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quote:“Wonder Woman” attempts a high degree of difficulty from its very premise: Along with being a superhero movie, Warner Bros.’ upcoming DC Comics-based feature is also a period piece and a war film. But even though the movie’s set in the midst of World War I, director Patty Jenkins wants you to know that it’s what happens, not when it happens, that truly matters. http://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-patty-jenkins-world-war-i-setting/
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I just realized how odd it is that Wonder Woman's origin here is actually farther back in time than her original debut.
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Mar 8, 2017 03:51
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I wonder if that was a purely creative choice because the setting isn't used often or if it was because Marvel also has a character out of time that wears lots of blue who originated during WWII.
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Mar 8, 2017 05:05
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Neo Rasa posted:I wonder if that was a purely creative choice because the setting isn't used often or if it was because Marvel also has a character out of time that wears lots of blue who originated during WWII. It's probably because it was a truly horrifying, grinding, largely static war that provides a perfect counterpoint to Wonder Woman's incredible mobility and near invulnerability. If memory serves, the other choice was the Crimean war, which was a similarly insanely awful, pointless war.
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Mar 8, 2017 05:11
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The MSJ posted:The cellist who made BvS' Wonder Woman theme did a metal cover. loving dope.
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Mar 8, 2017 07:29
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WW's theme gets talked up a lot but I think Zimmer's Lex Luthor theme is amazing and the best piece of scoring in that film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3N-O5BCZSM
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Mar 8, 2017 07:32
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Snowman_McK posted:It's probably because it was a truly horrifying, grinding, largely static war that provides a perfect counterpoint to Wonder Woman's incredible mobility and near invulnerability. If memory serves, the other choice was the Crimean war, which was a similarly insanely awful, pointless war. Yeah, a key part of using WWI is that it's a grinding war where modern technology blasts the old notions of war. The level of disillusionment associated with The Great War ties in near perfectly with the stated introduction from BvS that she turned her back on the world of man. There's not Nazis that are near comically evil, and there's not even really an ideological conflict. There's an aggressive futility tied to the war that is almost unique, even when you compare it with other notoriously "bad wars".
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Mar 8, 2017 07:38
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Gyges posted:Yeah, a key part of using WWI is that it's a grinding war where modern technology blasts the old notions of war. The level of disillusionment associated with The Great War ties in near perfectly with the stated introduction from BvS that she turned her back on the world of man. There's not Nazis that are near comically evil, and there's not even really an ideological conflict. There's an aggressive futility tied to the war that is almost unique, even when you compare it with other notoriously "bad wars". You're right. There's not really even any villains in WW1, just incompetence and callousness. The most amazing story I remember reading from WW1 was that, after Cambrai, which was the first successful use of tanks, there were British cavalry officers did their level best to 'prove' the tanks didn't work as well as claimed. Going so far as to seize on largely invented stories of artillery annihilating tanks en masse to prove that they, the cavalry, should still be front and centre and that this new weapon didn't work nearly as well as it obviously did. It's the same mentality that produces 'overrated movies' lists, but it lead to thousands if not millions of deaths. It was a pointless war protracted by incredible small mindedness, and it's hard to think of a better setting for Wonder Woman becoming disillusioned.
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Mar 8, 2017 09:51
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I think all judgement of Logan should made in light of the fact that (big spoilers!) is that it ends with Wolverine's death, and at his funeral a kid mournfully squeezes a Wolverine action figure. Because that really happens in the movie.
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Mar 8, 2017 09:56
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Gyges posted:There's an aggressive futility tied to the war that is almost unique, even when you compare it with other notoriously "bad wars". This, for sure. WW2 is pretty universally regarded as a necessary conflict where good triumphed over evil. As much as it was an absurd nightmare of destruction, you can't get past the idea that Nazis are an apocalypse cult that needed to be stopped. If Diana's takeaway is supposed to be that man is a blind, warlike animal that fights for no reason, you need a conflict where neither side has a strong case for being "the good guys." Though it helps that WW1 has a way less familiar imagery to modern audiences. That'll look neat.
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Mar 8, 2017 10:50
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Huh, it just occurred to me that Steve Trevor is now a WW1 fighter pilot so he'll probably be flying a jaunty biplane. Although judging from the trailers he upgrades himself to a Fokker Eindecker at some point.  
