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bird food bathtub posted:Because when my team does it, it's a good thing. When your team does it that's bad. Actually in 2017 it's more like "well you didn't get them in trouble for it so we are allowed to do it."
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I know some of you hate Greenwald and he can be insufferable most of the time but he has a purpose and he's pretty consistent in his views. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/837651241429831680 The media isn't helping their case when they post stuff that that. They gotta slow this poo poo down and if they wanna take down trump they gotta be meticulous and Correct, not just try to keep their subscription numbers up
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Mar 3, 2017 15:03
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I'm still not getting sick of stories like these: https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/837658298950242304
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Hot Karl Marx posted:I know some of you hate Greenwald and he can be insufferable most of the time but he has a purpose and he's pretty consistent in his views. We are a capitalist society first, a democracy second.
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Mar 3, 2017 15:17
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mlmp08 posted:Sessions being some Russian collaborator seems far fetched to me. But the amount of people who were screaming about Benghazi and Emails but immediately dismiss any Russian poo poo as fake news is exasperating. Especially with more shady types like Flynn and Manafort. The truth neither side wants to admit is the vast majority of people don't give two shits about Benghazi or Russia, and neither side also wants to admit that Trump is the President because of that. He's a rejection of the status quo and as long as they use status quo tactics against him he's gonna win in 2020.
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Mar 3, 2017 15:35
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Hot Karl Marx posted:I know some of you hate Greenwald and he can be insufferable most of the time but he has a purpose and he's pretty consistent in his views. I read these three articles and I'd like to point out that none of these articles are conflicting. Intelligence was gathered: it was not significant. Greenwald tries to be cute and sensationalist, as if there's no room for discussion or interpretation al all.
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Mar 3, 2017 15:37
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VikingSkull posted:The truth neither side wants to admit is the vast majority of people don't give two shits about Benghazi or Russia, and neither side also wants to admit that Trump is the President because of that. He's a rejection of the status quo and as long as they use status quo tactics against him he's gonna win in 2020. Yes, let's predict the outcome of 2020, that's the big takeaway from this latest election and all of the controversies of the first month and a half of this administration.
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Mar 3, 2017 15:38
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Pesticide20 posted:Yes, let's predict the outcome of 2020, that's the big takeaway from this latest election and all of the controversies of the first month and a half of this administration. No, the takeaway from my post is that neither side is willing to accept what happened in November, but instead of refuting that it's far easier to focus on the last couple of words I guess.
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Mar 3, 2017 15:40
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/837633820417482754 We can talk about how hosed the Russia stuff is, but what's really hosed is how Trump gets policy ideas from AM diarrhea spew talk shows.
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Svartvit posted:I read these three articles and I'd like to point out that none of these articles are conflicting. Intelligence was gathered: it was not significant. Greenwald tries to be cute and sensationalist, as if there's no room for discussion or interpretation al all. But there is room for discussion, there are 3 different views about this raid and no one wants to budge. Also almost all the info is from anonymous sources so who the gently caress knows is saying this poo poo.
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Mar 3, 2017 15:44
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Hot Karl Marx posted:But there is room for discussion, there are 3 different views about this raid and no one wants to budge. Also almost all the info is from anonymous sources so who the gently caress knows is saying this poo poo. This is my biggest issue with the media right now, especially regarding Trump. Everything is an anonymous source and very little in the way of concrete evidence is being offered up.
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Mar 3, 2017 15:46
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The cool thing we know for sure about the raid is like a whole bunch of toddlers died and poo poo 
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Mar 3, 2017 15:49
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VikingSkull posted:This is my biggest issue with the media right now, especially regarding Trump. Everything is an anonymous source and very little in the way of concrete evidence is being offered up. Actual sources would lead to those sources being immediately fired and their corresponding agencies put under even more of a microscope, likely leading to the loss of other sources (be they leakers on the Trump administration or actual intelligence sources). Everything being leaked and published right now is being done so carefully with respect to sources and methods, which is a breath of fresh air when compared to Snowden and Manning.
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Mar 3, 2017 15:54
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redneck nazgul posted:Actual sources would lead to those sources being immediately fired and their corresponding agencies put under even more of a microscope, likely leading to the loss of other sources (be they leakers on the Trump administration or actual intelligence sources). The thing is they didn't give two shits when it was Snowden and Manning so I still have no reason to believe the media has anything resembling integrity now. Maybe it's because I skew older than most of you guys, I was jaded and cynical years ago and I don't believe a word of what the press or either political party says, I need evidence. Snowden and Manning I believed because the evidence was right there, and no one denied it was accurate. Same with the content of the DNC leaks, there was documentation and no one denied it. As far as "shadowy person says this, therefor it is true", well, meh, we'll see.
