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Looks like this performs as expected, a cheaper multithreaded platform. Beating a 7700k when OC at ST wasn't really in the cards unless it could get to similar clocks.Don Lapre posted:National Suicide Prevention Lifeline Post on /r/amd
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HalloKitty posted:It's close to what could have been expected, except I was surprised to see how badly it could perform with SMT (THREADRIPPER) enabled at times in the Gamers' Nexus review. Pretty much. Zen predominately seems to be a high IPC/low frequency design and it seems like they relied on the process to get the frequency up. Because relying on GloFo has worked so well in the past.  A quadcore Zen @ 5.0 Ghz would have been very impressive but that was clearly not going to happen at lauch, so they launched it with twice the cores to hide the fact that it really isn't all that competitive compared to KL. I'm surprised that $AMD is holding up so well. I kind of expected /r/ayymd to panic sell. AMD is still in a decent position with Zen+, APUs and Naples. Not sure about mobile.
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eames posted:Pretty much. Zen predominately seems to be a high IPC/low frequency design and it seems like they relied on the process to get the frequency up. Because relying on GloFo has worked so well in the past.
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Risky Bisquick posted:Looks like this performs as expected, a cheaper multithreaded platform. Beating a 7700k when OC at ST wasn't really in the cards unless it could get to similar clocks. someone did but it's already taken down lol
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I am most disappointed with their 'TDP' which is bullshit. Figured as much but AMD just plain lied about it from where I sit.
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Paul MaudDib posted:someone did but it's already taken down lol Naw my thread is still there.
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redeyes posted:I am most disappointed with their 'TDP' which is bullshit. Figured as much but AMD just plain lied about it from where I sit. Platform power usage seems really good compared to Intel. 
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redeyes posted:I am most disappointed with their 'TDP' which is bullshit. Figured as much but AMD just plain lied about it from where I sit.  )
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Risky Bisquick posted:Platform power usage seems really good compared to Intel. Compared to an Intel 4C processor? Sure, that's the jam of highly-parallel processors. Compared to a 5820K that trashes it in actual performance? nah Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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Risky Bisquick posted:The problem is some workloads are very competitive and the ones that use AVX2 well so is that the performance of the benchmark that you gave the power usage for? because yes, AES-NI and AVX are very good, no shocker there
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Paul MaudDib posted:Compared to an Intel 4C processor? Sure, that's the jam of highly-parallel processors.
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So like, they're still delivering okay gaming benchmarks and have very good multi thread performance. Even if I turn off SMT I'll have 8 threads to work with? Am I  stupid for not being surprised or disappointed? I think it'll be an okay offering. Is that foolish? I am interested in video recording and gaming at the same time, so I being the best single thread performance isn't necessarily what I'm interested in.
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ZobarStyl posted:Could you point out on the doll where AMD bad touched you? I get that you've always had a hate on for them but Ryzen seems to have driven you into a frenzy. well for me the k6-2 400, the thunderbird 700, the athlon XP 1800+, the athlon 64 3200+, the athlon 64 X2 3800+, and the phenom II x4 were all good touch, but the bulldozer was bad-touch, officer I mean, 5 years of bad-touch is really all it takes, though
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Toalpaz posted:So like, they're still delivering okay gaming benchmarks and have very good multi thread performance. Even if I turn off SMT I'll have 8 threads to work with? Am I Ryzen is an excellent effort and great value. It's just that the very vocal majority of hardware enthusiast online care about gaming performance. If you are one of the people that have use for a lot of cores/threads then it's complete game changer compared to Intel's offerings.
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Toalpaz posted:So like, they're still delivering okay gaming benchmarks and have very good multi thread performance. Even if I turn off SMT I'll have 8 threads to work with? Am I Word up. I'm not terribly interested in having separate desktops for work and gaming, so I'm willing to take a hit in gaming performance for a much more affordable multi-threaded workstation that I play the occasional game on during the weekend.
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eames posted:Ryzen is an excellent effort and great value. It's just that the very vocal majority of hardware enthusiast online care about gaming performance. If you are one of the people that have use for a lot of cores/threads then it's complete game changer compared to Intel's offerings. Unless you happen to also need large amounts of memory or any amount of ECC memory.
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Boiled Water posted:I don't know about the workstation market, since no one builds the machines themselves it'll be very much up to Lenovo/HP types to figure this one out for us. Also, remember the last time AMD had worldbeatingly good chips? Remember how they did not end up in professional server/workstation type kit regardless? Intel has that poo poo on lock.
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quote:“Oxide games is incredibly excited with what we are seeing from the Ryzen CPU. Using our Nitrous game engine, we are working to scale our existing and future game title performance to take full advantage of Ryzen and its 8-core, 16-thread architecture, and the results thus far are impressive. These optimizations are not yet available for Ryzen benchmarking. However, expect updates soon to enhance the performance of games like Ashes of the Singularity on Ryzen CPUs, as well as our future game releases” ,said Brad Wardell, CEO Stardock and Oxide. Reading through a bunch of articles, its such a mixed bag. Some sites are claiming memory issues, others that by changing from the supplied asus board gets you slightly better perf. It seems like they rushed this out the door.
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Who else finds Dr. Lisa Su incredibly attractive? I'd never paid much attention to her except for the Ryzen keynote, and HOLY MOLY, is she a babe or what? I've always had a thing for older women, and boy... she's got the whole package. Smart as hell too... I'd love to take her out for dinner and talk about the world! Haha. What do you guys think?
