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namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

https://twitter.com/kathytglobe/status/837862083337183232

gently caress bc

# ? Mar 4, 2017 04:49

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Xaranthius: Nov 27, 2002; Grimey Drawer

infernal machines posted:

Johnny Carson?

Ben Carson. bunnyofdoom was referencing this I believe:

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/01/op-ed-kellie-leitch-oh-no-im-ben-carson-arent/

# ? Mar 4, 2017 05:08

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

You see, Johnny Carson was charismatic, whereas Kellie Leitch is not.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 05:10

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau posted:

Hmmm

Nah I ain't doing poo poo

# ? Mar 4, 2017 05:44

Kafka Esq.: Jan 1, 2005; "If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

vyelkin posted:

This is more or less how I answered. I have a lot of experience with the Munk School and I thought it was pretty outrageous that they were placing themselves in that category.

Me too. When did you deal with them.

The Citizen's Lab is where well-meaning grad students go to die, now. Back when I was at U of T, it was touted as foreign policy career track stuff.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 06:24

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

infernal machines posted:

You see, Johnny Carson was charismatic, whereas Kellie Leitch is not.

Kelly Leitch is straight-up anti-charismatic. You don't even think a sort of neutral "she's a boring person..." sort of thought, as one might think about Hillary Clinton or John Kerry, so much as you think "oh my god that woman is incredibly repulsive and weird, is there something medically wrong with her? A person shouldn't behave that way..."

# ? Mar 4, 2017 07:24

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

BC Liberals announce $30 million in road improvements for Maple Ridge/Pitt Meadows. All driver safety improvements nothing for anyone else even though it's one of the most dangerous areas for pedestrians/cyclists. Families first.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 07:35

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; Can't post for 44 minutes!

Middle class families drive their families. Only poors and hipsters and socialists walk.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 07:46

patonthebach: Aug 22, 2016; by R. Guyovich

OSI bean dip posted:

Simmer down.

Also:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/judge-lenehan-sexual-assault-calls-for-removal-1.4008810

They should just close their legs.

That judge is a loving idiot for several reasons. The first being that case overwhelming looks like it was a pretty clear example of sexual assault by the cabbie. The other reason being how could the judge not realize saying some poo poo like "drunks can consent" in these SJW days wouldn't lead to backlash and his inevitable suspension or firing.

I do think the whole drunk (not passed out or incoherent) people can never consent thing as pretty ridiculous.Some drunks CAN consent, maybe even most drunks. Is my wife a rapist for any of the times she came onto me when I was drinking heavily that night and she abstained? Now, this stuff ever happening outside of a commitment relationship is asking for trouble and there is too much chance of abuse, but in a real relationship..... commone.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 08:01

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

Baronjutter posted:

Middle class families drive their families. Only poors and hipsters and socialists walk.

what about people working hard to join the middle class (they lease an X5 and fake it 'til they make it)

# ? Mar 4, 2017 08:01

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

patonthebach posted:

Now, this stuff ever happening outside of a commitment relationship is asking for trouble and there is too much chance of abuse, but in a real relationship..... commone.

For the sake of legal precedent, can you define a "real relationship"?

# ? Mar 4, 2017 08:06

sitchensis: Mar 4, 2009

THC posted:

BC Liberals announce $30 million in road improvements for Maple Ridge/Pitt Meadows. All driver safety improvements nothing for anyone else even though it's one of the most dangerous areas for pedestrians/cyclists. Families first.

One of the most interesting things I learned in urban planning is that narrower road crossings can actually make traffic move faster.

In the image below, although the road is wide with ample lane space for vehicles, the length of time drivers would have to stop at the intersection to wait for pedestrians to cross is considerably longer because of the distance that a pedestrian would have to travel to get from curb to curb:

In the following image, curb extensions, wide sidewalks and narrow lanes considerably narrow the available space for vehicles, but also allow pedestrians to remain in the intersection for less time than the above example. This allows for faster light cycles, which means less time sitting in traffic, more cars moving through the intersection, and safer pedestrians:

Doubt that any of that will be part of the road improvements though.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 14:22

mik: Oct 16, 2003; oh

What utopia do you live in where cars actually wait until pedestrians are fully across the road before ripping through the intersection?