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Mar 3, 2017 15:59
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A lot of us are early to mid 30s and jaded/cynical, slow down there big block snowflake
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Hot Karl Marx posted:But there is room for discussion, there are 3 different views about this raid and no one wants to budge. Also almost all the info is from anonymous sources so who the gently caress knows is saying this poo poo. Explain to me how these articles represent three different views, and not three views that are more or less the same, but with different headlines.
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maffew buildings posted:A lot of us are early to mid 30s and jaded/cynical, slow down there big block snowflake That's why I said maybe, but remember I'm pushing late 30's and that 5 years or so means I was already nearly an adult when I saw the shenanigans the right pulled against Clinton in the 90's and have vivid memories of senile Reagan. Though I'm willing to bet if you're jaded and cynical like me you know where I'm coming from and don't immediately assume I'm some idiot Trump voter making excuses for him.
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I am not of the camp that 'Hillary would have won if it weren't for Russia", but I do think the Trump administration and it's Russian ties need to be investigated. With Manafort, Flynn, and now Sessions, along with Trump's business bullshit and his idiot son in law all having deep ties, and the sudden drastic disappearance of much of his debt once Trump moved so much of his financial poo poo to Russia... Occam's Razor- Russia worked with him to get him in office. Factor in the Apt 29 hacks and other assorted Russian shenanigans, and I can't help but believe that Trump has a Russia hand up his rear end.
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Svartvit posted:Explain to me how these articles represent three different views, and not three views that are more or less the same, but with different headlines. Because not everyone carefully reads every article infront of them and if they start seeing headlines with 3 different things being said they're going to start thinking 'hmm maybe trump is right'? And maybe they shouldn't say little to no evidence found when to some people, that might be the evidence needed to justify the raid? Edit: I would love it if trump is in Putin's pocket, but I'm not going to start believing it until something empirical comes out
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bulletsponge13 posted:I am not of the camp that 'Hillary would have won if it weren't for Russia", but I do think the Trump administration and it's Russian ties need to be investigated. With Manafort, Flynn, and now Sessions, along with Trump's business bullshit and his idiot son in law all having deep ties, and the sudden drastic disappearance of much of his debt once Trump moved so much of his financial poo poo to Russia... I'm absolutely in the same camp as this but as long as the evidence is hidden from the American public to protect sources or because "it's classified" it's just going to continue to appear to millions of people as a partisan witch hunt.
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They arrested a copycat dude that was threatening the jewish centers, but the original guy/guys are still out there. This copycat dude was just pissed off at a woman. https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/837679808389742597 https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/837679963230863364
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VikingSkull posted:The thing is they didn't give two shits when it was Snowden and Manning so I still have no reason to believe the media has anything resembling integrity now. Maybe it's because I skew older than most of you guys, I was jaded and cynical years ago and I don't believe a word of what the press or either political party says, I need evidence. You're absolutely justified in being suspicious of all of this and not taking it immediately as the gospel truth. Ultimately, the media is concerned with getting your eyeballs onto their words so they can justify their existence to advertisers and make money. Holding the powers-that-be accountable is secondary to that, and it's sort of a happy coincidence that the two are lining up right now. There's a lot of smoke and no fire right now. Whether that's because there's a lot of people making up bullshit and having it accepted, a lot of people leaking poo poo out of political revenge, or because stirring the pot is the one way to get the public pissed off enough to start forcing Congress (i.e, the one body who can actually do anything about this) to actually do their jobs and investigate remains to be seen. As far as there not being any concrete evidence of anything, consider the following: The House of Representatives has already said they're not going to investigate or hold anyone accountable for any of the Russia stuff so far, and there's nothing to suggest that it's on anything other than a partisan basis. Similarly, the FBI is not providing any answers to any questions that the Democratic members on the House Intelligence Committee have. You can view this in a few lights. A: "Okay, the GOP doesn't want to hold anyone accountable and the FBI under Comey is complicit in this" B: "This is one gigantic pile of nothing and nothing's going to come of it" C: Comedy  option of "Comey's not saying poo poo to anyone because he needs to keep everything tightly under wraps because of who's involved"D: Fill in your own here. There are some people are going to think this is a partisan witch hunt up until there's a literal video involving Trump, Putin, hookers, and piss, and they're likely the same people who are going to unfailingly support Trump. What needs to happen is that these connections to Russia need to be investigated by someone outside of the executive and legislative branch, and currently, the number of Americans supporting investigation into this is growing with each new story. If the Trump administration is actually innocent and can prove that this is a partisan witch hunt, it would be the single greatest advantage Trump could ask for because then there's clear proof that the media/intelligence community/everybody outside of his inner circle and Breitbart are out to get him, and that will sway millions more people than nebulous "A senior official said a thing..." accusations ever will.
