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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:We need a thread for the 2013 draft because woof, what a bunch of stinkers in that first round. Fluker's really terrible now and it's a shame, he looked solid his rookie year.
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You might say his rookie name was a flu- 
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Feb 24, 2017 00:14
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:We need a thread for the 2013 draft because woof, what a bunch of stinkers in that first round. "Outdrafted by the Lions" is something you can say about every team in that draft. A bad sign.
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Feb 24, 2017 00:19
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Just look at this 1st round. Eric Fisher – mediocre, overpaid Luke Joeckel – bust Dion Jordan – injuries, suspension, bust Lane Johnson – good player Ezekiel Ansah – good player Barkevious Mingo – total bust Jonathan Cooper – injuries/bust Tavon Austin – semi bust, might be good if used properly Dee Milliner – bust Chance Warmack – bust D.J. Fluker – flukey! D.J. Hayden – inconsistent and injured Sheldon Richardson – good player, horrible person Star Lotulelei – good player Kenny Vaccaro – inconsistent EJ Manuel – total bust Jarvis Jones – bust Eric Reid – inconsistent Justin Pugh – good player Kyle Long – good player Tyler Eifert – always injured Desmond Trufant – very good player Sharrif Floyd – good Bjoern Werner –  Xavier Rhodes – good Datone Jones – who the gently caress even is this? DeAndre Hopkins – elite player Sylvester Williams – semi bust Cordarrelle Patterson – one great year, then disappeared Alec Ogletree – good player Travis Frederick – excellent Matt Elam – bust
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Feb 24, 2017 02:16
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I remember the Cowboys getting a lot of flack for taking Frederick too. If there were a redraft he'd go top 5 and maybe #2? Hopkins probably goes one, then you've got Leveon Bell, Travis Kelce, and Frederick in some order. Then Sheldon Richardson if you trust him to not be a total idiot, or maybe Tyrann Matthieu if you trust him to not be hurt so much. Who am I missing from that draft who'd be arguable top 5? e: Oops Trufant for sure.
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Feb 24, 2017 02:58
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Grittybeard posted:I remember the Cowboys getting a lot of flack for taking Frederick too. If there were a redraft he'd go top 5 and maybe #2? Ziggy Ansah should have gone no later than second.
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Feb 24, 2017 02:59
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:We need a thread for the 2013 draft because woof, what a bunch of stinkers in that first round. Here's the thread I made last year (obviously archives required) https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3760496
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Feb 24, 2017 03:34
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Grittybeard posted:I remember the Cowboys getting a lot of flack for taking Frederick too. If there were a redraft he'd go top 5 and maybe #2? Yeah, a ton of people really dumped on the Cowboys at the trade for taking Frederick - IIRC he was considered a round 2 prospect (even though most end of round 1 guys are essentially R2 prospects anyway) and a lot of people weren't in love with his lack of agility. It just out that he was the mauler the Cowboys needed at C and the trade down to get him also netted Terrence Williams. Also Keenan Allen probably would've been a 1st rounder on pure talent if he hadn't been injured when he tested. Problem was that he's always hurt, as it turned out.
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Feb 24, 2017 03:45
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Barkevious Mingo – total bust Yeah but that name
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Feb 24, 2017 03:54
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love to draft the guy whose problem is "always injured" instead of "bust"
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Feb 24, 2017 04:25
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Just look at this 1st round. Patterson has actually had a decent year. He went from being on the bench to shining on special teams (as a gunner!) and then got worked into the offense as he slowly crawled out of Zimmer's doghouse. BTW, Floyd has had a knee injury and was out last season.
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Feb 24, 2017 05:12
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I really really like DJ Fluker. He plays really hard and never half-asses anything and is a really good teammate and is great in the community. He's just not really good at football
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Feb 24, 2017 06:54
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Durandal1707 posted:Yeah, a ton of people really dumped on the Cowboys at the trade for taking Frederick - IIRC he was considered a round 2 prospect (even though most end of round 1 guys are essentially R2 prospects anyway) and a lot of people weren't in love with his lack of agility. It just out that he was the mauler the Cowboys needed at C and the trade down to get him also netted Terrence Williams. That criticism was real dumb even at the time. The entire idea that it's a "OMG REACH WTF LOL" to take what fake draft experts said was a 2nd rounder at the rear end end of the first is deeply stupid on its face. Also agility drills and 40 times are relevant to center play exactly never.
