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nopants posted:It's pretty obvious that the Martian captain was shot in the back by an assassin. However, upon closer inspection, it appears the assassin was shot as well. Who assassinated the assassin? Proto-assassin.
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counterfeitsaint posted:The Nauvoo flyby doesn't really count, because that's an example of space being bent and moved in a way that we don't understand or can describe with our current understanding of physics, of course it's gonna look a little strange. The Nauvoo was supposed to have racked up like more than 20000 kilometers per second and supposed to hit Eros perpendicular to its orbit. Did that fly-by look anything like >20000kps? That's what I mean. The Nauvoo was slow for visual effect. Planets might be big for visual effect.
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The whole Holden telling the crew he's banging Naomi scene was the funniest thing on TV i've seen months.
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etalian posted:The whole Holden telling the crew he's banging Naomi scene was the funniest thing on TV i've seen months. His exchange with Amos after the reveal is definitely one of my favorite Amos moments, save for all the others.
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MizPiz posted:His exchange with Amos after the reveal is definitely one of my favorite Amos moments, save for all the others. Also his face when Alex and Amos gave him a unexpected reaction.
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Combat Pretzel posted:What? I know that the show-runner has already said that they were using artistic license for dramatic effect, But wouldn't special relativistic time dilation come into play here? Especially considering that the speed Eros moved as The Navoo passed is considered to be mindbogglingly impossible under their understanding of physics?
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It accelerated like a motherfucker, especially considering that it's ~7 teratons, but it was never moving at relativistic speeds. The Rocinante was able to catch up with it and stay close for a long time.
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Svaha posted:E:This may be a stupid question, as my understanding of physics is super rusty. Just humor me for a sec. The impossibleness was due to such a huge mass accelerating so quickly without any apparent means of propulsion, not the speed at which it moved. Afterall, the Roci was able to keep up with it, so it's doubtful they were moving at any appreciable fraction of the speed of light.
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Acceleration doesn't have anything to do directly with the speed of light. If the Eros accelerates at 5g and the Roci can, too, it'll keep pace. If they keep accelerating at 5g for weeks, both will reach an appreciable fraction of the speed of light. Also, time dilation doesn't happen in your own frame of reference. All Eros saw is a rock coming in sideways at some 20000km/s. Actually, given it has an orbital velocity of similar speeds, given the right angle impact poo poo, some semblance of Pythagoras applies, actual impact speed would have been way more. Either way, the point was, Miller shouldn't even have seen it coming and passing. I think in the book, the Roci crew was expecting an impact to happen out of the blue (--edit: kind of like shooting at a melon, you don't see the bullet strolling), and suddenly noticed Eros made a jump to the right and everyone had their jaw on the floor. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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I recall the nauvoo missing being something that happened very suddenly from all frames of reference. Like blink and youll miss it fast which makes perfect sense at the velocities involved.
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Y'all need to get your units straight. 20,000 km/s is 6.7% of the speed of light. The Nauvoo wasn't going that fast. 20,000 m/s, or 20 km/s, is a lot more reasonable (but still insanely fast).
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20km/s takes like 34 minutes at 1g. Also I just checked the episode. Their HUD said ~18900km/s before they cut away.
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Svaha posted:E:This may be a stupid question, as my understanding of physics is super rusty. Just humor me for a sec. No, the Nauvoo was going real quick but not even remotely close to the speeds you need that noticeable relativistic issues are playing in. I mean if you were coordinating computers or something it would but it's not going to look weird. It'd be going so fast your eye might not even see the thing, or at least it'd be long gone before your brain registered that you saw it.
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You're right that visually it shouldn't have appeared to pass way faster, but what I'm saying is that during the scene, your point of reference is Miller standing on Eros. Your point of reference is not following the laws of physics, moving without accelerating, so who knows what it would actually look like from there.
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Speaking of Mars, they had to adjust one of the 6 satellites in orbit because it was projected to be within about 7 seconds of hitting Phobos in its orbital path.
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Mars should take reparations by replacing Deimos with an object similar in size. I propose 26858 Misterrogers.
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Toast Museum posted:That's an interesting question. I have no idea how badly it'd tear up the hull, but I think the radiation would cook the crew and most of the electronics. You might be (relatively) okay if you happened to be on the other side of a large water tank when the thing went off, but otherwise you're probably hosed, even if the ship is salvageable. It's worse than that. I don't think most "nerds" actually do the math. They just know that there will be no shockwave and falsely extrapolate that most of the damage is mitigated. They also appear to discount hard radiation, about as close to "pure" energy as you can get, as anything as dangerous as a simple high explosive reaction. Which is backwards. You get hit with enough hard radiation and matter simply ablates. I swear they think it's like microwaves or something. Just makes things get hot and doesn't do damage you can "see". Again they need to actually do the math and work out the fluence, area covered and work out just how much energy is bombarding the ship. The idea that they have to get inside the ship is absurd. They will have to get close because the falloff is severe. But anywhere within 500 meters? Ship is hosed. The closer the better but no need to penetrate the hull before detonation. No type of armor is going to take the levels of fluence without very quickly turning into mist. What would work is a layer of ablative material designed specifically to defend against nukes. Because the damage is being done by waves of high energy photons the ablative action will totally mitigate damage. As long as the material exists. Obviously, once it's gone it's gone and i'm assuming in a SPACE WAR!!!!!! missiles will be used in barrages. Personally I think the ship is still hosed.
