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Helical Nightmares posted:I’m looking to make a list of all the rpgs and rpg supplements that tackle the subject of base building, domain management or organization building. A minor addition: Sagas of the Icelanders has an Icelandic Homestead Management minigame in the Man playbook that is surprisingly compelling. At first glance it looks like a resources-trading game like a boardless Settlers of Catan with progression, which is not a strong pitch for a playbook. But it turns out that hanging scarcity-based fiction on those resources imparts meaning and a sense of urgency: exchanging your 1-labor for ore to supply your smithy means less food and fuel for the brutal Icelandic winter, especially if you're forced to entertain guests - whom you are obligated by tradition to give food and shelter; fewer opportunities to throw the feasts that share (or flaunt) your prosperity and build or repair relationships with your quarrelsome neighbors; less land ploughed and sowed for crops, etc. But on the other hand, you might turn that ore into a sword inscribed with the name of your murdered brother, so that you can set fire to his killer's house and slay him and all his kin as they flee the flames. So, y'know, maybe it's worth a little starvation.
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Now I'm thinking about it, Rules Cyclopedia D&D had rules for establishing a stronghold as well, didn't it? There are loads of god games that handle domain management in a sorta kinda way: Godbound, Gods and Monsters, Mystic Empyrean, Nobilis... Chuubo's would let you build a base if you took the right quests for it. I think.
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Mar 6, 2017 20:45
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I totally forgot Ars Magica
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Helical Nightmares posted:So what am I missing from this list? Like half the Traveller line, since almost every book gives you rules for building SOMETHING, but if you want some specifics (going off the mongoose line): The main rulebook has rules for building planets. Merchant Prince lets you build trading companies. Dynasty lets you build and manage dynasties that last generations. Mercenary has guidelines for military base building. GURPS Books: Boardroom and Curia is all about statting out organizations and how to make that meaningful in play. Dungeon Fantasy Taverns and Dungeon Fantasy Guilds are, surprisingly, about creating and using taverns and guilds, respectively. If you really want to get into the weeds, Low-Tech Companions 1-3 have basically everything you'd want to know about functioning low-tech societies, and I'd recommend either Companion 1: Philosophers and Kings, which focuses on government and scholarship or Companion 3: Daily life and Economics, which has a lot of good poo poo about like domesticating animals and what it takes to build an infrastructure somewhere. City Stats is good for giving you the tools to generate thumbnail writeups of various cities in a campaign world. There are a ton more, this is just what I can come up with by looking at a couple pdf folders
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Mar 6, 2017 20:55
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Apocalypse World does that quite a bit: the hardholder has to manage their settlement, the hocus has to manage their cult, the chopper manages their gang and so on. My own Legacy: Life Among the Ruins takes rebuilding after the Apocalypse as its main theme: every player gets a family of survivors to manage and tools to reshape the homeland over the generations. The latest book also added civilisation-style wonders - big projects you work on over long sweeps of time, competing with other players to be the first to complete them.
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Mar 6, 2017 20:56
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Pendragon is half about ensuring you have a family to pass your estate on to, and trying to make sure that estate isn't garbage. If you're putting An Echo Resounding on there you should also include basically all of Crawford's other games on there because they all have rules for building whatever organizations are relevant to the setting.
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Mar 6, 2017 21:02
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Helical Nightmares posted:I’m looking to make a list of all the rpgs and rpg supplements that tackle the subject of base building, domain management or organization building. Way of the Wicked book 2 has an interesting if imperfect take on the 3.PF leadership feat. It gives an expanded system for managing all the henchmen you get.
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Helical Nightmares posted:I’m looking to make a list of all the rpgs and rpg supplements that tackle the subject of base building, domain management or organization building. The Weapons of the Gods Companion
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Mar 6, 2017 21:13
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Helical Nightmares posted:I’m looking to make a list of all the rpgs and rpg supplements that tackle the subject of base building, domain management or organization building. Damnation City for Vampire: the Requiem.
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Mar 6, 2017 22:01
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Helical Nightmares posted:I’m looking to make a list of all the rpgs and rpg supplements that tackle the subject of base building, domain management or organization building. Green Law of Varkith has rules for running a guild in Dungeon World.
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Mar 6, 2017 22:08
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Helical Nightmares posted:I’m looking to make a list of all the rpgs and rpg supplements that tackle the subject of base building, domain management or organization building. Ars Magica (Haha beat Mors Rattus to it!) Edit : drat it!
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Mar 6, 2017 22:14
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Great responses so far guys. I don't recall base building in Exalted. Is that in the newer edition or is my memory flawed? Updated List quote:D&D
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Mar 6, 2017 23:51
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Spellbound Kingdoms has some fairly in-depth organization rules.