# ? Mar 4, 2017 14:36

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

patonthebach posted:

That judge is a loving idiot for several reasons. The first being that case overwhelming looks like it was a pretty clear example of sexual assault by the cabbie. The other reason being how could the judge not realize saying some poo poo like "drunks can consent" in these SJW days wouldn't lead to backlash and his inevitable suspension or firing.

I do think the whole drunk (not passed out or incoherent) people can never consent thing as pretty ridiculous.Some drunks CAN consent, maybe even most drunks. Is my wife a rapist for any of the times she came onto me when I was drinking heavily that night and she abstained? Now, this stuff ever happening outside of a commitment relationship is asking for trouble and there is too much chance of abuse, but in a real relationship..... commone.

Now now this is no place for taking the middle ground and pointing out that while that judge was a loving moron because a passed out pissed her pants drunk is in no way capable of consent, sometimes people get intoxicated and have sex and even wake up the next morning to regret it without it being rape and that the assumption that in the case of two people becoming intoxicated and then having sex, it's the male who's by default a rapist is as loving stupid as the Duluth model.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 14:49

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Wow could they stuff another loving font in that poster I don't think there's enough to create the desired emphasis

# ? Mar 4, 2017 14:51

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

The Globe grows some balls

quote:

Trump, Trudeau in same boat as sea ice melts around them
BILL MCKIBBEN

The day after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sat down to his first meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump, satellite imagery confirmed that Antarctic sea ice had just hit a record low.

Most media didn�t carry the story. In fact, many were still debating the ins and outs of the Trump-Trudeau handshake, while some continued to lament Mr. Trudeau�s Disney Prince looks and charming smile. In the fray, almost no one managed to note that over the course of their entire meeting, neither Mr. Trudeau nor Mr. Trump mentioned the words climate change. In their joint statement wrapping up the meeting, the closest they came was an obscure reference to undefined collaboration �in the clean-energy sphere.�

It�s a notable omission, but unfortunately not a surprising one.

There are, of course, very real and important differences between Mr. Trudeau and Mr. Trump. But, while these differences are important, perhaps more poignant is where the two men are similar: pipelines.

All in, Mr. Trump and Mr. Trudeau have pushed four pipelines forward in as many months. Mr. Trudeau approved the the Kinder Morgan and Line 3 pipelines in Canada late last November, and Mr. Trump signed executive orders that overturned permit denials to both the Dakota Access and Keystone XL projects. Both men made these moves despite climate science that shows rejecting new fossil fuel infrastructure is the only way to keep our planet from dangerous warming.

And both men approved these pipelines despite overwhelming community opposition.

The Kinder Morgan pipeline alone is opposed by 21 municipalities in British Columbia and hundreds of thousands of individuals across Canada and the United States.

But, perhaps most telling, both men signed off on these pipelines over the expressed opposition of Indigenous peoples. Mr. Trump ignored the historic coming together of native American opposition to the Dakota Access pipeline. Mr. Trudeau ignored, and has since played down the 59 First Nations actively opposed to the Kinder Morgan project, some of whom are now taking his government to court.

The good news, and there is some good news, is that Mr. Trump and Mr. Trudeau have more in common than just their affinity for building pipelines. Both of them are in for one hell of a fight.

Indigenous communities have proven time and time again to be the most fervent defenders of the water and the land, and one of the best defences that we all have against the rampant expansion of the fossil fuel industry. It�s why, when 350.org first got involved in the Keystone XL fight so many years ago, my first call was to Indigenous activists organizing to stop unchecked tar-sands expansion in Canada. The bravery of native people camped along the Missouri River is why president Barack Obama ended up halting the Dakota Access pipeline at the end of his term. It�s why last year, Canada�s Supreme Court overturned former prime minister Stephen Harper�s approval of the Northern Gateway pipeline project, a project that Mr. Trudeau had enough foresight to reject.

But we can�t expect Indigenous communities to do this alone. The court case that overturned the Northern Gateway approval was only possible, in part, because of hundreds of thousands of dollars that communities across Canada raised to support Indigenous pipeline opposition. And Mr. Trudeau�s rejection of that project, much like Mr. Obama�s rejections of Keystone and Dakota Access, happened because they both knew that people would stand together to defend the water, land and the climate if they tried otherwise.

