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shyduck posted:Stallman is a bit of a kook but he's been generally on the ball with his predictions.
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TPSDude posted:Oh boy another Snowden, supposed memeber of CIA hacking community leaking secrets and practices. See poo poo like this is why I was pissed about Manning's commutation.
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https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/839218579102920704 Besides the fact that this is beyond false, does this guy ever not talk in absolutes? Casimir Radon posted:Stallman likes to use terms like "consensual pedophilia".  I was not aware
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The Iron Rose posted:See poo poo like this is why I was pissed about Manning's commutation. maybe they uh... shouldn't illegally spy on people, including Americans?
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https://twitter.com/SabrinaSiddiqui/status/839220095733891072 So didn't see this earlier, looks like the investigation actually is going somewhere. M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Hot Karl Marx posted:maybe they uh... shouldn't illegally spy on people, including Americans? Did the leaks even show any evidence that the CIA was spying on Americans domestically? Because that would be an even bigger story than the existence of the hacking tools. EDIT: Just reading the comments here, because it's a loving goldmine of histrionics and stupid. https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/5y0mol/wikileaks_reveals_cia_malware_that_targets_iphone/ Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Casimir Radon posted:Stallman likes to use terms like "consensual pedophilia". That's less known but definitely the worst part of Stallman. The most well known is a video of him sitting barefoot at some conference or whatever, casually picking poo poo off his feet and then eating it.
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shyduck posted:Besides the fact that this is beyond false, does this guy ever not talk in absolutes? The Sith deal in absolutes
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Hot Karl Marx posted:maybe they uh... shouldn't illegally spy on people, including Americans? Everything in that Wikipedia press release shows only that the CIA has their own TAO program, which is... fine? The CIA is an intelligence agency. Their job is to collect intelligence and to spy on foreign powers. I'm pissed that the leaks happened in the first place, not that they had a big hacking program.
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Your daily  https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/839116941956640768
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If you have to say that, it usually means the opposite is happening or else you wouldn't have to say anything
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Handsome Ralph posted:Did the leaks even show any evidence that the CIA was spying on Americans domestically? Because that would be an even bigger story than the existence of the hacking tools. The CIA has a long history of illegally spying on Americans domestically. You can take their assurances that they've cut it out at face value, but I don't think it's unreasonable to be concerned about them expanding their capabilities.
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The Iron Rose posted:Everything in that Wikipedia press release shows only that the CIA has their own TAO program, which is... fine? The CIA is an intelligence agency. Their job is to collect intelligence and to spy on foreign powers. The whole point of this is to further delegitimize the intel agencies to the US public, with an added bonus of poking Europe and going "Hey, they spied on you and hosed with your elections, Russia doesn't do that".
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:The CIA has a long history of illegally spying on Americans domestically. You can take their assurances that they've cut it out at face value, but I don't think it's unreasonable to be concerned about them expanding their capabilities. I know this is true (and a major reason why FISA warrants are now a thing), but in this case, it's still dumb when people say they are doing it (based on Wikileaks which is just lol given their recent history), again, without evidence to back it up. While I get and understand that people are anxious about the CIA having those capabilities, I think the solution is more congressional oversight not, "GET RID OF THE CIA/NSA AND THOSE CAPABILITIES, THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WITH THEM!" 
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redneck nazgul posted:The whole point of this is to further delegitimize the intel agencies to the US public, with an added bonus of poking Europe and going "Hey, they spied on you and hosed with your elections, Russia doesn't do that". Oh undeniably, and it's undeniably successful at that. Your typical crowd will take this as an example of spies run amok. I mean all this leak says to me is that the CIA is very very good at what they do. At securing information, if not retaining it. I'm not seeing any proof of illegal surveillance of Americans - the potential is there, sure, but that's been true ever since the Culper Ring. Ultimately how you take this hinges on your opinion of the CIA as a whole. If you like the organization or like American hegemony, then it's an incredibly damaging attack on the United States that severely damages our operations all over the world, albeit one that showcases the broad depth of talent that the CIA has. It's simultaneously reassuring and concerning. Reassuring in the sense that it reveals to the public that, despite what naysayers might say, the CIA's actually pretty dang good at collecting intelligence. Concerning because, oh poo poo, that information's now out there and is hugely damaging to our intelligence collection efforts in future. And damaging towards public confidence in our intelligence agencies as well, which certainly won't help our domestic situation.
