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Rahzmataz posted:What's the general opinion of Bills fans around Tyrod? I find it hard to keep up with the whims of other fanbases lately. Some people don't like him, but most feel that he's the best option for next season.
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Metapod posted:Why You need a competent veteran who can run the offense while Mariota is out. He's probably going to miss all of spring and time in the summer too. Can you think of anyone better?
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Diqnol posted:Mariota gets hurt because of his small frame maybe? Love or hate him Cassel is better than most backups. He's not, though. I earnestly believe he's as good as like, Cardale Jones. Just draft a rookie late in the draft if you're satisfied with Cassel-level play as a backup. Rahzmataz posted:What's the general opinion of Bills fans around Tyrod? I find it hard to keep up with the whims of other fanbases lately. It was pretty split at the end of the season for some reason, but I think after really letting things settle for a few months, most of the fanbase now wants him back. Still some people who legitimately believe there's no reason to pay a quarterback unless they are likely to be top 5.
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latinotwink1997 posted:So $15m for the GOAT while Andrew luck gets nearly $25m? That's $10m extra they have for paying other players while still having the GOAT. I don't know how they'd enforce something like that, but it does seem to give an advantage to them. A stronger union would heavily lean on players to not take these deals. the NFLPA is not a strong union. Beats the 80's when the NFL paid off the top QB's to union bust.
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Kalli posted:A stronger union would heavily lean on players to not take these deals. the NFLPA is not a strong union. Even with a lean, it's tough to argue against "I want to stay with the only team I've ever been on, with the only coach I've ever had, on a winning team" regardless of what they offer. I mean, the money saved on Brady's deal went to other players in the NFLPA; if the Patriots were sitting on a boatload of cap space & not spending it, that'd be a different story. Rahzmataz posted:What's the general opinion of Bills fans around Tyrod? I find it hard to keep up with the whims of other fanbases lately. The feeling I get is that they'd absolutely love him if he were white, but since he's not he's OK at best despite being the best at the position since Flutie.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:You need a competent veteran who can run the offense while Mariota is out. He's probably going to miss all of spring and time in the summer too. Can you think of anyone better? Rusty Smith is better than Cassel
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Kalli posted:A stronger union would heavily lean on players to not take these deals. the NFLPA is not a strong union. Why not? Their power base, the average NFL player, profits from the top talent taking less money, because it means the broader middle gets more. In the end the amount of money that all players collectively get is fixed anyway.
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Metapod posted:Rusty Smith is better than Cassel
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latinotwink1997 posted:So $15m for the GOAT while Andrew luck gets nearly $25m? That's $10m extra they have for paying other players while still having the GOAT. I don't know how they'd enforce something like that, but it does seem to give an advantage to them. Brady is also like 12 years older than Luck. That's a crazy age disparity in the NFL. In 99% of the circumstances you'd expect the 40 year old to be paid way less than the 28 year old in the NFL no matter how good they were the year before because you'd normally assume their career collapse is imminent. There is kinda no way to legislate against that. Brady could probably get a 1 year deal for some insane sum from like half the teams in the league, absolutely - but nobody with even half a brain would give him a much longer deal that's also for elite money. Even if he has Favre's literally unprecedented durability he's only got one more top season before he hits the wall.
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GaussianCopula posted:In the end the amount of money that all players collectively get is fixed anyway. If the NFLPA had a stronger union this would not be the case.
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Okay, I'm an rear end in a top hat and wanted to see if I could name 64 quarterbacks that are legitimately better than Matt Cassel. Obviously better 27 names Tom Brady, Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Tannehill, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Marcus Mariota, Andrew Luck, Alex Smith, Derrick Carr, Trevor Siemian, Philip Rivers, Dak Prescott, Tony Romo, Eli Manning, Kirk Cousins, Carson Wentz, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford, Jay Cutler, Matt Ryan, Jameis Winston, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Carson Palmer, Colin Kaepernick Still pretty obviously better 11 names (38) Brian Hoyer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Mark Sanchez, Jimmy Garappolo, Josh McCown, Chad Henne, Matt Moore, AJ McCarron, Nick Foles, Derek Anderson, Charlie Whitehurst Probably better and more upside 12 names (50) Mike Glennon, Cody Kessler, Matt Barkley, Blake Bortles, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Terrelle Pryor, Tom Savage, Paxton Lynch, Cardale Jones, Bryce Petty, Chase Daniel Probably better 8 names (58) Luke McCown, Case Keenum, Thad Lewis, Matt McGloin, Shaun Hill, Drew Stanton, Colt McCoy, T.J. Yates Not sure if they're actually better, but I'd still rather have them as a backup 3 names (61) Jacoby Brissett, Trevone Boykin, Joe Webb Teddy Bridgewater? 1 name (62) Teddy Bridgewater About Matt Cassel Tier Blaine Gabbert, Brandon Weeden, Bruce Gradowski, Ryan Mallett, Kellen Clemens, Scott Tolzien, Landry Jones, Dan Orlovsky, Josh Johnson So, I guess there's a case for top 64, but there are so many cheaper options out there that are at least as good! (Also, of course, I'm sure I missed promising third stringers on teams I don't follow, who I would likely also prefer over Matt Cassel.)
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Raiders fans are going to be pissed about the "About Matt Cassel" tier. And the rest of us will continue to wonder why. I say this as an avowed Matt Cassel hater by the way.
