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HazCat posted:Even worse if it's a UK company, because then they have no excuse not to be aware of consumer laws involved. They just straight up tried to break the law over $40. Like I said, we don't know what the initial response said. I'm withholding judgment until I see it.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Huh? Achtung! Cthulhu, Mutant Chronicles 3e, and Thunderbirds Boardgame all arrived right on time for me. Really? Mutant Chronicles 3E hit a bunch of delays from what I recall, to the point that they extended the time frame on the book subscriptions they offered at least once and I think maybe twice. I mean, they're definitely delivering and at this point most of the books are done, so I have no complaints, but I wouldn't call that "right on time".
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fr0id posted:Like I said, we don't know what the initial response said. I'm withholding judgment until I see it. That's cool of you to do. I'm not doing the same because this: PST posted:I suspect that their desperation not to give me a refund is because of worrying about the floodgates opening, but in denying it they're amusingly opening themselves up to actual legal problems because the UK/EU has consumer law that actually protects the consumer. quote:Edit: And amusingly 30 or so minutes after more people were asking about refunds and how to get them I was suddenly refunded and my pledge cancelled. Is plenty for me personally to feel comfortable judging them. PST asked for a refund for a product they had failed to receive, and was denied it. I don't care what the specific wording of the denial was, because it obviously wasn't "yes, you can have the refund you are legally entitled to".
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grassy gnoll posted:Like, the thing's gonna come out, and they've been working on it since the funding campaign ended, but it's gonna be really late. Some people hate this, some people don't care. I didn't hate that it was late, I hated that they repeatedly lied (and are still doing so).
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fr0id posted:Like I said, we don't know what the initial response said. I'm withholding judgment until I see it. Edit: I asked for a refund through their customer service system and then posted on the kickstarter that I was doing so: quote:We’ve worked hard despite a catalogue of issues - both personal problems, delays and approvals issues and when we missed the February deadline we gave everyone $40 worth of extra pdf’s - which almost doubled the value of your total pledge (which is £40). We’ve constantly been in touch about development and have delivered most of the core book in PDF which is the format you chose as your reward. As a result we could not refund you as you have actually been in receipt of part of your order, and it would be unfair on other backers. If we had not delivered updates, ignored backers and not delivered any product then according to Kickstarter terms and conditions if we cannot deliver the product then we should give refunds. Edit: I replied that It's not my problem, i'm entitled to a refund and I want one within a reasonable timespan, that they're bound by UK law on it and that I'd had enough - I pointed out all the reasons why. quote:
I'd asked for a refund, again they're not giving it and are trying to talk me out if it. I pointed out the law, and that I was prepared to go to small claims court if need be. They didn't reply to that and it was then only once people on the kickstarter comments started talking about refunds the next day after my post that they refunded me. No email to me, just the kickstarter refund. In the space of about 6 weeks their 'wave 3 by the end of the year' has become 'spring 2018, though that's not been communicated to backers. They've moved dates over and over and I just hit my limit for it with the bullshit, so I did what I was legally entitled to do - get a loving refund. PST fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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cyberia posted:What do people think about Satanic Panic? I don't know, At first I thought it was going to be all OW THE EDGE but the more I look at it, it just looks like someone making a slightly fun setting for their game. I want to reserve judgement for it until I see a ruleset though. Going to pledge and hope they have a playtest. EDIT: Oh almost forgot, any love for that sweet sweet robin hood action (from the guys that did Baker Street)? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fearlightgames/hood-swashbuckling-adventures-in-sherwood/description Druggeddwarf fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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PST posted:[Modiphius denying a refund because they gave you a gift certificate.] Okay, yeah, I can see how that's shady. I get them thinking that they've partially given you items already, but those aren't things that you actually pledged for. They could argue for giving you back a partial refund, but the value of a bunch of unfinished chapters is probably like 1 dollar out of the total pledge. So they should have just sucked it up right away and given the refund. Strange that they'd act that way, since they've been good at customer service otherwise from what I've seen. Sorry to doubt you, I just prefer direct quotes rather than paraphrasing about disputes like this.