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Without hyperbole, I believe that if the media becoming discredited because all of this is demonstrated to be nonsense, that's the moment when Octavian Caesar sits in the consul's chair and gives the finger to the Senate. The death of the republic. Also jet fuel can't burn hot enough to melt steel beams.
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redneck nazgul posted:You're absolutely justified in being suspicious of all of this and not taking it immediately as the gospel truth. Ultimately, the media is concerned with getting your eyeballs onto their words so they can justify their existence to advertisers and make money. Holding the powers-that-be accountable is secondary to that, and it's sort of a happy coincidence that the two are lining up right now. That last part is what Im afraid of. If they turn out to be wrong, everyone is hosed. It's not worth it to be pushing this hard if the outcome isn't certain cause the consequences are much, much worse.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:I know some of you hate Greenwald and he can be insufferable most of the time but he has a purpose and he's pretty consistent in his views. No, he hasn't. Greenwald is the first to get super histrionic about U.S. IC and military capabilities without a hint of context. But as soon as any smoke circles start appearing that say maybe, just maybe, the FSB was loving around in the U.S. Election, he's suddenly the cautious journalist telling everyone that there's no proof and that anyone asking the administration to be accountable is being delusional. David Simon called him out for his stupid schtick yesterday. He's the first person to scream that the NSA and the U.S. Intelligence community have dark motives upon first discovery of the PRISM program without any evidence of it's actual use as well as fabricating outright falsehoods, like his original claim that all U.S. Manufactured network devices had backdoors installed in them by the NSA. He later retracted that one, after clarifying he meant that the NSA was intercepting networking hardware before it was delivered and installing the backdoor themselves, but the damage was done. Regardless, he's a histrionic tool and his whole "Well everyone needs to stop being delusional. It's just democrats being sore losers, there's no proof"  routine is loving retarded coming from him.
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Godholio posted:Without hyperbole, I believe that if the media becoming discredited because all of this is demonstrated to be nonsense, that's the moment when Octavian Caesar sits in the consul's chair and gives the finger to the Senate. The death of the republic. Preach it, Brother!
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Handsome Ralph posted:No, he hasn't. It's almost like he hasn't forgiven the media for the way they walked right into Iraq? Dude has different views than a lot of mainstream reporters, some of who have done A LOT more damage than he has
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Hot Karl Marx posted:It's almost like he hasn't forgiven the media for the way they walked right into Iraq? Dude has different views than a lot of mainstream reporters, some of who have done A LOT more damage than he has While I agree, it was lovely that so many outlets were basically walking hand in hand into Iraq with W., that doesn't excuse Greenwald's current crop of bullshit.
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It's not bullshit though, he just thinks it's more important for honest news than jumping to conclusions. He just doesn't say it in a... polite way. And yes he is an insufferable prick most of the time but that doesn't make him wrong.
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Greenwald is a oval office, end of story.
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I disagree (and I contend that I'm not going to convince you necessarily). I've never really liked Greenwald but up until recently, I could respect him in that he was consistent with his views. Now, not so much. Again, he's the first to scream fire at the mere possibility of smoke from U.S. intelligence or military activities, no matter how benign or common they are. Though when the shoes on someone else's foot and things like the Steele Dossier, Flynn resigning due to his phone calls, and Manafort, page, etc come out (and I contend don't necessarily prove anything but certainly do show there is something afoot), he suddenly finds journalistic composure and tells everyone else to cool it? Nah. Casimir Radon posted:Greenwald is an attention seeking oval office, end of story.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Preach it, Brother! In this thread?
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If I don't get a piss tape soon I may have to go to a porn store.
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https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/837630891585384448
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Kirkland vodka is really good poo poo, though.
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Yeah, for the price it's actually surprisingly good
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I mean, it doesn't come in a plastic jugg. The russian embassy serving military special would be though.
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