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Feb 24, 2017 13:35
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sean10mm posted:Also agility drills and 40 times are relevant to center play exactly never. In the critics' defense agility drills seem pretty useful when compared to other linemen, like you want these guys to be able to move and change direction in a way your average 300 lb dude cannot. Linemen pulling is a thing in every offense, and being stiff in the hips is generally bad. 10 second splits are probably good to know too, although I have no idea how Frederick did there.
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Feb 24, 2017 14:18
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Just look at this 1st round. Hayden has consistently been trash.
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Feb 24, 2017 16:08
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Just look at this 1st round. I think mentioning the Bucs trading a first for a one year rental of a Revis coming off an ACL injury is worth noting. What a waste that was. With that said, they would have totally drafted someone terrible with that pick because Bucs gonna Buc.
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Feb 24, 2017 17:10
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I'd love to see Tavon Austin on a team that uses him as an actual receiver, but that will never happen because the Rams paid him a mountain of money to get old and slow while running end arounds.
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Feb 24, 2017 17:22
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DariusLikewise posted:I'd love to see Tavon Austin on a team that uses him as an actual receiver, but that will never happen because the Rams paid him a mountain of money to get old and slow while running end arounds. Tavon Austin will definitely retire with the most horizontal yards in NFL history.
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Feb 24, 2017 17:32
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Kalli posted:Tavon Austin will definitely retire with the most horizontal yards in NFL history. 4.3 40 yard dash and getting 9.1 yards per reception over his career, great use of talent right there.
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Feb 24, 2017 17:43
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Volkerball posted:2) Derek Carr A+ Pretty impressive, considering that Stafford set the record for fourth-quarter comebacks in the same year!
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Feb 24, 2017 20:14
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Atlanta Falcons 2014 Draft aka the year we ALMOST got Khalil Mack  1. Jack Matthews - Franchise LT, who has had some downs but overall extremely solid. B+ 2. Ra'Shede Hageman - Was looking like a bust, but really came on in the playoffs. Could be a monster, could be a ghost. Arrow is pointing up. C 3. Dez Southward - not in the league4. Devonta Freeman - I love this man so so much. A+ 4. Prince Shembo - Sucked the killed a dog. F 5. Ricardo Allen - For a 5th rounder, he has done well for himself. Not a world beater, not a bust. C 5. Marquis Spruill - Hard Knocks star, tore his ACL and never returned. F 7. Yawin Smallwood - Ummmm yea. F Matthews, Hageman, Free and Allen made this a not so bad class but there were some awful misses.
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Feb 24, 2017 20:21
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Hard Knocks had no stars that year cuz it was very bad.
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Feb 24, 2017 20:26
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Hard Knocks should stick with the AFC.
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Feb 24, 2017 21:38
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No Irish Need Imply posted:Hard Knocks had no stars that year cuz it was very bad. It had Tyler Starr 
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Feb 24, 2017 22:55
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sean10mm posted:That criticism was real dumb even at the time. The entire idea that it's a "OMG REACH WTF LOL" to take what fake draft experts said was a 2nd rounder at the rear end end of the first is deeply stupid on its face. Plus Center was actually a huge position of need for Dallas anyway - neither Phil Costa or Ryan Cook worked out and Romo was getting killed by pressure up the middle during all of 2012. So you might as well pull the trigger on a guy if you think he's the best player at your pick, and doubly so if he fits a need.
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Feb 25, 2017 03:42
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all-Rush mixtape posted:Hard Knocks should stick with the AFC. They need to stop picking super boring teams. The St Louis rams and falcons were about as exciting as a glass of luke warm water.
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BlindSite posted:They need to stop picking super boring teams. I'm sad we'll never get a second Rex Ryan hard knocks. Sure he isn't that great of a coach but goddamn was that season entertaining.
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Feb 25, 2017 05:55
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Just look at this 1st round. gently caress Jarvis Jones sucks, arghhhhhh
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Feb 25, 2017 07:03
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What happened to Jarvis Jones, anyway? I remember him being a consensus top-5 pick for a while, but it came out that he had spinal stenosis problems, but still worth gambling on in the first round on talent alone. Then he got to the NFL and has been mediocre at best, certainly not as good as the Draft Breakdown clips I saw from him beforehand.
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Feb 25, 2017 10:49
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I appreciated Hard Knocks last year for the Jeff Fisher line about no more 8-8 bullshit. It's a nice defining quote for his career. I don't think anyone watched past the first episode but that was good.