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 These men are closer to a nuclear detonation than I would ever like to be, in atmosphere or not.
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's worse than that. I don't think most "nerds" actually do the math. They just know that there will be no shockwave and falsely extrapolate that most of the damage is mitigated. They also appear to discount hard radiation, about as close to "pure" energy as you can get, as anything as dangerous as a simple high explosive reaction. Which is backwards. You get hit with enough hard radiation and matter simply ablates. I swear they think it's like microwaves or something. Just makes things get hot and doesn't do damage you can "see". Again they need to actually do the math and work out the fluence, area covered and work out just how much energy is bombarding the ship. The idea that they have to get inside the ship is absurd. They will have to get close because the falloff is severe. But anywhere within 500 meters? Ship is hosed. The closer the better but no need to penetrate the hull before detonation. No type of armor is going to take the levels of fluence without very quickly turning into mist. What would work is a layer of ablative material designed specifically to defend against nukes. Because the damage is being done by waves of high energy photons the ablative action will totally mitigate damage. As long as the material exists. Obviously, once it's gone it's gone and i'm assuming in a SPACE WAR!!!!!! missiles will be used in barrages. Personally I think the ship is still hosed. For what it's worth, I also think the ship would be hosed. I just don't have a good sense of how hosed compared to the same radiation plus a shockwave. What it brought to mind for me was Project Orion, except instead of hitting a pusher plate, the blast is pushing out against the hull in every direction. I imagine the ship's still going to end up in several pieces. Maybe not quite as many pieces as it would have with pressurized compartments?
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's worse than that. I don't think most "nerds" actually do the math. They just know that there will be no shockwave and falsely extrapolate that most of the damage is mitigated. They also appear to discount hard radiation, about as close to "pure" energy as you can get, as anything as dangerous as a simple high explosive reaction. Which is backwards. You get hit with enough hard radiation and matter simply ablates. I swear they think it's like microwaves or something. Just makes things get hot and doesn't do damage you can "see". Again they need to actually do the math and work out the fluence, area covered and work out just how much energy is bombarding the ship. The idea that they have to get inside the ship is absurd. They will have to get close because the falloff is severe. But anywhere within 500 meters? I think you need to be a lot closer than that. I'm not going to actually do the math and work out the fluence, but in the testing during Project Orion they mounted graphite-covered steel spheres 30 *feet* from a nuclear explosion and they were intact, with only a thin layer of the graphite ablated. In my above post, I'm considering "near miss" to be virtually within direct contact. Agreed you definitely don't need to get the warhead inside the target ship.
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This show has morphed into one of my must-sees each week, and that's a short list because it's so easy to just stream things and binge poo poo whenever nowadays. I adored Mass Effect's in-game universe for nerdy reasons like the adherence to physics and such, and this show scratches that itch quite well. Kudos on that clip from the 2nd game someone posted. As someone who's never read the books and is going into this show mostly spoiler-free, right now I'm under the impression that the protomolecule isn't gone for good, and Venus probably isn't the last we've seen of all that. The strange creature that hosed everyone up at the end of the most recent episode definitely had a similar aesthetic to it's look. Perhaps the show is going to incorporate that stuff into the storyline more than the books did and make the protomolecule more of a constant influence on the story. But I'm just guessing.
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The vastness of space and expansion of humanity throughout it?
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Number Ten Cocks posted:What do most people think the title of the series refers to? Space?
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Number Ten Cocks posted:What do most people think the title of the series refers to? Goatse.
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Bert Roberge posted:Goatse. So it also works as a pun on Ex-pants? Cool.
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Bert Roberge posted:Goatse.
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ATP_Power posted:But where's the ring?
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AwkwardKnob posted:This show has morphed into one of my must-sees each week, and that's a short list because it's so easy to just stream things and binge poo poo whenever nowadays. Just wait, if you like Mass effect, you're going to love the upcoming plot lines! Sort of book spoilers, so you know, avoid it if you're avoiding those.
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Phanatic posted:I think you need to be a lot closer than that. I'm not going to actually do the math and work out the fluence, but in the testing during Project Orion they mounted graphite-covered steel spheres 30 *feet* from a nuclear explosion and they were intact, with only a thin layer of the graphite ablated. In my above post, I'm considering "near miss" to be virtually within direct contact. Agreed you definitely don't need to get the warhead inside the target ship. Wouldn't it depends entirely on the yield of the nuke anyway? It's impossible to say for certain without hard numbers. Anyway, so Jules Mao is missing and suddenly a protomolecule monster appears on Ganymede? Jules Mao is the protomonster, calling it now.
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ATP_Power posted:But where's the ring? Around Saturn. The protomolecule was found on Phoebe, a moon of Saturn.
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ATP_Power posted:But where's the ring? Uranus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Uranus Book spoilers: The Ring is literally at Uranus.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:What do most people think the title of the series refers to? 
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Yeah, I used to think that, too.
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Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space. Listen...
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Okay, just saw the new episode. No more Miller is, as expected, quite a loss. However, the increase in Amos and Alex has been great.
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The is realistic since future Baltimore also still sucks
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ATP_Power posted:But where's the ring? Nice.
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