parties would be able to raise a lot of FUD about govt stealing your land and home
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ThndrShk2k posted:Morally? Just wait until they inspect the farmboys room and find his cache of furry porn
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Gringostar posted:fish from aquaculture farms There's a really cool place in Lexington that did exactly this an old commercial bakery space was empty for years until a local brewery (West 6th Brewing) bought it it was too big for the bewery/cannery/bottling plant so West 6th rented the extra space out to a hydroponic/tilapia farm group (FoodChain) working with grants from UK they got a good local chef to front the fish/hydro farm and serve the fresh fish and greens (Smithtown Seafood) and the restaurant and brewery share the guest space that has huge communal tables It's a pretty dope place to visit since you can see the whole thing, drink some good beer and have fish and fries or whatever
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Gringostar posted:fish from aquaculture farms I don't think the Monsanto lobbyists would allow that my dude. They know what's best for food production. It's water intensive, fossil-fuel dependent corn monocultures. Be thankful you plebe.
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Spiderfist Island posted:I think the main reason for the average centrist Dem being ideologically broke brained is that after Bernie showed that you could be a socialist in public, enough people started to self-identify or come out as being a group left of Center-Liberals. The group existed beforehand but always acted as the junior partner to the third-way Dems because they either didn't realize that their interests weren't in the same place or that recognized they were outnumbered and it was the lesser of two evils. Now that there's a societally-recognized distinction between the two both in economic policy (social democrat/rad-socialist vs. neoliberal) and political organization/ideal (mass politics vs. technocratic elite), the Left and Center are now speaking with separate voices in culture and politics. The people who identify with the Old Guard are freaking out because suddenly they're surrounded by an enemy within the ranks who used to be a loyal nothing but suddenly mutated into a different ideology overnight. I liked this so much that I shared it on my Facebook last night to help keep encouraging my progressive friends to keep up the energy. Woke up to my mother-in-law having posted this: "Why in the world would anybody that lives in a free country want to go to socialism. That is not being free having the government take what you worked hard for and give it to someone else. The government run places like veterans Hospitals or Military Hospitals treat people terrible. I know I have family that liked to have died in one of those places. People in other countries that have social health care come to are country for health care because of the wait to have test run. But maybe you need someone to tell you what to do because you don't know how to get out and work and take care of yourself because that is what socialism is" Note: my mother-in-law lives in rural Alabama and thinks Trump is great and that I hate Christians.
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