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Lately I've been playing Fallout 4 on my 3570k. I'm glad it is still competitive with AMD's current high-end consumer chip. Don Lapre posted:Who else finds Dr. Lisa Su incredibly attractive? gently caress off. Tokamak fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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ZobarStyl posted:Could you point out on the doll where AMD bad touched you? I get that you've always had a hate on for them but Ryzen seems to have driven you into a frenzy. if you insist - the corporation in question was molesting my perfromance from approximately 2011 to 2016  but everyone knows the lawyers will triumph today, regardless of justice
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Paul MaudDib posted:if you insist - the corporation in question was molesting my perfromance from approximately 2011 to 2016 AMD CPU and Platfrom Discussion: the corporation in question was molesting my perfromance
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Tokamak posted:gently caress off. dunno though, i'm not gonna lie, i'm into jen-hsun's jackets, for a nerd he dresses OK
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When Ryzen loses it really loses. It gets beaten by 40FPS by a stock 7700K in The Witcher 3.  It's really not a "small gaming performance loss", it's a serious tradeoff and a question of priorities for potential buyers.
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Boiled Water posted:Unless you happen to also need large amounts of memory or any amount of ECC memory. If you just want some ECC some of the AMD mobo's will support it. Asrock lists support for it in some of their AM4 mobo manuals at least so its unofficial but its there at least. BurritoJustice posted:It's really not a "small gaming performance loss", it's a serious tradeoff and a question of priorities for potential buyers. PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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BurritoJustice posted:When Ryzen loses it really loses. It gets beaten by 40FPS by a stock 7700K in The Witcher 3. to be 100% fair: novigrad is literally the most single-threaded part of the entire game - and also memory-bound, so it's at maximum disadvantage from the poo poo-tier release BIOS, it's like benching fallout 4 in Boston
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Paul MaudDib posted:Compared to an Intel 4C processor? Sure, that's the jam of highly-parallel processors. Which benchmarks are the 5820K trashing it? I saw in one OpenGL where it appeared to, but didn't see anywhere else. Toalpaz posted:So like, they're still delivering okay gaming benchmarks and have very good multi thread performance. Even if I turn off SMT I'll have 8 threads to work with? Am I
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SourKraut posted:Which benchmarks are the 5820K trashing it? I saw in one OpenGL where it appeared to, but didn't see anywhere else. For reference: you can pick any 5820K and 6800K benchmarks and interchange them. They overclock to the same point. Actually the 5820K usualy beats the 6800K after overclock (Broadwell-E sucks).
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Paul MaudDib posted:For reference: you can pick any 5820K and 6800K benchmarks and interchange them. They overclock to the same point. Actually the 5820K usualy beats the 6800K after overclock (Broadwell-E sucks). Ah ok, that makes sense then, thanks!
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From what I can see, it's about exactly what we expected. Finally they are On Par, but far from the full lead except in massively multithreaded workloads. Outside of that, the Voltage being for the package and then having an on die controller makes sense, So that when you see the bios fueling it with 1.4vcore it's internally only pushing 1.1-1.2 which isn't near as bad. So those OC screenshots also showing it running at 1.8-1.9vCore are more like 1.5-1.6vCore which is more on par with what you see people shove through their Intel chips when they are Suicide running benchmarks. I feel that a chunk of performance is probably still left on the table, in the form of GloFo improving a little in 6 months, a number of Bios Updates, and even a Windows Update that might help the ThreadRipper rip more efficiently. Is it the Savior that AMD needed? Maybe not yet, but it could be the prophets ahead of the it. Still no real draw to replace my old trusty 3930K but to see that sort of rendering time for the encoding apps, might be worth making a cheap Rysen Plex/NAS server down the line.
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feedmegin posted:Also, remember the last time AMD had worldbeatingly good chips? Remember how they did not end up in professional server/workstation type kit regardless? Intel has that poo poo on lock. At one point they had something like 20% of the server market (looong time ago now) so they were making some in roads there. It just takes a long time to happen. As a few other posters have noted generally about 2-3yr. Intel seems to be slow at updating their server stuff so Zen will actually have a decent shot at getting some lucrative server market share for AMD even with Purley coming.
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Paul MaudDib posted:to be 100% fair: novigrad is literally the most single-threaded part of the entire game - and also memory-bound, so it's at maximum disadvantage from the poo poo-tier release BIOS, it's like benching fallout 4 in Boston That might well be true, but I am completely puzzled why it's sitting just above the 8350 results. It is worse in single threaded, multithreaded, and memory performance so I can't imagine how it would be equivalent. And it is correct that many other games the detriment is smaller. I am biased by the fact that I play a lot of games that are memory and single threaded performance bound like bethesda games and the witcher so it is something that I weigh heavily, so I do agree that my statement earlier was a bit too broad.
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Paul MaudDib posted:to be 100% fair: novigrad is literally the most single-threaded part of the entire game - and also memory-bound, so it's at maximum disadvantage from the poo poo-tier release BIOS, it's like benching fallout 4 in Boston For me cases like that are absolutely what I want to see. Fallout 4 runs fine on my old 2500k except in downtown Boston. If I was wanting an upgrade it'd be to make the worst performing part of the game do better than to increase my already high fps in other areas.
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BurritoJustice posted:When Ryzen loses it really loses. It gets beaten by 40FPS by a stock 7700K in The Witcher 3. Paul MaudDib posted:to be 100% fair: novigrad is literally the most single-threaded part of the entire game - and also memory-bound, so it's at maximum disadvantage from the poo poo-tier release BIOS, it's like benching fallout 4 in Boston I dunno I'd say its a pretty serious issue when it is up against i5-6400 Processor 4C 6M Cache 2.7/3.3.
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