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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition?
This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn 95 18.63%
Dennis Skinner 53 10.39%
Angus Robertson 20 3.92%
Tim Farron 9 1.76%
Paul Ukips 7 1.37%
Robot Lenin 105 20.59%
Tony Blair 28 5.49%
Pissflaps 193 37.84%
Total: 510 votes
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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Skinty McEdger posted:

May's argument that she couldn't possibly allow the commons or Lords a veto on the terms of Brexit, because this may give the EU incentive to give the UK a bad deal, begs the question: then what the gently caress will the vote she promised at the end of the negotiations actually gong to be about?
"Was the Government's handling of Brexit a) Great b) Really Great c) Great Britain?"

Amendments will be allowed for proposed celebrations.

e: 2025 - Planned completion of the Square Kilometre Array, world population will reach 8 billion.

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Mar 6, 2017

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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
From PYF:

VitalSigns posted:

Someone tricked me into going to an MLM pitch and the waste of a few hours was almost worth it in retrospect just for the first-hand experience of seeing what an MLM sales pitch looks like.

The presenters did their best to preemptively turn you against your family and poison that well from the very beginning. "Your family will tell you it's a scam, it's a pyramid scheme, but they're just afraid to take a risk to build their own business. They want you to fail! Don't keep negative people in your life!"

Sounds familiar...

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

TinTower posted:

I'm pretty sure that Corbyn imposing a three-line whip for Brexit despite 78% of his constituents voting Remain is taking their votes for granted, you know.

e: oh my god, this is fractal dysfunctionality

https://twitter.com/jenwilliamsmen/status/837593259291656193

Reminder that the Manchester Evening News is the paper which reported that the new Mayor of Hyndburn would be holding his inaugural dinner at the local pub because "they did a lovely pie and peas supper".

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


I know the thread has mixed opinions of anime, but I think we can all agree that documentarians should stick to showing the argument, not proselytizing their own opinion.
BBC Three's Stacey Dooley thinks popular anime Girls Und Panzer, and similar titles, should be banned.

http://www.otakutale.com/2017/bbc-interviews-girls-und-panzers-character-designer-fiction-like-this-should-be-banned/



Since it's a fairly niche title even by anime standards, ourside of Japan, i feel compelled to mention that there is no "fan service" in the main series, and the closest it comes in the side episodes is a trip to the beach from the main protagonists.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

If you have a probem with drifting tanks fighting each other I think there might be something wrong with you.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
A BBC test team accidentally included a single frame of loli in an employee induction video in the 70s, turning half the staff instantly into nonces.

Also maybe this should start going in the OP to piss off Stacey Dooley, among other relevant reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4H70U26HxM

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

mehall posted:

I know the thread has mixed opinions of anime, but I think we can all agree that documentarians should stick to showing the argument, not proselytizing their own opinion.
BBC Three's Stacey Dooley thinks popular anime Girls Und Panzer, and similar titles, should be banned.

http://www.otakutale.com/2017/bbc-interviews-girls-und-panzers-character-designer-fiction-like-this-should-be-banned/



Since it's a fairly niche title even by anime standards, ourside of Japan, i feel compelled to mention that there is no "fan service" in the main series, and the closest it comes in the side episodes is a trip to the beach from the main protagonists.

I think it's rather unfair given there's no evidence she thinks these things other than that guy's tweets. And even in those tweets she's never accused of wanting to ban Girls und Panzer.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Mar 6, 2017

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

The BBC is full of shot and the sooner it goes away, the better

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Also I have an accountancy degree alongside my nursing one. I'm the only one of my colleagues to claim the tax relief on nmc and rcn membership that were allowed.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH
I don't think I can side with a guy who thinks we shouldn't tackle child abuse because poverty still exists.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

quote:

She ignored me when I said… “Don’t look at us to turn away from your problem within the UK”…. During the interview, we touched upon ways that we can tackle the child abuse issues in Commonwealth world. She said “banning all fictions like this!”. I suggested “Well, solve poverty first. Legalizing fictions that has no victims will lower the crime rate”. She seemed like she didn’t get the idea.

I think the article is incorrectly interpreting 'fictions like this' to refer to girls und panzer, when she's referring to child rape manga etc.

https://twitter.com/StaceyDooley/status/837959568382644224

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

All I'm saying is she probably never watched k-on

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean trying to "ban" that seems about as practical as banning piracy.

Which is to say, not.

If you're going to attempt to restrict access to it you'd need to go after the content hosts which would require international co-operation and probably won't be particularly affected either way by going after the end user.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Mar 6, 2017

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Lord of the Llamas posted:

I don't think I can side with a guy who thinks we shouldn't tackle child abuse because poverty still exists.
I was under the impression that he meant it more as "if you want to lower the crime rate, you should get rid of poverty before banning anime."

I'd agree, because one would actually reduce child abuse.

I'm not sure why he was paraphrased as "the UK should solve the issue of poverty before tackling child abuse" when in his actual quote he says "Well, solve poverty first. Legalizing fictions that has no victims will lower the crime rate."

(I have no idea whether weird Japanese fanservice or whatever lowers the rate of child abuse, but poverty definitely increases it.)