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bird food bathtub posted:Trump has a very good brain, he's assured me personally that this is true, so international crises are going to be trivial for him to handle. He'll just make the best deal and make America great again.  Abby....Normal? You mean I put a diseased brain into a 500 lb gorilla who happens to be the President of the United States!?
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Huh. I thought Noriega was dead already.
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Revive him with some Guns and Roses, that's his jam.
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The real Noriega. He owe me a hundred favors.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Speaking of the CIA... Holy poo poo he's still alive?
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The Iron Rose posted:Everything in that Wikipedia press release shows only that the CIA has their own TAO program, which is... fine? The CIA is an intelligence agency. Their job is to collect intelligence and to spy on foreign powers. The NSA is only supposed to perform collection and analysis, not conduct offensive actions. It makes sense that the CIA has its own organization for that purpose.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Holy poo poo he's still alive?
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Handsome Ralph posted:I know this is true (and a major reason why FISA warrants are now a thing), but in this case, it's still dumb when people say they are doing it (based on Wikileaks which is just lol given their recent history), again, without evidence to back it up. I think it's less an issue that the CIA itself is actively spying on certain Americans and more that the NSA, CIA and other alphabet agencies are passively spying/datamining every American and now it's legal for them to share the information back and forth with no oversight.
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DownByTheWooter posted:The real Noriega. He owe me a hundred favors. shout out to all the pear
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Handsome Ralph posted:I know this is true (and a major reason why FISA warrants are now a thing), but in this case, it's still dumb when people say they are doing it (based on Wikileaks which is just lol given their recent history), again, without evidence to back it up. VikingSkull posted:I think it's less an issue that the CIA itself is actively spying on certain Americans and more that the NSA, CIA and other alphabet agencies are passively spying/datamining every American and now it's legal for them to share the information back and forth with no oversight. Isn't there a point where we have to just trust that the three-letter agencies aren't spying on Americans illegally? I'm not saying they would or wouldn't, but is there a way to prove if it is or isn't happening without putting everyone's private info out there?
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Kuroyama posted:Isn't there a point where we have to just trust that the three-letter agencies aren't spying on Americans illegally? I'm not saying they would or wouldn't, but is there a way to prove if it is or isn't happening without putting everyone's private info out there? That's the issue though, there's not a good way to establish that illegal spying (or illegal information sharing where it's not outright spying) is not still going on and from the information that has gotten out there's good evidence that these agencies have regularly flouted the law. If there was legitimate oversight it would be a different conversation, but recent leaks have been very clear that intelligence agencies are outright lying to the people that are supposed to have the authority to reign them in - and this has not resulted in any consequences. If you ignore everything else, then sure, the CIA should be developing these tools and we should not be hearing about it. But in the context of what we've learned about intelligence agencies in recent history  .
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Wow sounds like the CIA really poo poo the bed wrt opsec and the like. I don't like the leak but wtf. When is the contractor that made the leak getting clipped?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:That's the issue though, there's not a good way to establish that illegal spying (or illegal information sharing where it's not outright spying) is not still going on and from the information that has gotten out there's good evidence that these agencies have regularly flouted the law. If there was legitimate oversight it would be a different conversation, but recent leaks have been very clear that intelligence agencies are outright lying to the people that are supposed to have the authority to reign them in - and this has not resulted in any consequences. I'm not going to defend the NSA's poo poo, but so far nothing in these leaks is any more "illegal" than normal covert espionage.
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RAND PAUL IS GOOD AND MY FRIEND AND HE WILL TWEET AT ME ON THURSDAY
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DownByTheWooter posted:The real Noriega. He owe me a hundred favors. My first thought as well
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The Iron Rose posted:See poo poo like this is why I was pissed about Manning's commutation. Wouldn't the appropriate defensive move after losing all your zero days be to report them to the companies you could have exploited?
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