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Vollmer to be released by the Patriots. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/02/report-patriots-will-release-sebastian-vollmer/
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fsif posted:Okay, I'm an rear end in a top hat and wanted to see if I could name 64 quarterbacks that are legitimately better than Matt Cassel. Drew Brees just got pissed off and he doesn't know why.
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fsif posted:Okay, I'm an rear end in a top hat and wanted to see if I could name 64 quarterbacks that are legitimately better than Matt Cassel. And then a few tiers below there's Osweiler latinotwink1997 posted:So $15m for the GOAT while Andrew luck gets nearly $25m? That's $10m extra they have for paying other players while still having the GOAT. I don't know how they'd enforce something like that, but it does seem to give an advantage to them. There's no reason to enforce something like that. If a player wants to take less money it should be his right, just as it's his right to leave the team for more money
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Why are the Saints trading their best playmaker?
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sean10mm posted:Vollmer to be released by the Patriots. So they're just going full firesale now? Granted, Vollmer became less of a concern once Marcus Cannon started playing well, but still...
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I despise Matt Cassell but if you think Mark Sanchez is better you need to get your head examined.
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Alter Ego posted:So they're just going full firesale now? Getting an early start on the  LOST SEASON talk, eh?This is the kind of move the Patriots make every year. He's 32 and has a substantial injury history, so they're not paying him.
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ulmont posted:Drew Brees just got pissed off and he doesn't know why. Oops, add another number to that list!
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sean10mm posted:Getting an early start on the This move doesn't bother me nearly as much as letting Donta Hightower hit the open market. Hell, they supposedly got rid of Jones and Collins so they could pay him.
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Alter Ego posted:This move doesn't bother me nearly as much as letting Donta Hightower hit the open market. Hell, they supposedly got rid of Jones and Collins so they could pay him. They might not like their odds on Hightower and like their odds on Bennett.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:They might not like their odds on Hightower and like their odds on Bennett. Really? I'd think Bennett would have offers pouring in from every TE-starved team out there. Even with Hightower not getting tagged I'd put his odds at returning higher than Bennett's. Which sucks, because Marty was amazing and Gronkowski is too busy deadlifting train cars to stay healthy.
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sean10mm posted:Ha ha the joke is Brady is gay, how droll. Fruit spotted
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latinotwink1997 posted:So $15m for the GOAT while Andrew luck gets nearly $25m? That's $10m extra they have for paying other players while still having the GOAT. I don't know how they'd enforce something like that, but it does seem to give an advantage to them. Its almost as if the Israelites who run the NFL have conspired with Robert Kraft to allow his team to run roughshod over the league, cheating in any way they feel like.
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Alter Ego posted:Really? I'd think Bennett would have offers pouring in from every TE-starved team out there. Even with Hightower not getting tagged I'd put his odds at returning higher than Bennett's. Bennett is almost 100% gone, so yeah. He's openly said he wants a big payday.
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oldskool posted:The feeling I get is that they'd absolutely love him if he were white, but since he's not he's OK at best despite being the best at the position since Flutie. 
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sean10mm posted:Bennett is almost 100% gone, so yeah. He's openly said he wants a big payday. How's the draft look for TE prospects?
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Alter Ego posted:How's the draft look for TE prospects? I think there's multiple strong prospects, one or two that might be first-rounders but unlikely to drop to the Patriots unless they actually trade Jimmy G for a first.
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I mostly keep hearing this draft is super deep for TEs, CBs and safeties
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DNS posted:Fruit spotted Nah, it's not spotted, my fruit is fresh. 
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Trade tom brady to the browns for first overall or the niners for second over all, plus gary barnidge or vance mcdonald, plus some extra picks. Superbowl 2017 with Jimmy Garoppolo
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Intruder posted:And then a few tiers below there's Osweiler Yea, but like everyone except Pats fans, I'm tired of every other SB being the Pats, and being able to make deals like this only perpetuates the dynasty. It'd be nice to see more variability in teams.
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fsif posted:Brb just going to go barf Also, I can't believe we actually got a draft pick out of the Cowboys for Matt Cassel. This is your reminder that Matt Cassel lost the back-up job to E.J. Manuel.
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latinotwink1997 posted:Yea, but like everyone except Pats fans, I'm tired of every other SB being the Pats, and being able to make deals like this only perpetuates the dynasty. It'd be nice to see more variability in teams. I got tired of seeing the Spurs in the loving Finals, that doesn't mean Duncan should have been forced to be paid what he's worth if winning is more important to him
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One day when Brady is traded, it's gonna be the super trade of a lifetime. The Patriots just constantly trade off good players and let players walk for compensatory picks. In 2020 when Brady is traded to the Browns, Bellichick will end up with picks #1-#10 in the first round and will win the Super Bowl with the ridiculous Super Team. And then he'll have a bomb attached to himself on the podium as Gooddell is handing him his 10th Super Bowl trophy. He'll smile at the camera. And then the feed goes black.
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Intruder posted:I got tired of seeing the Spurs in the loving Finals, that doesn't mean Duncan should have been forced to be paid what he's worth if winning is more important to him The Patriots pay him outside of the salary cap. He's not getting less money than Andrew Luck because winning is more important to him than it is to Luck, he's doing it because he and the Patriots are getting away with fraud.
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