In the weeks, months and years ahead, we are going to have our work cut out for us. There is no silver bullet to stopping Mr. Trump�s or Mr. Trudeau�s pipelines. No one lawsuit, no single action will be enough. But, if we come together to stand with one another, and to stand behind those communities on the front lines of this fight, we have a shot. In times like this, out best hope is standing, and pulling, together.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/trump-trudeau-in-same-boat-as-sea-ice-melts-around-them/article34182281/

# ? Mar 4, 2017 15:24

Jimbozig: Sep 30, 2003; I like sharing and ice cream and animals.

While "passed out and pissed her pants" is obviously beyond any reasonable line for the ability to consent, the case does illustrate the challenges in getting a conviction for that kind of assault.

There needs to be a line beyond which a person goes from "drunk but consenting" to "too drunk to consent" - but that line needs to be perfectly clear not only to the judge but also to the perpetrator. If the perpetrator couldn't reasonably have been able to tell whether the victim was over the line, then it becomes impossible to prove mens rea. That is, to prove that they are guilty, you would have to prove that they knew she was too drunk as opposed to just drunk. If they were drunk themselves, that complicates things even more (though in this case, the cabbie was totally sober). In this case, the crown was unable to prove that any sexual contact happened while she was passed out, which the judge took to mean that it was possible that she was consenting but that the perpetrator stopped when she passed out, even though the circumstantial evidence makes it pretty clear that he only stopped and tried to cover it up when the police rolled up.

Based on the judge's statements, he seemed to think that it was very likely assault but that the prosecution had failed to argue their case correctly and prove the things they needed to prove. That is an unfortunate reality - sometimes LEOs gently caress up, sometimes prosecutors gently caress up, and when they do, guilty people get off.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 15:41

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

THC posted:

Wanting to ditch reputation as NATO’s cheap date, Liberals looking at ballistic missile defence: sources

REAL CHANGE

What could be more progressive than ballistic missile defence? MIDDLE CLASS MIDDLE CLASS

# ? Mar 4, 2017 15:49

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Jimbozig posted:

Based on the judge's statements, he seemed to think that it was very likely assault but that the prosecution had failed to argue their case correctly and prove the things they needed to prove. That is an unfortunate reality - sometimes LEOs gently caress up, sometimes prosecutors gently caress up, and when they do, guilty people get off.

That was my first impression too. Bring back the Scottish verdict.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 16:39

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

quote:

Liberal support slides to lowest levels since 2015 election

The Liberals have lost most of the gains they made after forming government in latest quarterly poll report
By �ric Grenier, CBC News Posted: Mar 03, 2017 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Mar 03, 2017 11:16 AM ET

Support for Justin Trudeau's Liberals has sharply declined over the last three months, dropping to its lowest levels since the last federal election.

The party has taken a hit in the polls in every region of the country, boosting both the Conservatives and New Democrats as a result. But despite the governing party's worsening fortunes, the Liberals still have as much support today as they did when they secured a majority government in October 2015.

The Liberals have averaged 40.5 per cent support in national polls conducted over the last three months, a drop of 6.8 points compared to the previous quarter. Though that is still above their electoral result of 39.5 per cent, it is a significant shift from the party's steady polling at 46 to 47 per cent throughout 2016.

This is, by a wide margin, the greatest shift recorded in national voting intentions since Liberal support surged in the immediate aftermath of the 2015 election. This shift has all but erased those "honeymoon" gains.

The negative trend coincided with a number of issues that may have sapped Liberal strength, including the government's pipeline decisions, its broken electoral reform promise, the prime minister's cash-for-access controversies and his stay on the Aga Khan's private island in the Bahamas.

(Note that past quarterly averages have been revised due to the inclusion of polling data from Nanos Research that had not been available at the time.)

The Conservatives have picked up 3.5 points in the past quarter, boosting the party to 31.8 per cent � nearly identical to the Tories' electoral performance. This is another important shift, as the Conservatives had previously been stagnating under 30 per cent after losing power.

The New Democrats were also up, gaining 2.3 points to hit 15.6 per cent support. That is still down almost four points from their election showing in 2015, support the party has been unable to claw back from the Liberals.

In fact, the NDP's weakness would give the Liberals the potential to win more seats than they did in 2015 if an election were held today, due to gains in Quebec that would make up for losses in Ontario. The Liberals would likely win around 200 seats if an election had been held over the last three months, with about 110 seats going to the Conservatives and just 20 to the NDP.

