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http://people.com/movies/beauty-and-the-beast-disney-first-openly-gay-character-lefou/ LeFou is literally gay for gaston
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Hedrigall posted:http://people.com/movies/beauty-and-the-beast-disney-first-openly-gay-character-lefou/ This is how I played LeFou in my high school production of BATB; I thought everyone just obviously knew this about the character
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Mar 1, 2017 23:23
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Hedrigall posted:http://people.com/movies/beauty-and-the-beast-disney-first-openly-gay-character-lefou/ and this is news
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Mar 1, 2017 23:40
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 : "no one says no to Gaston!" : "darn right!"
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Mar 1, 2017 23:41
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Woah, woah, woah, woah. Are you telling me Rattigan isn't canonically Basil's jilted lover?
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Mar 1, 2017 23:46
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like the first half of Gaston's song is LaFou gushing about how hot he is they don't get into his underhanded qualities or his competitiveness until other folks start singing
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:and this is news I guess the new part is where LeFou gets a boyfriend by the end of the film, like legitimately, that's happening in this film and didn't happen in the 90s version
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quote:He’s played on-screen by Josh Gad, a Tony nominee recognizable to Disney audiences for voicing Olaf in Frozen. In Beauty and the Beast, the 36-year-old will dig his teeth into LeFou’s new subplot — which includes a crush on his pal Gaston (Fast & Furious star Luke Evans) and a happily ever after moment of his own. this is nice i suppose, now only if the beast stays a beast at the end...
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Mar 2, 2017 00:03
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Hedrigall posted:http://people.com/movies/beauty-and-the-beast-disney-first-openly-gay-character-lefou/ This all rings a bit hollow after watching Peter Rosenthal's trenchant analysis of the original
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Das Boo posted:Woah, woah, woah, woah. Are you telling me Rattigan isn't canonically Basil's jilted lover? He better not be because that is a Rat Fact
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Mar 2, 2017 01:15
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Hedrigall posted:http://people.com/movies/beauty-and-the-beast-disney-first-openly-gay-character-lefou/ Gad makes an unexpectedly cute LeFou but man the direction in this is unbelievably lazy.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Gad makes an unexpectedly cute LeFou but man the direction in this is unbelievably lazy. The reactions to all of this are incredibly hostile.
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Mar 3, 2017 12:16
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I'm never gonna see it because I don't have any interest in seeing it, but based on the trailer I saw before Lego Batman (what a good movie that was, btw), I'm mostly just left wondering "why are they doing this in live action if they're just going to mostly copy the animated one?" It doesn't seem like they're doing anything majorly different with it  I'd be interested if they were trying to shake things up in how they handle the story.
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Mar 3, 2017 12:21
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Well, it's 40 minutes longer than the animated version, so they've apparently added A LOT.
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Mar 3, 2017 12:24
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FirstAidKite posted:It doesn't seem like they're doing anything majorly different with it 
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FirstAidKite posted:I'm never gonna see it because I don't have any interest in seeing it, but based on the trailer I saw before Lego Batman (what a good movie that was, btw), I'm mostly just left wondering "why are they doing this in live action if they're just going to mostly copy the animated one?" Gender-swap Belle into the male equivalent, out to escape a domineering gender-swapped Gaston's attempts to ensnare him into a forced marriage. Also, Beast remains a beast. Wrap, print, savor.
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LeJackal posted:The reactions to all of this are incredibly hostile. That's not too surprising. Every place keeps going on about omg it's Disney's first openly gay character go Disney!!! Except that the character is the lackey of one of the grosser Disney villians and if he's anything like the animated version he's mostly a joke character. I'm not gay so I can't really comment on how the gay community feels about it, I've just seen this response on twitter a lot from gay people I follow. I think it's more people are more annoyed at everyone patting Disney on the pack for this than the actual character itself edit: That's on top of the movie looking like an utter pile of poo poo garbage
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LeJackal posted:Gender-swap Belle into the male equivalent, out to escape a domineering gender-swapped Gaston's attempts to ensnare him into a forced marriage. Instead, a version where Gaston gets locked up and learns to be a decent human being after seeing what he could potentially become in The Beast
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Mar 3, 2017 12:57
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Let's go the whole nine yards: Gaston barrels in to save Belle, Belle and Beast have just been chilling together all this time, Belle shows Gaston that Beast is actually a cool dude, like really cool, Gaston and Beast end up together and Belle is the hero for saving Beast with the power of true friendship and finding him true love.