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Helical Nightmares posted:Great responses so far guys. I know the Mandate of Heaven rules were in 2nd edition somewhere. Can't remember if there was anything about it in 1e, and I'm not familiar with 3e so I couldn't speak to that.
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Mar 7, 2017 00:05
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The Nightmares Underneath is an OSR game with some light rules for establishing ties to local businesses and organisations. Its not so much about building your own, as about developing roots in the community.
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Mar 7, 2017 00:12
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Again I think Heroquest (at least Glorantha Heroquest anyway) has community building rules, but not sure if they are the same as "base building" as it were.
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Mar 7, 2017 00:22
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Does anyone know where you can find pics of the Pathfinder Pawn box/set contents? There's a couple I'm thinking about buying but I'd like to know what some of this stuff actually looks like.
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Mar 7, 2017 00:27
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Which ones were you interested in? I have the Bestiary Box, NPC Codex, and Monster Codex. I could post pictures later tonight.
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potatocubed posted:I know the Mandate of Heaven rules were in 2nd edition somewhere. Can't remember if there was anything about it in 1e, and I'm not familiar with 3e so I couldn't speak to that. Mandate of Heaven was in the 2e Storyteller's Companion book, and were completely ignored for the rest of the line. There are no 3e equivalents either sadly. It used an interesting approach statting up political entities using the PC attributes and Limit stat, and provided some really evocative ways of messing with your neighbours via approaches that weren't just war. And yeah the Companion book for BECMI had pretty revolutionary dominion management rules which were expanded on in the later books, because the assumption was that every PC would be running a dominion - the later modules were one of the few places we've seen D&D adventures that were working on the expectation that everyone would be a local baron.
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xiw posted:Mandate of Heaven was in the 2e Storyteller's Companion book, and were completely ignored for the rest of the line. There are no 3e equivalents either sadly. It used an interesting approach statting up political entities using the PC attributes and Limit stat, and provided some really evocative ways of messing with your neighbours via approaches that weren't just war. It was an interesting notion but the system was just way too hilariously obtuse in a way only Exalted could manage. Let's say I'm at war and I look up the "conquest actions". Do you use Sturdier Mouse Persuasion, Gluttonous Bear Encirclement, or Serpent Stalks the Reeds Insinuation? Uh, what does Serpent do again? "The Harmonious Tryptich Accords frequently revile those who would betray their society, yet fills a volume on this action's most efficacious use."  Gee, thanks.
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There was also a replacement domain management system in Masters of Jade. Creation-Ruling Mandate? That was actually pretty okay, without any of the bizarrely obtuse bullshit from the Companion's system. Of course, that was the second-to-last 2e book. I think maybe I wrote one thing that affected it in Shards, and then that's the end of that.
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That Old Tree posted:There was also a replacement domain management system in Masters of Jade. Creation-Ruling Mandate? That was actually pretty okay, without any of the bizarrely obtuse bullshit from the Companion's system. Of course, that was the second-to-last 2e book. I think maybe I wrote one thing that affected it in Shards, and then that's the end of that. Yeah, that was a lot better!... and then it was abandoned about as quickly as it was implemented, with the line from you-know-who of "Oh, you only think you want to see this system supported! Well, you're wrong! You don't!"  Gee, thanks.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:It was an interesting notion but the system was just way too hilariously obtuse in a way only Exalted could manage. Let's say I'm at war and I look up the "conquest actions". Do you use Sturdier Mouse Persuasion, Gluttonous Bear Encirclement, or Serpent Stalks the Reeds Insinuation? Uh, what does Serpent do again? "The Harmonious Tryptich Accords frequently revile those who would betray their society, yet fills a volume on this action's most efficacious use." poo poo like this from Exalted is probably why I now have such a keen appreciation of Apocalypse World and other good PbtA's use of playbooks for extreme clarity about "here's your character's role in the story, and here's the system to do that in like a half-page." Exalted was fantastically bad about both obtuse subsystems and about springing "actually, your PC is supposed to be doing X" on you, particularly for non-Solar PCs. Figuring out that, no, it was actually a systemic expectation that my 1E Lunar should have been committing constant bestiality to grow his own furry incest army was especially "fun." (That character's concept after a certain point was "I hate everything about my Exaltation type and refuse to give up my humanity but will still fight for the future of Creation," which was okay to play, but if I'd known what the devs expected from Lunars I would have just made Generic Solar McHitsGuys or something.)
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Lunar Exalted were the goddamn worst as far as mismatch between core and splat in 1e.
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Helical Nightmares posted:Great responses so far guys. The Savage Worlds Super Hero Companion has rules for building an HQ for your hero/heroes.