Green support, at 5.4 per cent, was largely unchanged from the previous quarter.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 17:34

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Break promises, continue libbing, win more seats. Great system you got there.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 17:58

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

I for one am shocked that the Liberals didn't follow their promise to abolish First Past the Post.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 18:15

Argas: Jan 13, 2008; SRW Fanatic

The Liberals should just abolish the Liberals already.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 18:20

The Butcher: Apr 20, 2005; Well, at least we tried.; Nap Ghost

Helsing posted:

I for one am shocked that the Liberals didn't follow their promise to abolish First Past the Post.

Honestly this one got me. I know cynicism is the rule of the day and all, but it was such a major campaign plank and hearing over and over again "this will be the last election under FPTP", it really was hard to believe they would just walk away from it.

All the little poo poo in a campaign platform you expect to get nerfed or ignored, but you generally expect the party to at least go through with their flagship poo poo.

Be real interesting to see if it ends up biting them in the rear end or not. Next election is still a long way off, lotta time for starry eyed Lib voters to forgive and forget. (Mostly forget.)

# ? Mar 4, 2017 18:32

Argas: Jan 13, 2008; SRW Fanatic

The Butcher posted:

Honestly this one got me. I know cynicism is the rule of the day and all, but it was such a major campaign plank and hearing over and over again "this will be the last election under FPTP", it really was hard to believe they would just walk away from it.

All the little poo poo in a campaign platform you expect to get nerfed or ignored, but you generally expect the party to at least go through with their flagship poo poo.

Their flagshit.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 18:32

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

The Butcher posted:

Honestly this one got me. I know cynicism is the rule of the day and all, but it was such a major campaign plank and hearing over and over again "this will be the last election under FPTP", it really was hard to believe they would just walk away from it.

All the little poo poo in a campaign platform you expect to get nerfed or ignored, but you generally expect the party to at least go through with their flagship poo poo.

Be real interesting to see if it ends up biting them in the rear end or not. Next election is still a long way off, lotta time for starry eyed Lib voters to forgive and forget. (Mostly forget.)

Looking back on the election in retrospect the Liberal's majority seems completely unsurprising. They are the 'natural governing party' and they were facing a divisive and widely loathed 9 year incumbent. But at the time the Liberals developed their platform they were more concerned about finishing third than they were about winning and basically no one was anticipating a majority government for any party.

People are too quick to forget that after Trudeau clinched his party's nomination and surged in the polls he stumbled through a series of gently caress ups that knocked him back down to third place. The Liberals didn't think they were outlining a majority mandate when they made all those huge promises that they've subsequently broken or moved very slowly on.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 18:52

M.McFly: Oct 23, 2008

Helsing posted:

I for one am shocked that the Liberals didn't follow their promise to abolish First Past the Post.

I actually was legitimately surprised/disappointed that they failed to follow through. I must be naive.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 18:59

The Butcher: Apr 20, 2005; Well, at least we tried.; Nap Ghost

Helsing posted:

People are too quick to forget that after Trudeau clinched his party's nomination and surged in the polls he stumbled through a series of gently caress ups that knocked him back down to third place. The Liberals didn't think they were outlining a majority mandate when they made all those huge promises that they've subsequently broken or moved very slowly on.

That actually makes a ton of sense. Good analysis as always dude.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 19:02

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Remember when you dumb fucks were defending the nomination of a loving school teacher as party leader

# ? Mar 4, 2017 19:14

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

namaste faggots posted:

Remember when you dumb fucks were defending the nomination of a loving school teacher as party leader

No?

# ? Mar 4, 2017 19:16

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

namaste faggots posted:

Remember when you dumb fucks were defending the nomination of a loving school teacher as party leader

I know right at least get a law degree from lakehead

# ? Mar 4, 2017 19:21

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

It says a lot about CI's worship of credentialism that he apparently thinks a Liberal leader with an MBA or Law background would be any different from Trudeau.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 19:25

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

Helsing posted:

It says a lot about CI's worship of credentialism that he apparently thinks a Liberal leader with an MBA or Law background would be any different from Trudeau.

The guy admits that he is only sending his kid(s?) to a top American university for the credentials and not for an actual education so this isnt exactly shocking or revealing.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 19:31

mik: Oct 16, 2003; oh

Say what you will about the Liberals, but who looks at the dumpster fire of a party that is the Conservatives and think yes, I support them.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 19:33

Farecoal: Oct 15, 2011; There he go

Is Canada...bad??