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fr0id posted:Okay, yeah, I can see how that's shady. I get them thinking that they've partially given you items already, but those aren't things that you actually pledged for. They could argue for giving you back a partial refund, but the value of a bunch of unfinished chapters is probably like 1 dollar out of the total pledge. So they should have just sucked it up right away and given the refund. Strange that they'd act that way, since they've been good at customer service otherwise from what I've seen. Sorry to doubt you, I just prefer direct quotes rather than paraphrasing about disputes like this. A) I'd not downloaded any of the chapters along the way, nor did I use the coupon they sent out (even given I only received one). B) The UK Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013 mean that it's not until after you've received the actual product that the 'timer' starts on how long you have to get a refund, before then you're entitled at any time. For me the reasons for getting the refund were: A) I'd read that they'd already denied them to other people (I believe in the US) and I knew they couldn't get away with it in the UK. Denying refunds on a 15 month late project is just lovely. B) I knew they were lying about how long it would take to get 18 books that need to be approved by CB released. Not 'hopeful for' just outright lying. C) Chris' behaviour through the kickstarter has been dismissive of complaints throughout. He didn't apologise in his emails to me, just threw a bunch of bullshit (It's not a with profits fund, so the other backers have nothing to do with me getting a refund or not). Ohh, i forgot he also tried telling me that if I stayed in until the end of march and they didn't release, that he'd refund me and leave my pledge intact. Problem is he'd already lost me as a customer, I now have a very poor view of Modiphius, one which has been worsening throughout the campaign. PST fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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malkav11 posted:Really? Mutant Chronicles 3E hit a bunch of delays from what I recall, to the point that they extended the time frame on the book subscriptions they offered at least once and I think maybe twice. I mean, they're definitely delivering and at this point most of the books are done, so I have no complaints, but I wouldn't call that "right on time". Not from what I saw. In fact, Dark Eden is going to the printer right now and they've kept updating and releasing beta versions of the line the whole time so everybody knew where they were in the process. It's been great.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Not from what I saw. In fact, Dark Eden is going to the printer right now and they've kept updating and releasing beta versions of the line the whole time so everybody knew where they were in the process. It's been great. Mutant Chronicles Due date was July/Aug 2014 for PDF/Print They weren't shipped in PDF or Print until September 2015...
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Druggeddwarf posted:EDIT: Oh almost forgot, any love for that sweet sweet robin hood action (from the guys that did Baker Street)? Huh, that looks pretty cool. I liked Baker Street quite a bit and I'm a sucker for anything Robin Hood.
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Yeah Modiphius is consistently behind release dates. That's one of the reasons I decided not to back anything else of theirs after the MC kickstarter.
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Kwyndig posted:Yeah Modiphius is consistently behind release dates. That's one of the reasons I decided not to back anything else of theirs after the MC kickstarter. I've never minded kickstarters being a year or so late even without much communication--I mean back when I used to occasionally pre-order RPG books that was basically the norm. When it gets past one year I get more antsy and start making inquiries and the responses to those affect my confidence a lot more. Of course, the only Modiphius-related kickstarter I backed was Conan and that's doing reasonably well. Dealing with them after retail is achieved has also been pretty painless, but that's when they just have to slap a label on something and ship it.
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PST posted:Mutant Chronicles Due date was July/Aug 2014 for PDF/Print Huh? I never noticed. Guess I can be patient.
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PST posted:Mutant Chronicles Due date was July/Aug 2014 for PDF/Print Yeah. And the PDF Subscription (which I purchased) specified all books as they are released in 2014 and 2015. Since they didn't release anything at all in 2014 and only barely made 2015, it would not have been worth much if they hadn't extended it. Mind you, like I say, I don't really care about delays. But they definitely were there.
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Looks like we've got another contender coming up for "not-Far West". At least one disgruntled FW backer is posting links to it in the kickstarter comments page (where GMS recently tried to play the victim card and claim that everyone was big meanies for going through the attorney general rather than contact him for a refund; of course people who *did* contact him were told he wasn't issuing refunds). https://brokenrulergames.net/high-plains-samurai/hpsrehearsal/
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Of course he's not issuing refunds, that would require him to still have any money and the fact that he wasn't able to keep an artist tells me he blew all that money on other stuff ages ago. Probably paid himself the lion's share of it for his subpar layout work and writing. It's what I would do if I were a mildly famous writer drunk on his own ego.
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Desiden posted:Looks like we've got another contender coming up for "not-Far West". At least one disgruntled FW backer is posting links to it in the kickstarter comments page (where GMS recently tried to play the victim card and claim that everyone was big meanies for going through the attorney general rather than contact him for a refund; of course people who *did* contact him were told he wasn't issuing refunds). This is probably a lot more work and effort than has gone into Far West so far. Ratpick fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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Hell, that description alone has more stuff in it than Far West did, which was mainly just "there are martial arts and steampunk science".