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Then Gaston and the Beast do it 
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Das Boo posted:Let's go the whole nine yards: Gaston barrels in to save Belle, Belle and Beast have just been chilling together all this time, Belle shows Gaston that Beast is actually a cool dude, like really cool, Gaston and Beast end up together and Belle is the hero for saving Beast with the power of true friendship and finding him true love. No stop.... Hedrigall posted:Then Gaston and the Beast do it No no no my screenplay........  *puts script in trash, unoriginal*
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Hedrigall posted:Then Gaston and the Beast do it For the whole extra 40 mins of screen time. Just going at it nonstop.
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Given that they said LeFou gets his own happily-ever-after ending, I'm just assuming that the extra forty minutes are Belle, the Beast, and all of the servants planning and then throwing an extravagant wedding for LeFou and Gaston*. *In this version, instead of falling from the tower and dying, Gaston falls...in love!
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FirstAidKite posted:I'm never gonna see it because I don't have any interest in seeing it, but based on the trailer I saw before Lego Batman (what a good movie that was, btw), I'm mostly just left wondering "why are they doing this in live action if they're just going to mostly copy the animated one?" Based on Cinderella and The Jungle Book, the MO so far has been adding in a bunch of new content, but making sure to hit all the main points from the old one. That way they can press everyone's nostalgia buttons and have the movie still be a reasonable length for a blockbuster. LeJackal posted:Also, Beast remains a beast. This is basically what they did with The Jungle Book.
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So far, all of the 'changes' as revealed really just come down to more exposition: the enchantment upon Beast always applied to the castle/servants, but now it's explicit; LeFou was always a queer-coded sycophant, but now he's explicitly homosexual; etc. Most of that extra 40-minutes is gonna be photographs of characters talking with pathos - especially Belle, because she's the phallic-mouthpiece of the film's themes. Some of it will be, like, making the fight with the wolves 'more epic' or whatever.
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They should remake beauty and the beast but its a stable timeloop story where Gaston is both the cursed prince and the Beast and Belle is both his lover and the witch. Later I will write 10,000 words about how this relates to post cold war Belarus.
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ThePlague-Daemon posted:This is basically what they did with The Jungle Book. in that case it's both true to the source material (well, more or less, in a shorthand kind of way) and also really cool and good
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Barudak posted:They should remake beauty and the beast but its a stable timeloop story where Gaston is both the cursed prince and the Beast and Belle is both his lover and the witch. I agree: they should make the remake more like the Cocteau film.
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I still really don't like how the "live action" Disney films look, with my sole exception being Cinderella because there's not a ton of the weird uncanny valley poo poo like there are in the others.
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The_Doctor posted:For the whole extra 40 mins of screen time. Just going at it nonstop. It's gotta have full penetration. And maybe can we get Dolph Lundgren as Gaston?
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What role does the Ghost of Walt play in all of this, though?
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Pick posted:I still really don't like how the "live action" Disney films look, with my sole exception being Cinderella because there's not a ton of the weird uncanny valley poo poo like there are in the others. Was Cinderella any good? Did it bring anything new to the table over the cartoon from way back? I say a few gifs of it and it looked rather pretty.
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Drifter posted:Was Cinderella any good? Did it bring anything new to the table over the cartoon from way back? I say a few gifs of it and it looked rather pretty. I'm a big fan, and definitely. It's not one of the ones where they chaaaanged a bunch of things, it was more adding depth to what was going on. Good film.