# ? Mar 4, 2017 19:34

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

mik posted:

Say what you will about the Liberals, but who looks at the dumpster fire of a party that is the Conservatives and think yes, I support them.

Real Canadians™

# ? Mar 4, 2017 19:34

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

infernal machines posted:

Old Stock Canadians™

# ? Mar 4, 2017 19:36

patonthebach: Aug 22, 2016; by R. Guyovich

M.McFly posted:

I actually was legitimately surprised/disappointed that they failed to follow through. I must be naive.

It seemed like there was a lot of focus on here about the issue, but no one I knew IRL gave a poo poo about electoral reform. I had 100% faith that the Libs wouldn't make a chance to the system, because why would they? They stand to benefit from keeping the system as is, since they are part of the 2 major parties that have had tons of success over the past 50 years getting majorities with a minority of votes. Did you guys really think the ruling party would give up power?

# ? Mar 4, 2017 19:40

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Brian Pallister is going to start selling off parts of Manitoba Healthcare, woooooo all so we can take the PST down from 8% to 7%

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/wrha-savings-privatization-option-1.4009693

quote:

The Winnipeg Regional Health Authority's CEO says everything is on the table, including privatizing services, as the health region works to fulfil a mandate by the Manitoba government to find $83 million in savings in the coming year.

Milton Sussman warned that while the WRHA will maintain a high quality of care, he cannot guarantee that jobs won't be lost and Winnipeggers won't feel the impact of such a lofty goal.

"I think it's safe to say there will be changes. There has to be to achieve that kind of savings," Sussman told CBC News Friday.

The CBC first reported Wednesday that all five of Manitoba's health regions have been told by the province to balance their books and find savings for 2017-18.

Each region was given a savings target by the government that it must achieve as part of that mandate. For the WRHA, it's $83 million.

"It is a large number. I don't want to convey that there may not be staff impacts, but we haven't assessed what those might be," Sussman said.

In 2016-17, its $2.6 billion budget is projected to wind up $30 million in the red.

The privatization of services, including MRI scans and cataract surgeries, isn't off the table, but Sussman said the health authority is still analysing its options and wading through savings proposals from various programs before any decisions are made.

"I don't want to speculate that it is something that is going to happen. What I am saying is we are looking at a whole range of options and if someone can provide a high quality at a lower cost, we have to consider those kinds of things," he said.

"Where is makes sense, it might be something we look at."

Executive and management positions will be the first positions the WRHA looks at before it delves into cutting any other positions, he said.

"If we were going to do anything, that is where we would start."

Advice from KPMG

Sussman has seen the much-anticipated interim review from KPMG, the consultant group charged by the Progressive Conservative government to find savings and efficiencies in the province's health care system.

He couldn't go into details about what the report entails, but said it identified "significant savings" that could be found in the system � mostly in staffing.

That includes staffing levels, overtime and the the overuse of "constant care" � a form of supervision that requires a staff member to provide one-on-one care.

"Those are things we are looking at. We are looking at a variety of options, nothing has been finalized," he said.

The review will be used to make decisions for the upcoming April 11 budget and won't be released until after that date, Premier Brian Pallister told media Thursday.

Sussman said he wasn't surprised by the findings in the interim review. The first part focused on identifying the potential for savings and the second stage � which he hasn't seen � is about putting together a formal plan to tackle those savings, he said.

Health Minister Kelvin Goertzen admitted it will be a challenge for the WRHA to find the savings, but said the search for savings in health care is happening across the country.

"We know that the system was unsustainable in the way that it was growing, so we had discussions with each regional health authority," Goertzen said Thursday after question period.

"They are going through that process now to look at places where there might be the ability to reduce management, which is certainly one of the places that has to get looked at � they'll look for duplication of programs and I am sure they will look at places where we are doing things that might not be done in other provinces."

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Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Furnaceface posted:

The guy admits that he is only sending his kid(s?) to a top American university for the credentials and not for an actual education so this isnt exactly shocking or revealing.

Growing up with CI as a dad is gonna turn that kid into a pot head burnout or school shooter way before that happens.

# ? Mar 4, 2017 20:17

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