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Desiden posted:Looks like we've got another contender coming up for "not-Far West". At least one disgruntled FW backer is posting links to it in the kickstarter comments page (where GMS recently tried to play the victim card and claim that everyone was big meanies for going through the attorney general rather than contact him for a refund; of course people who *did* contact him were told he wasn't issuing refunds). I'm surprised it took this long for someone to rip off a game that looked like it is never coming out and the customers are mad and probably still somewhat want something like they put their money down on.
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I'm scrolling through the free PDF here and there while at work, and this is already better than FW even at a cursory glance. Character creation looks like "pick where you're from, get a benefit from that; pick your Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven archetype, that gives you your code of honor and an ability.quote:Hunan
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We'll all be eating humble pie once the far west pdfs drop at the end of the month. I'm sorry, next month. His computer pooped again. Oh jeez, another health crisis? Well, at least he's got something to show us like huh, I wonder if he forgot to send out
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Gareth said he was going to release "something" in "the coming week". That was 5 days ago.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Gareth said he was going to release "something" in "the coming week". I think you'll find that a week has 7 days  There's no way in gently caress he'll release anything
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Matthew Byers, also known as “Fez Sinister” has been terrorizing gamers since 1981 with his unique brand of storytelling. He is a collector of fezzes and is a villainous game master extraordinaire. One day he woke up and realized that in his career as a game master he has killed hundreds of player characters but that he would never be able to kill thousands of characters unless he created his own game. And so Graveyard of Heroes was born. e: quote:Can my character die in character creation?
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He's been doing this since the 80s, which literally explains everything.
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Why bother even having a detailed race or character creation system? Just have people roll on random tables to generate characters faster! In fact, why have players? We can just create a series of RNGs for a GM to sit in front of and watch people die. I mean, it lacks the smugness of pulling somebody's character sheet out of their hands, but you've got thousands of characters to kill off! Time to implement your therbligs and really do what RPGs are all about, producing a numbers machine to eliminate imaginary names.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Matthew Byers, also known as “Fez Sinister” has been terrorizing gamers since 1981 with his unique brand of storytelling. He is a collector of fezzes and is a villainous game master extraordinaire. One day he woke up and realized that in his career as a game master he has killed hundreds of player characters but that he would never be able to kill thousands of characters unless he created his own game. And so Graveyard of Heroes was born. If the character can't die in character creation, I am forced to assume that this guy isn't committed to his concept. 
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theironjef posted:What is it with grogs and defining at least 50% of their personality through hats? It's easier to just go and buy a prop than it is to grow a personality.
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Look, as the Ushanka GM™, I can attest how a hat reflects your m-waves back into your head, improving your GMing capacity by 233%. but my head is so hot, so hot, ugh, so very hot
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Empires of the Void II, from Red Raven Games/Ryan Laukat (Above and Below, Islebound, Eight-Minute Empires, City of Iron, etc.) just hit KS.
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Evil Mastermind posted:It's easier to just go and buy a prop than it is to grow a personality. 
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Mojo Jojo posted:Having read the rules this seems a bit simple and bland. What am I missing? I think simple and bland has described basically all the Ryan Laukat games that I've played. They look pretty, though.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Why bother even having a detailed race or character creation system? Just have people roll on random tables to generate characters faster! In fact, why have players? We can just create a series of RNGs for a GM to sit in front of and watch people die. I mean, it lacks the smugness of pulling somebody's character sheet out of their hands, but you've got thousands of characters to kill off! Time to implement your therbligs and really do what RPGs are all about, producing a numbers machine to eliminate imaginary names. Pitch it to level99: A board game based on being a DM who has to kill the most characters while not alienating their player base.
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Mojo Jojo posted:Having read the rules this seems a bit simple and bland. What am I missing? Possibly nothing, I'm not backing it. I like Ryan Laukat generally but this didn't grab me enough to get it over other things I want more.
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LordAba posted:Pitch it to level99: A board game based on being a DM who has to kill the most characters while not alienating their player base. Keep the L99 anime theme and art and we've got ourselves a Death Note boardgame!
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This is maybe only tangentially related to kickstarters, but I finally got my copy of Gloomhaven last week and I'm a little overwhelmed in terms of figuring out how to store everything. It's my first game of this order of magnitude; what do people tend to use to store all the little pieces? Right now I've got a lot of things in ziplock bags, but I'm not sure that's quite ideal. I'd also like to sleeve up the most commonly used decks, which I've never done for a boardgame before. Are there particular brands of sleeves for the mini-cards that people would recommend?
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