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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn	95	18.63%
Dennis Skinner	53	10.39%
Angus Robertson	20	3.92%
Tim Farron	9	1.76%
Paul Ukips	7	1.37%
Robot Lenin	105	20.59%
Tony Blair	28	5.49%
Pissflaps	193	37.84%
Total:	510 votes

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mehall: Aug 27, 2010

Namtab posted:

It's been a while but the general principle on a tax return is to record the information in the section you feel is most appropriate. Putting things in that section won't lower your tax burden so it just shows that corbyn/his accountant feels that the leadership money is an additional workplace benefit.

E:as opposed to primary source of income. The important thing to note is that this is all above board.

I can understand it, it's a stipend for the post, rather than necessarily payment for the services provided, as he is already paid for his services by virtue of being an MP..

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# ? May 15, 2024 07:31

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

mehall posted:

I can understand it, it's a stipend for the post, rather than necessarily payment for the services provided, as he is already paid for his services by virtue of being an MP..

He's put it under the heading 'other pensions and retirement annuities'. There's nothing to understand. It's a mistake.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:05

Praseodymi: Aug 26, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

It's a mistake.

Should probably shut your mouth about it then.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:10

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Praseodymi posted:

Should probably shut your mouth about it then.

Jeremy has made his erroneous tax return available for public scrutiny. Your request is denied.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:13

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Pissflaps posted:

He's put it under the heading 'other pensions and retirement annuities'. There's nothing to understand. It's a mistake.

Will you do my tax return for me? You must be an expert, probably an accountant.

Wait, you're not? Huh. Shocked.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:15

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Pissflaps posted:

Jeremy has made his erroneous tax return available for public scrutiny. Your request is denied.

you're not an accountant and are objectively, legally, wrong on this

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:17

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

forkboy84 posted:

Will you do my tax return for me? You must be an expert, probably an accountant.

Wait, you're not? Huh. Shocked.

I know what words mean.

My only advice on accountancy would be: don't hire Jeremy's.

Spangly A posted:

you're not an accountant and are objectively, legally, wrong on this

Can you expand upon this point?

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:17

Praseodymi: Aug 26, 2010

Surprised to see Pissflaps come out as a brexiteer after all this time, what with his support for people commenting on poo poo they know nothing about and all.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:18

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

No you don't, though. You absolutely have no idea what these words mean in a legal, acturial, or accounting context. You are a layman. You are not expected to understand what these words mean. Which is great, because you don't.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:18

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Praseodymi posted:

Surprised to see Pissflaps come out as a brexiteer after all this time, what with his support for people commenting on poo poo they know nothing about and all.

I don't support Brexit this is a straw man argument.

Spangly A posted:

No you don't, though. You absolutely have no idea what these words mean in a legal, acturial, or accounting context. You are a layman. You are not expected to understand what these words mean. Which is great, because you don't.

Are you able to explain specifically how I am wrong? Are you an accountant?

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:19

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Pissflaps posted:

Are you able to explain specifically how I am wrong? Are you an accountant?

Perhaps, although it's common for an unedecuated layperson like yourself to have difficulties here. What is your specific complaint? I trained in acturial alongside econ, I live with a city and guilds fellow of accounting. There's a lot of letters around the name I won't bother you with.

Jeremy's accountant has filed his paperwork stating that his incremental Opposition Leadership increase is a benefit of his role in the party, supplementary to his primary source of income as MP. It is declared and taxed as is proper.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:24

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Should declare that I am also, obviously, a layman; I do not pay my dues as an accountant as I was uninterested in it as a career choice. As such I would need to retrain for another few months should I wish to take up an acturial or accounting position. Because things like legal definition of jargon are updated semi-frequently, and tax law is updated annually.

Do still have my books about though.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:27

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Spangly A posted:

Perhaps, although it's common for an unedecuated layperson like yourself to have difficulties here. What is your specific complaint? I trained in acturial alongside econ, I live with a city and guilds fellow of accounting. There's a lot of letters around the name I won't bother you with.

Jeremy's accountant has filed his paperwork stating that his incremental Opposition Leadership increase is a benefit of his role in the party, supplementary to his primary source of income as MP. It is declared and taxed as is proper.

Your credentials are impressive.