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Mar 8, 2017 11:24
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Honestly if I were to blame any parties for the war more than others it'd be France and Russia. It's a war with no "clear baddie" but we still get a skewed history of it over here, like Austria- Hungary's post-assassination ultimatum was completely unreasonable and meant to be rejected
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Mar 8, 2017 12:34
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Mechafunkzilla posted:WW's theme gets talked up a lot but I think Zimmer's Lex Luthor theme is amazing and the best piece of scoring in that film. http://batman-news.com/2016/11/28/lex-luthor-theme-batman-v-superman-distorted-superman/
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Mar 8, 2017 12:59
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The MSJ posted:I guess this count as a comic book movie. If your first trailer lacks the one thing anyone cares about in the jojo series, you hosed up. Also it just plain looks bad.
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Mar 8, 2017 13:01
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Freakazoid_ posted:Also it just plain looks bad. Standard Miike.
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Mar 8, 2017 13:08
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Honestly if I were to blame any parties for the war more than others it'd be France and Russia. It's a war with no "clear baddie" but we still get a skewed history of it over here, like Austria- Hungary's post-assassination ultimatum was completely unreasonable and meant to be rejected Well, it certainly didn't help that one of the leading/few voices for a more reasonable treatment of the Serbs was the one whose assassination by the Serbs, creating the catalyst for the whole thing. Or that Germany wrote Austria-Hungary a blank check of backing and then the Kaiser went on a goddamned vacation where no one could reach him for weeks as the continent frantically both revved up the war machine and desperately tried to find a way not to have a war.
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Mar 8, 2017 13:51
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I think all judgement of Logan should made in light of the fact that (big spoilers!) is that it ends with Wolverine's death, and at his funeral a kid mournfully squeezes a Wolverine action figure. Because that really happens in the movie. This isn't the sick iceburn you think it is. In fact it was pretty touching and effective in context.
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Mar 8, 2017 13:52
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Xealot posted:If Diana's takeaway is supposed to be that man is a blind, warlike animal that fights for no reason, you need a conflict where neither side has a strong case for being "the good guys." Though it helps that WW1 has a way less familiar imagery to modern audiences. That'll look neat. On the other hand, we know Ares is involved so I'm really not expecting any nuance. I'm expecting the Germans to just be totally-not-actually-Nazis in gas masks.
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Mar 8, 2017 14:09
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McSpanky posted:This isn't the sick iceburn you think it is. In fact it was pretty touching and effective in context. Actually, it was hilariously bad for Logan to recontextualize everything that came before as the death of an action figure.
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Mar 8, 2017 14:45
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Actually, it was hilariously bad for Logan to recontextualize everything that came before as the death of an action figure. Actually, he's a comic bookmen.
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Mar 8, 2017 14:47
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Actually, it was hilariously bad for Logan to recontextualize everything that came before as the death of an action figure. Why is that hilariously bad? I don't get what you're trying to say.
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Mar 8, 2017 14:55
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Cythereal posted:On the other hand, we know Ares is involved so I'm really not expecting any nuance. I'm expecting the Germans to just be totally-not-actually-Nazis in gas masks. OTOH it might actually be funnier if Ares shows up towards the end and goes "uh you guys are too much even for me, cya"
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Mar 8, 2017 14:57
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Why is that hilariously bad? I don't get what you're trying to say. Because with all of its trappings of adult storytelling, it really is just that juvenile in the end. It's the last we see of Wolverine in any form in the movie: as a children's toy. All the violent sadism and thick sentimentality of the movie was ultimately in service to that.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:02
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Because with all of its trappings of adult storytelling, it really is just that juvenile in the end. It's the last we see of Wolverine in any form in the movie: as a children's toy. All the violent sadism and thick sentimentality of the movie was ultimately in service to that. No I got what you were saying, I just don't understand why it's bad. I mean, it's true, right?
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Mar 8, 2017 15:11
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Symbols are literally no different than the things they represent and can be exchanged freely, guys 
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Mar 8, 2017 15:15
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When did people begin to poo poo on GOtG? I didn't love it or anything but I thought the general consensus was that it was pretty damned good. Is it the "now that it's popular, it's cool not to like it" thing?