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Helical Nightmares posted:Updated List It's Gilded Cage.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:It was an interesting notion but the system was just way too hilariously obtuse in a way only Exalted could manage. Let's say I'm at war and I look up the "conquest actions". Do you use Sturdier Mouse Persuasion, Gluttonous Bear Encirclement, or Serpent Stalks the Reeds Insinuation? Uh, what does Serpent do again? "The Harmonious Tryptich Accords frequently revile those who would betray their society, yet fills a volume on this action's most efficacious use." I thought the way it represented dominions was super useful and evocative though - all of 2e was a huge disappointment every time i opened a splatbook about a town and saw worthless mechanical stats for Pointless Army #17 instead of a MoH statblock for the place.
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HarnManor (for HarnMaster) has detailed rules for managing a noble estate. Harn's Pilot's Almanac has detailed rules for sailing ships and trading cargo. Champions (all versions) had detailed rules for building superhero (and supervillain) bases. Characters could spend their character points updating their Batcaves or whatever.
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Mar 7, 2017 04:00
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gently caress, Harn has detailed rules for managing a field of turnips.
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Halloween Jack posted:gently caress, Harn has detailed rules for managing a field of turnips. 
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Halloween Jack posted:gently caress, Harn has detailed rules for managing a field of turnips. 
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FMguru posted:First, your noble estateholder character had to make a roll to convince his tenant-farmers to switch their fields from planting rye and barley to planting turnips. Holy hell, this owns
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Helical Nightmares posted:I'm looking to make a list of all the rpgs and rpg supplements that tackle the subject of base building, domain management or organization building. 4e's base-building stuff is scattered throughout the series. Stronghold Items first appeared in Adventurer's Vault 2, and included stuff that you wouldn't really carry around with you like throne rooms and magic beds and the greatest item- enchanted kegs that filled with beer every morning. Dragon 383 included a bunch of different lair items that were more dragon-themed like beds of coins or a magic ledger that tallied the value of everything within 10 squares of where it had been sitting for the past day and told you if anything changed since the last time you checked it. Dragon 395 included basic rules for building strongholds and various stuff you could put in it like prisons and magic labs and the like, plus the Bigby's Construction Crew ritual so you could build a fortress in a month, and the Call Stronghold and Flying Fortress rituals so you can teleport your castle or even make it fly. Of note is that Flying Fortress is a Travel ritual, not a creation one like the other two, so there are various ways you can cast it for free and basically make one flying fortress per day out of any local neighborhood. It also mentioned that ships are a great idea for filling a similar role to the one that strongholds filled for player characters. Dragon 412 was all about boats and had various enchanted stuff you could put in your boat, like magic sails and diving capabilities. Mordenkainen's Magnificent Emporium had the rules for hirelings, which basically were minions with specialty auras, and Dragon 412 also had some more hirelings for your sailing crew. On this tangent, ENWorld published their Admiral o' the High Seas naval supplement with rules for building ships and doing naval combat in a system for 4e/Pathfinder, the basics of which were reprinted in their free Seas of Zeitgeist supplement, which was published in their Zeitgeist Player's Guide. Regarding Pathfinder: Ultimate Campaign also has all the downtime and buildings/organizations rules, and they did some more with organizations in the Hell's Rebels Campaign where you built up a little rebellion organization and sent out your teams to do some stuff each week. Way of the Wicked Book 6 and the Book 7 supplement also had its own kingdom-management-related stuff. 3e/3.5e also had various rules scattered throughout various books, but that will have to wait a bit.
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:Is there still a general discord that TG posters use? I can't find a link anywhere. https://discord.gg/vyEphA9 this is the link to the good discord
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Antivehicular posted:Holy hell, this owns Here's the full rules for convincing your serfs to change what they're planting  Be sure and fill out your manorial records every year, like the good folks running the Monastery at Clord do: 
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Accounting: The Elfening.
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I like Dungeon World, but I agree that one of the major things missing are any OSR style rules for stronghold building beyond "this is how much coin you need to have a castle built." It'd be nice to include Advanced Moves that reflected stuff like "your character attracts a group of mercenary followers" or "you own a wizard's laboratory and can make your own monsters."
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Just put up a short blogpost for The Next Project I'm kinda trying to figure out what the driving force should be behind the game, from a mechanical sense; I was talking things out with my playtester and I realized that the game doesn't have a good reward system in place, so I've been hmmming and hawing about that recently.
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Simian_Prime posted:I like Dungeon World, but I agree that one of the major things missing are any OSR style rules for stronghold building beyond "this is how much coin you need to have a castle built." It'd be nice to include Advanced Moves that reflected stuff like "your character attracts a group of mercenary followers" or "you own a wizard's laboratory and can make your own monsters." It'd be pretty easy to adapt the Hardhold from AW, and make it a level up thing.
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