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Feb 25, 2017 13:05
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Benne posted:What happened to Jarvis Jones, anyway? I remember him being a consensus top-5 pick for a while, but it came out that he had spinal stenosis problems, but still worth gambling on in the first round on talent alone. Then he got to the NFL and has been mediocre at best, certainly not as good as the Draft Breakdown clips I saw from him beforehand. physical freak of nature hid the fact he was stupid. getting drafted into one of the most complex LB schemes in the nfl kinda hurt his chances.
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Feb 25, 2017 15:23
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all-Rush mixtape posted:Hard Knocks should stick with the AFC. The Texans were fairly boring too aside from Wilfork's custom overalls and CJIII's socks. I guess the whole "is there water in space" thing was endearing
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Feb 28, 2017 17:39
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He wasn't really a physical freak though was he? I remember his 40 being meh
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Feb 28, 2017 21:22
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Benne posted:What happened to Jarvis Jones, anyway? I remember him being a consensus top-5 pick for a while, but it came out that he had spinal stenosis problems, but still worth gambling on in the first round on talent alone. Then he got to the NFL and has been mediocre at best, certainly not as good as the Draft Breakdown clips I saw from him beforehand. He sucks. He has one good game then disappears for weeks at a time. He's ok in coverage, ok at setting the edge, but cannot rush the passer to save his job
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Mar 1, 2017 03:42
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Jarvis Jones' big problem is he's a loving moron. He got by at Georgia solely based on being an athletic freak but you know, you can't fix stupid
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Mar 1, 2017 18:58
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Been three years and I'm STILL mixing up Jarvis Jones with Jarvis Landry.
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fsif posted:Been three years and I'm STILL mixing up Jarvis Jones with Jarvis Landry. Same and also Landry Jones
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Round 1 (#4): Blake Bortles - QB - UCF Coming off the heels of the Chad Henne experience, it was hoped that Blake would evolve into the franchise QB this team has lacked since Brunell really. As of yet that has not happened. D+ (B if he can fix his poo poo) Round 2 (# 39): Marqise Lee - WR - USC Touted as an explosive guy with tremendous after the catch abilty, in his first two seasons he had tremendous ability to get injured, missing 9 games. He's come on strong with a healthy showing in 2016 while completing his first complete season. C- Round 2 (#61): Allen Robinson - WR - Penn State Arguably the best receiver to come out of this draft, Robinson burst onto the scene in 2015 to the tune of 14 touchdowns and 1400 yards with a whopping 17.5 avg. Lights out pick and in hindsight, I think he would go top 10 in the first round in a do-over. Had an off year in 2016, but so did the rest of the offense. A- Round 3 (#93): Brandon Linder - OG - Miami (FL) Linder quickly stood out as our best lineman in his first season, and barring an injury in 2015 that kept him out of 13 games, has maintained his production even during a position change to C. B+ Round 4 (#114): Aaron Colvin - CB - Oklahoma The case for Aaron Colvin is an interesting one. He was supposed to be a really good corner who hurt his knee during the Senior Bowl which caused him to tumble on draft weekend. So far he's been mediocre at best, nothing really stands out about him in 2016, he's just a guy who hasn't come close to his ceiling (2015 stats included 73 tackles, 4 sacks, and 7 pass defenses.) C- Round 5 (#144): Telvin Smith - LB - FSU Classic case of finding the gem in the rough, Smith has been one of the more productive tacklers since coming into the league. He's the kind of guy who is always around the ball, and a big reason why Myles Jack hasn't seen a ton of playing time. A Round 5 (#159):Chris Smith - DE - Arkansas DL Depth, nothing special about him at all. D Round 6 (#205): Luke Bowanko - C - Virginia After starting every game his rookie year (To be fair, the OL as a whole was more of a shitshow then than ever that year so starting didn't really mean a whole lot.) Bowanko has faded into the obscurity of being an OL depth guy. D Round 7 (#222): Storm Johnson - RB - UCF Storm never really had a chance, he was slow to the hole, had bad vision and there was nothing exciting about him. F UDFA: Allen Hurns - WR - Miami (FL) The other half of the Allen Brothers. Much like Robinson, he hit the ground running (receiving?) in 2015 and added 10 scores to his 1031 yards and a 16.1 avg. This was sandwiched by a decent rookie season (677 yards/ 6 TD), and the 2016 let down in which he missed 5 games. B Overall, we got three above average to good recievers, a defensive stalwart, a reliable lineman, and a QB that CAN be great when he makes good decisions. Overall grade: C-
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TSBX posted:
lol no
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how can you say that in the draft that had Evans, OBJ, Landry
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