My complaint is that Jeremy has put the money he gets for being leader of the opposition under the heading 'other pensions and retirement annuities' and on the line 'uk pensions and state benefits' rather than 'pay from all employments'.

Spangly A posted:

Should declare that I am also, obviously, a layman; I do not pay my dues as an accountant as I was uninterested in it as a career choice.

Thanks for clearing that up.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:30

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Pissflaps posted:

My complaint is that Jeremy has put the money he gets for being leader of the opposition under the heading 'other pensions and retirement annuities' and on the line 'uk pensions and state benefits' rather than 'pay from all employments'.

Ok, can you explain how this is not proper please, other than "jeremy bad"

More generally what the gently caress is he doing releasing tax forms he hasn't had cleaned for public viewing but I'm struggling to see how you'd get anywhere arguing this is mis-reporting your taxes.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:33

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Spangly A posted:

Ok, can you explain how this is not proper please, other than "jeremy bad"

You told me that I can't explain why because I'm a layman and don't have authority to speak on such matters, unlike somebody who lives with an accountant.

Though if you insist, to my layman's eyes, it seems nonsensical to describe a salary (or even a striped) as a pension or state benefit, rather than income from employment. Because it'a his job. And he gets paid to do t.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:36

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Pissflaps posted:

You told me that I can't explain why because I'm a layman and don't have authority to speak on such matters, unlike somebody who lives with an accountant.

Though if you insist, to my layman's eyes, it seems nonsensical to describe a salary (or even a striped) as a pension or state benefit, rather than income from employment. Because it'a his job. And he gets paid to do t.

Zing. Did he pay the same taxes?

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:55

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Spangly A posted:

Zing. Did he pay the same taxes?

I don't know I'm not an accountant.

Though if you're asking if I think this error signals some attempt to defraud HMRC then the answer is clearly no.

It's simply a mistake.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:58

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Pissflaps posted:

I don't know I'm not an accountant.

Though if you're asking if I think this error signals some attempt to defraud HMRC then the answer is clearly no.

It's simply a mistake.

good honest man jeremy corbyn puts no thought to taxes, simply gives

a bad man

# ? Mar 6, 2017 10:59

baka kaba: Jul 19, 2003; PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

jabby posted:

Presumably the first media person to look at his return was too dumb to realise he didn't get the full benefit in the tax year shown

More like they saw an opportunity to manufacture a controversy and set themselves up with a nice juicy story for the day. So engaging it's sparking off a bunch of armchair accountancy

# ? Mar 6, 2017 11:13

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

baka kaba posted:

More like they saw an opportunity to manufacture a controversy and set themselves up with a nice juicy story for the day. So engaging it's sparking off a bunch of armchair accountancy

The leader of the opposition misreporting his income on a tax return he's published to demonstrate transparency is a bit controversial tbf.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 11:15

baka kaba: Jul 19, 2003; PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Pissflaps posted:

The leader of the opposition misreporting his income on a tax return he's published to demonstrate transparency is a bit controversial tbf.

Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about. "I'm not an accountant... but I reckon this actual accountant definitely did these accounts wrong!!"

# ? Mar 6, 2017 11:19

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Pissflaps posted:

The leader of the opposition misreporting his income on a tax return he's published to demonstrate transparency is a bit controversial tbf.

I'd post a tory leaders to compare but I don't think the panama papers fits on this hard drive

what standard are we realistically expecting here

# ? Mar 6, 2017 11:21

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

baka kaba posted:

Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about. "I'm not an accountant... but I reckon this actual accountant definitely did these accounts wrong!!"

Insisting that it must be correct because 'an actual accountant did it' seems no more credible.

Unless you're an accountant yourself and can explain it?

# ? Mar 6, 2017 11:21

Don't Lol me: Sep 6, 2004

Pissflaps' dream story. He can ridicule Corbyn over pointless minutiae while deflecting from the spirit of what is trying to be done here.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 11:30

baka kaba: Jul 19, 2003; PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Pissflaps posted:

Insisting that it must be correct because 'an actual accountant did it' seems no more credible.

Unless you're an accountant yourself and can explain it?

Yeah for sure, a professional is no more credible than some random saying "I don't understand so it must be wrong!"