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

OwlFancier posted:

I mean trying to "ban" that seems about as practical as banning piracy.

Which is to say, not.

Well, no ban can be absolute, but I think it's good that you can't sell anime child porn in high street shops in the UK.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Death to all who never watched k-on

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Fangz posted:

Well, no ban can be absolute, but I think it's good that you can't sell anime child porn in high street shops in the UK.

I would concur, but that again is an issue of attacking supply, which is more sensible than digital content bans which tend to be directed at the end user and utterly impotent outside of national jurisdiction.

It's essentially running up against problems like drug bans and piracy bans and anything else that is incapable of actually attacking the supply of contraband. I think rather than trying to bang your head against that method with even more things an alternative approach might be advisable.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Mar 6, 2017

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
i agree with the stacey lady and suggest precautionary sterilization and incarceration of anime fans as a provisional protective measure

also in not so bad news: https://www.ft.com/content/2bc62cb8-004f-11e7-8d8e-a5e3738f9ae4

quote:

Carbon emissions in the UK have fallen to levels barely seen since the latter days of Queen Victoria after a collapse in the use of coal, new figures show.
Consumption of coal sank by a record 52 per cent in 2016 from the previous year as use of the fuel was pummelled by cheaper gas, higher domestic carbon prices, the spread of renewables and other environmental policies.
Coal has been a bedrock of UK power supply for more than 150 years and accounted for 23 per cent of the electricity mix as recently as two years ago.
But its share slid to just 9 per cent last year when it is estimated to have generated less electricity than wind farms for the first time.
Coal’s death spiral has come faster than expected. In November 2015, ministers announced plans to phase out coal power by 2025, and the UK may be closer to reaching its targets to cut climate-warming carbon pollution than previously thought.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Guavanaut posted:

I was under the impression that he meant it more as "if you want to lower the crime rate, you should get rid of poverty before banning anime."

I'd agree, because one would actually reduce child abuse.

I'm not sure why he was paraphrased as "the UK should solve the issue of poverty before tackling child abuse" when in his actual quote he says "Well, solve poverty first. Legalizing fictions that has no victims will lower the crime rate."

(I have no idea whether weird Japanese fanservice or whatever lowers the rate of child abuse, but poverty definitely increases it.)

"Do [incredibly difficult thing first] before we even discuss [thing that we came to talk about]" is a terribly obnoxious argument.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
Jakka jan

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I think there's evidence to suggest that anime child porn (lolicon) has been used by paedophiles to groom actual children, and that kind of material is illegal here in the UK which is good

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

But possibly far from sufficient if your goal is to prevent child abuse.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

Labour are either completely shambolic or endorse the majority of the status quo depending on which wing of the party they are on

'Or'? I don't exactly recall the Labour right being bastions of competence and unity.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

TinTower posted:

From PYF:


Sounds familiar...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkYHNO2vNG4

A rough summary of how Britain will negotiate.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

I'm also reasonably confident that there's a lot more social stigma involved in reporting rape in Japan, which is probably part of the reason rape stats are lower

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Well, Japan is a pretty fundamentally different society so these comparisons are not gonna be terribly useful.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
I've been watching anime for about 15 years and I've managed to avoid weirdo porn poo poo and tentacle rape of any kind. You do have to go looking for that stuff.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Regarde Aduck posted:

I've been watching anime for about 15 years and I've managed to avoid weirdo porn poo poo and tentacle rape of any kind. You do have to go looking for that stuff.

Only 15 years?

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Anyway Dooley is being harassed on twitter now, so please ban anime thanks Well, other than the ones I intend to watch

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

LemonDrizzle posted:

i agree with the stacey lady and suggest precautionary sterilization and incarceration of anime fans as a provisional protective measure

also in not so bad news: https://www.ft.com/content/2bc62cb8-004f-11e7-8d8e-a5e3738f9ae4

normally I think she comes across a bit gormless but in this case I agree with her: ban the anime

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Alternatively, relaunch corbyn-san as the most kawaii leader of the labour party desu nyaa~~!

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

Alternatively, relaunch corbyn-san as the most kawaii leader of the labour party desu nyaa~~!

He's moe as gently caress

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Very, erm, ecchi? Lots of otaku.

I'm running out of weeaboo words.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

Very, erm, ecchi?

I'm running out of weeaboo words.

Corbyn is NOT ecchi.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Namtab posted:

The BBC is full of shot and the sooner it goes away, the better

Same but anime.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Namtab posted:

Corbyn is NOT ecchi.

He might be.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

namesake posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkYHNO2vNG4

A rough summary of how Britain will negotiate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxXSWilBBS4&t=207s

And how David Davies think it will go.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

He might be.

Well, Diane Abbott definitely agrees with you

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

TinTower posted:

I'm pretty sure that Corbyn imposing a three-line whip for Brexit despite 78% of his constituents voting Remain is taking their votes for granted, you know.

Suddenly talking about policy is not a very good deflection from grossly misrepresenting what someone said. You implied RLB was suggesting Labour might lose, which isn't true, and is the same disingenuous interpretation printed in the Express. Do you really want to be in the same bucket as the Express?

jabby fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Mar 6, 2017

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Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH
I'm playing my monthly veto on anime chat. Enough guys.

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