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In other news, there were some great Hexxus cels on eBay (I think there's one left) and I eventually decided on this one, so hello new villain cel! I love Kathy Zielinski's work so I'm super stoked to finally have something she worked on.
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I believe it's FernGully
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I think David Tennant's voice is too young and light for Scrooge McDuck. They should have got Peter Capaldi. Also, the animation looks really.. pale. Where's the dark richness Disney animation used to have? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-LNgU4e1rE
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The_Doctor posted:I think David Tennant's voice is too young and light for Scrooge McDuck. They should have got Peter Capaldi. I think it looks fun!
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Macaluso posted:That's not too surprising. Every place keeps going on about omg it's Disney's first openly gay character go Disney!!! Except that the character is the lackey of one of the grosser Disney villians and if he's anything like the animated version he's mostly a joke character. I'm not gay so I can't really comment on how the gay community feels about it, I've just seen this response on twitter a lot from gay people I follow. I think it's more people are more annoyed at everyone patting Disney on the pack for this than the actual character itself Yeah. If feels particularly egregious, because for all their talk of having a "gay moment" (whatever that mean), from all the material released so far, it doesn't look like it's actually doing anything different from the gay coding of villains done in the past (and in usually a much more classy manner) a la Scar, Jafar, and Ratigan. And since at least two of those guys were much more intelligent and charming than Le Fou (which means "crazy," I remind) anyway... this doesn't feel like a step up, exactly. A pink bow? Seriously? So I probably won't see the movie because of Josh Gad. If I see the movie, it will be to see what Emma Watson can do with a character that was pretty much a cipher* in the animated movie... and because I want to see if the Beast and his relationships with people have changed. I was given some hope by the rose in the trailers, because that's from the original fairy tale, but it does look like they're cleaving close to what happens in the 1990 movie, which kinda makes me sad since there was not enough difference drawn between the Beast and Gaston for my taste. Oh, there was a difference, of course: both are portrayed initially as ravening beasts who only see Belle as a means to an end and want to trap her in a reductionist role to serve that end, but only one is willing to whip up a mob and kill people to do it.** * Seriously, who is Belle? What does she want to do; what is her arc? The only traits that the movie ascribed to her was "likes books" and "wants adventure", without actually describing what adventure means in this instance. Is it travelling the world? Starting her own business somewhere? In fact, the only thing she does that indicates a particular intelligence is dressing the Beast's wounds, and that falls under the same feminine auspice that was "allowed" at the time; we aren't shown that she is actually smart, we are told so. Jasmine from Aladdin suffers from much the same problem, having only the trait of "not wanting to marry someone she didn't choose" as any sort of character, which is a step back if anything- such a character isn't a character, it's a polemic against arranged marriage. ** Well, okay, there are some discernible positive character changes that can be noticed in the Beast's character journey. But the change is too abrupt to be believable to me: first he's horrible to Belle, then they save each other's lives, after which everything is great? That's not enough of a contrast with Gaston to really bring home the point that the movie was very obviously going for (outward appearances don't matter); remember, in the original fairy tale, the Beast was nothing but absolutely polite and kind to Belle, he just forbade her to leave and didn't show himself- Belle had to find out that he was a Beast at all, which is a heck of a lot more agency than Belle ever got in the movie. I'm not saying that the Beast had to be absolutely nice, but there should have been something besides being a furry Gaston to get Belle to want to stay. Besides, it's always bothered me that the Beast never apologizes on-screen to Belle for his actions, for hurting Maurice or Belle's own imprisonment- the apology is meant to be implied by the wolf attack, and then the whole giving the library to her later, and Bell accepts it as such. Don't like that: an apology is an apology, is saying "I'm sorry," or it's not an apology, it's a distraction from the issue... and going through personal suffering or loss doesn't cut it, and shouldn't, and it is a disservice to say otherwise, particularly in a movie for children ("Hey Kids! if you mess up really bad, you don't have to say you're sorry: just get really hurt saving a life and shower people with presents, and you're golden!") e: drat, thought I fixed that... resurgam40 fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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