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Raskolnikov38 posted:fwiw the files stolen in the watergate breakin were minor and played no role in nixon's '72 win
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NPR and other liberal media news organizations are pushing this russian hysteria poo poo HEAVILY as a major factor in the democratic loss. it's pretty tame here in comparison.
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Thoguh posted:I thought the chair was a meaningless role. Why would anything change with him being named? You know what the chair is beneath? ~...the Butt ...~
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comedyblissoption posted:people are focusing on it as a major reason why the democrats lost instead of a tiny insignificant drop among many fundamental flaws with the democratic party causing them to lose heavily over the last 8 years by people you mean JeffersonClay because i haven't seen anyone else do that
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comedyblissoption posted:the things that russia is alleged to have done to sway the election is so loving small it boggles my mind that the media and democrats are able to run with it and then a bunch of forums posters hear about it and wave the banner in earnest itt Right because "Russia is intervening to help their puppet trump" wasn't a core element of Clinton's campaign strategy or anything. And the dumb subset of leftists mainlining Wikileaks didn't dismiss it as a bunch of redbaiting and evidence she wanted to start a nuclear war. No, this is all post-hoc excuse making.
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comedyblissoption posted:people are focusing on it as a major reason why the democrats lost instead of a tiny insignificant drop among many fundamental flaws with the democratic party causing them to lose heavily over the last 8 years except for all of the people, just now, on the last couple of pages, who said that it was flaws and russian interference and a myriad of other things so who are you smugging at? who, that you could possibly be arguing with ITT, is saying that russian hacking was the major reason instead of just one of a lot of loving reasons e: well, gently caress, jeffersonclay i guess
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Gringostar posted:by people you mean JeffersonClay stay out of d&d
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It's as jesus said, the broke-brained shall inherit the earth
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comedyblissoption posted:people are focusing on it as a major reason why the democrats lost instead of a tiny insignificant drop among many fundamental flaws with the democratic party causing them to lose heavily over the last 8 years
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Oh Snapple! posted:stay out of d&d i only go there for third edition games 
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it's JeffersonClay's fault basicallyJeffersonClay posted:If you're a leftist who thinks the Russian ratfucking didn't happen or didn't matter, and you want to have any sort of influence in the Democratic Party, take note. You probably don't have much more time to get on the right side of this issue. If you don't, the centrists are going to use it to lance you like a boil, and they will be right to do so.
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if trump and all of his appointees are mired in russian collaboration scandal for his entire presidency that gives leftists all the time they need to reorganize the democratic party without the looming threat of fascism ticking away in the background. people in this thread should be all for it tbh
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JeffersonClay posted:Right because "Russia is intervening to help their puppet trump" wasn't a core element of Clinton's campaign strategy or anything. And the dumb subset of leftists mainlining Wikileaks didn't dismiss it as a bunch of redbaiting and evidence she wanted to start a nuclear war. No, this is all post-hoc excuse making. Clinton lost because she's a dumbass piece of poo poo you retard, lol.
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FactsAreUseless posted:I couldn't care less if Russia literally went to polling places and wrote TRUMP over anywhere it said "Hillary Clinton," that doesn't mean I'm not concerned about person after person in the Trump campaign and administration being revealed to have Russian ties while the administration moves to lift sanctions and tighten our relationship with a far-right dictatorship. so far these are completely all allegations
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JeffersonClay posted:And the dumb subset of leftists mainlining Wikileaks didn't dismiss it as a bunch of redbaiting and evidence she wanted to start a nuclear war. question: why exactly do you care so much what some anonymous internet person apparently said somewhere at some point in time why is this a subject of current debate ITT
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FactsAreUseless posted:Progressive takeover is coming any minute now but frankly my jaw is starting to hurt. It's already happening in California.
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you know how trump will literally contort in any way possible to avoid saying a negative thing about putin or russia, to the point of even making GBS threads on the US itself if a particularly vile thing is brought up to him that's jeffersonclay, just replace "putin or russia" with "clinton or centrism"
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Venuz Patrol posted:if trump and all of his appointees are mired in russian collaboration scandal for his entire presidency that gives leftists all the time they need to reorganize the democratic party without the looming threat of fascism ticking away in the background. people in this thread should be all for it tbh not only that it serves as a useful distraction for establishment dems to focus on while leftists can take over the party virtually unopposed like... the russian poo poo is pretty much the best thing to happen for leftists given everything else
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Venuz Patrol posted:if trump and all of his appointees are mired in russian collaboration scandal for his entire presidency that gives leftists all the time they need to reorganize the democratic party without the looming threat of fascism ticking away in the background. people in this thread should be all for it tbh States are hosed, yo. Governors are doing a bunch of terrible poo poo right now that isn't even getting mentioned because everybody is focused on Trump.