Either a qualified accountant failed to do their job properly, making an error that's apparently obvious even to a layman, and then it also slipped by everyone else involved in publishing it... or people who don't know what they're talking about are chatting poo poo. Hmm both possibilities are equally likely I think!! You couldn't make it up!

# ? Mar 6, 2017 11:34

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

baka kaba posted:

Yeah for sure, a professional is no more credible than some random saying "I don't understand so it must be wrong!"

Either a qualified accountant failed to do their job properly, making an error that's apparently obvious even to a layman, and then it also slipped by everyone else involved in publishing it... or people who don't know what they're talking about are chatting poo poo. Hmm both possibilities are equally likely I think!! You couldn't make it up!

I've yet to see a credible explanation for why the leader of the opposition's wage can be described as a 'pension or state benefit'.

Given that government accounts describe it as

a salary, and considering his track record of incompetence, I'm entirely confident that the qualified accountant Jeremy engaged managed to make this mistake, and his team failed to notice it. Because they're idiots.

Maybe instead of the qualified accountant he got the guy that lives with him instead.

Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Mar 6, 2017

# ? Mar 6, 2017 11:40

Private Eye: Jul 12, 2010; Don't be so bloody gay, Cambo

Private Eye fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Mar 6, 2017

# ? Mar 6, 2017 12:48

Fangz: Jul 5, 2007; Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

God, who cares.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 12:53

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

A series of a dozen tweets is quite possible the least readable way of publishing that

# ? Mar 6, 2017 12:55

Private Eye: Jul 12, 2010; Don't be so bloody gay, Cambo

Fangz posted:

God, who cares.

Considering he's the leader of the opposition, then probably quite a few people. On an issue that you yourself politicise, you have to be goddamn sure you're beyond reproach. If there is an issue now, this political gesture backfires and solidifies the feeling that some people have that he/his team is incompetent.

Cerv posted:

A series of a dozen tweets is quite possible the least readable way of publishing that

It's a brave new social-media world.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 12:59

Fangz: Jul 5, 2007; Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

I'm not in any way a Corbyn fan but this is a triviality.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 13:01

HJB: Feb 16, 2011; I can't get enough of are Dan

Nobody talking about Peugeot buying Vauxhall, and the potential opportunities that arise as a result?

# ? Mar 6, 2017 13:03

Lt. Danger: Dec 22, 2006; jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

Well, Corbyn exists, so

# ? Mar 6, 2017 13:07

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/838330022444294144

Majority in 2015: 24,000

# ? Mar 6, 2017 13:08

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

TinTower posted:

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/838330022444294144

Majority in 2015: 24,000

Haha loving knew it.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 13:12

El Grillo: Jan 3, 2008; Fun Shoe

Chuka Umunna has just published what looks to me like a new leadership manifesto: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/03/chuka-umunna-labour-alternative

Haven't read all of it yet. And I don't particularly trust Umunna. But (depressingly) this seems like a more comprehensive vision than anything the leadership has come up with since Jeremy was first elected. Along with the (pretty much unnecessary at this point) analysis of labour's current poo poo creak situation, it has: a decent (if too soft) look at where New Labour went wrong, and it puts forward a genuine vision of how the party can move forward, drawing on all sorts of sources and ideas. There are just enough specifics to make it worth skimming through the waffle.
The bits that stand out as awkward are the national/parochialism/immigration bits and the family values bit (the latter seems very much out of New Labour's playbook).

# ? Mar 6, 2017 13:20

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

El Grillo posted:

Chuka Umunna has just published what looks to me like a new leadership manifesto: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/03/chuka-umunna-labour-alternative

Haven't read all of it yet. And I don't particularly trust Umunna. But (depressingly) this seems like a more comprehensive vision than anything the leadership has come up with since Jeremy was first elected. Along with the (pretty much unnecessary at this point) analysis of labour's current poo poo creak situation, it has: a decent (if too soft) look at where New Labour went wrong, and it puts forward a genuine vision of how the party can move forward, drawing on all sorts of sources and ideas. There are just enough specifics to make it worth skimming through the waffle.
The bits that stand out as awkward are the national/parochialism/immigration bits and the family values bit (the latter seems very much out of New Labour's playbook).

If you can't trust him not to puss out on being leader twice you can't trust him to lead the party full stop.

# ? Mar 6, 2017 13:23