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Mar 8, 2017 15:15
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BiggerBoat posted:When did people begin to poo poo on GOtG? I didn't love it or anything but I thought the general consensus was that it was pretty damned good. Is it the "now that it's popular, it's cool not to like it" thing? Contrarianism and "actually, good things are bad" have been staples of the internet since 1992.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:17
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BiggerBoat posted:When did people begin to poo poo on GOtG? I didn't love it or anything but I thought the general consensus was that it was pretty damned good. Is it the "now that it's popular, it's cool not to like it" thing? Comic book movies that get lauded as THE BEST ONE YET will usually start receiving backlash when the hype eventually wears off. For example, it's now easy to see now how hackneyed GotG's writing is, and how terrible the dialogue is in the trailers for the sequel. Mr. Flunchy posted:No I got what you were saying, I just don't understand why it's bad. The movie is very juvenile in how it reaches for maturity but defaults to sadism and sentimentality, and the action figure helpfully underlines that. So I guess it isn't actually bad, it's more insightful. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Mar 8, 2017 15:29
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It was static on the western front but was fluid in the east.
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Mar 8, 2017 15:37
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It was the mullet of Wars
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Mar 8, 2017 16:03
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Guardians of the Galaxy is awesome. I remember in this thread there was a conversation about how it is now actually a bad movie because its aesthetic isn't as detailed as Blade Runner but like, no poo poo most movies aren't going to look like one of the single best looking movies ever made.
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Mar 8, 2017 16:05
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Neo Rasa posted:Guardians of the Galaxy is awesome. I remember in this thread there was a conversation about how it is now actually a bad movie because its aesthetic isn't as detailed as Blade Runner but like, no poo poo most movies aren't going to look like one of the single best looking movies ever made. If they're going to make a dumb comparison like that, they might as well just compare it to the best looking movie ever made. Speed Racer
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Mar 8, 2017 16:11
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BiggerBoat posted:When did people begin to poo poo on GOtG? I didn't love it or anything but I thought the general consensus was that it was pretty damned good. Is it the "now that it's popular, it's cool not to like it" thing? No because why would it be popular in here back when it was released and then largely when people stopped caring about the "it's popular so it's poo poo" people come out of the woodwork? That's oxymoronic, it wasn't an obscure gem that gained momentum after release, it was extremely popular on release and then kinda faded from memory. I like GotG pretty well but I can understand people reevaluating it now that they sequel is imminent.
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Mar 8, 2017 17:10
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Actually, it was hilariously bad for Logan to recontextualize everything that came before as the death of an action figure. Nah, it actually owns, it's not every day you see a superhero movie that's completely self-aware about the "real" importance of its central character. The entire movie is about the conflict between the man, Logan, and the myth, Wolverine. The myth is what lives on after his death, not the man.
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Mar 8, 2017 17:19
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Actually, it was hilariously bad for Logan to recontextualize everything that came before as the death of an action figure. But the movie goes to great lengths to show that Wolverine is well known and the X-Men had mass media adaptations within Logan's universe. It isn't like the toy comes from out of nowhere
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Mar 8, 2017 17:30
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Nah, it actually owns, it's not every day you see a superhero movie that's completely self-aware about the "real" importance of its central character. The entire movie is about the conflict between the man, Logan, and the myth, Wolverine. The myth is what lives on after his death, not the man. The movie is about Wolverine dying. There's no conflict between man and myth because he's a comic book mutant superhero. He already is a myth Also, lol at toys representing myth. Toys represent play, which is a different thing from myth. notthegoatseguy posted:But the movie goes to great lengths to show that Wolverine is well known and the X-Men had mass media adaptations within Logan's universe. It isn't like the toy comes from out of nowhere The bad part isn't that there are Wolverine action figures. The bad part is that the movie never escapes from being so juvenile, and can accurately be summed up as Logan: Death of an Action Figure.
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Mar 8, 2017 18:08
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the comic book movie man was a comic book movie man
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Mar 8, 2017 18:22
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This is certainly interesting...
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Mar 8, 2017 18:29
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Eyes small.
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I hope it's because Hulk accidentally ripped his hair off.
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