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actually the russian poo poo will be used as an excuse to try to not move the party anywhere progressive and not analyze the real reasons the democrats having been getting loving wiped out the past 8 years all the liberal news media is analyzing the democratic loss in this way and not focusing on why they actually lost
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comedyblissoption posted:I would be supremely concerned if trump's campaign or administration made quid pro quo deals with russians to influence the election even if what the russians ended up doing didn't matter at all in the slightest
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comedyblissoption posted:actually the russian poo poo will be used as an excuse to try to not move the party anywhere progressive and not analyze the real reasons the democrats having been getting loving wiped out the past 8 years This is my concern as well.
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comedyblissoption posted:actually D&D
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Lastgirl posted:D&D ah yes
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FactsAreUseless posted:I don't know if it was an election influence deal or not, or even if Russia actually hacked anything. I'm just saying there's obviously a relationship between Trump's administration and Russia that goes beyond normal diplomacy. We keep finding new ties. It could be as simple as Russia just having outsized personal influence with members of the administration, but that still isn't okay. I don't really think anyone ITT would disagree with this in a straight up-or-down decision, the problem is that a lot of people have been using "RUSSIA" as a buzzword to mean "HILLARY DID NOTHING WRONG please stop criticizing Democrats" like I said before, it's bad that so many high Trump officials are doing the dirty with Russia, and it's good that we can use this to take them down, and we need a continued focus on quality-assurance of the Democratic Party to return to relevance. All of these things at once.
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Lastgirl posted:D&D hell i
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loquacius posted:I don't really think anyone ITT would disagree with this in a straight up-or-down decision, the problem is that a lot of people have been using "RUSSIA" as a buzzword to mean "HILLARY DID NOTHING WRONG please stop criticizing Democrats"
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loquacius posted:why is this a subject of current debate ITT It was in that vanity fair article you didn't like. Oh Snapple! posted:you know how trump will literally contort in any way possible to avoid saying a negative thing about putin or russia, to the point of even making GBS threads on the US itself if a particularly vile thing is brought up to him Clinton was a bad candidate who ran a bad campaign and she almost certainly would have won anyway if she hadn't gotten hosed by Comey and Putin.
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JeffersonClay posted:Clinton was a bad candidate who ran a bad campaign and she almost certainly would have won anyway if she hadn't gotten hosed by Comey and Putin.
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Thoguh posted:States are hosed, yo. Governors are doing a bunch of terrible poo poo right now that isn't even getting mentioned because everybody is focused on Trump. thats a fair point, but im inclined to believe the media would be focusing on trump anyway, so i'd rather they focused on trump flailing than on trump getting anything done election coverage will ramp up in 2018 but it probably won't cover the primaries in 2017/early 2018 as heavily, and those are what are going to be particularly important to the leftists. fortunately even if the journalists aren't interested, there's a lot of grass roots organizations building up candidates even as we speak
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No Russia No Goblins No Cummin
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Nonsense posted:No Russia No Goblins No Cummin
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comedyblissoption posted:actually the russian poo poo will be used as an excuse to try to not move the party anywhere progressive and not analyze the real reasons the democrats having been getting loving wiped out the past 8 years Yes, that's literally Trump's argument.
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JeffersonClay posted:It was in that vanity fair article you didn't like. *that bad vanity fair article I didn't like ok, well, I can't believe I have to type this out, but: you can find stupid people saying stupid things on the Internet in defense of literally any opinion, including, yes, all of yours and all of mine; you and Vanity Fair need to spend less time handwringing over it
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Gringostar posted:susan saranson sucks hth Your show sucks, Chris Hayes. https://youtu.be/jRiZRMLGjCY Raskolnikov38 posted:John goodman was a better president than Bartlett in the the like four days he was president He was president too? He was a good king. got any sevens has issued a correction as of 19:30 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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comedyblissoption posted:actually the russian poo poo will be used as an excuse to try to not move the party anywhere progressive and not analyze the real reasons the democrats having been getting loving wiped out the past 8 years elected democrats are going to continue with the same promises and positions they were elected with. if you want a more progressive party, movement comes from new members. if seeing a tv report about putin really causes you to forget to vote in the 2018 primaries, you're too dumb to get what you want anyway
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