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The Marshall deal was a no-brainer for both sides. There's the added benefit that Marshall may be able to rein in OBJ's headass behavior This will be a good team again next season, maybe great if they find a pass-catching TE in the draft and fix the line. Playcalling needs a tune up as well
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sean10mm posted:The Patriots are going to low-ball every big name they're connected with in free agency/trade rumors and sign none of them. This is incredibly depressing and probably accurate.
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Kalli posted:Darrelle Revis, Peyton Manning, Aqib Talib, DeMarcus Ware, Charles Woodson, Anquan Boldin, and a whole bunch of B-tier guys. He might mean "free agency player" in the sense of teams that are big players in free agency? Otherwise, yeah, there have been a bunch of individual players who were big-name free agents that got rings on their new teams. e: Alter Ego posted:This is incredibly depressing and probably accurate. Yeah, the results have been a real train wreck for them lol.  Forever_Peace posted:The risk that Brady falls off a cliff has got to change the calculus a bit, no? People have been expecting the Patriots to sell out for one last push with Old Man Brady since Randy Moss left, and they keep not doing it, so I dunno. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Kalli posted:Darrelle Revis, Peyton Manning, Aqib Talib, DeMarcus Ware, Charles Woodson, Anquan Boldin, and a whole bunch of B-tier guys. Wood was considered washed up when the Packers picked him up. sean10mm posted:He might mean "free agency player" in the sense of teams that are big players in free agency? Denver comes to mind.
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sean10mm posted:The Patriots are going to low-ball every big name they're connected with in free agency/trade rumors and sign none of them. I think that's underselling it a bit. They've traded for Bennett and Revis in the last three years.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I think that's underselling it a bit. They've traded for Bennett and Revis in the last three years. Revis was a big exception, absolutely. He was still an elite player and it was a real HOLY poo poo moment. He was the 10% exception I was thinking of. Browner was still well thought of when they picked him up that year, too. Bennett isn't in Revis's category as a free agent move though. He was a nice 1 year rental of a good but not elite player.
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Glennon & Cousins chat had me thinking of how bad Cousins was when he first entered the league. Glennon in his 13 starts in 2013: 59.4% completion %; 19/9 TD/Int; & 6.3 Y/A Cousins in his 9 starts between 2012 and 2014: 58.9% completion %; 14/15 TD/Int; & 7.5 Y/A Both didn't have much talent around them those years. So Glennon might be decent in the right situation (same as Kirk)?
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Carlosologist posted:The Marshall deal was a no-brainer for both sides. There's the added benefit that Marshall may be able to rein in OBJ's headass behavior The TE wouldn't even have to be that good. Just a fat guy who takes up space in the middle of the field like we had with Jake Ballard.
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sean10mm posted:Yeah, the results have been a real train wreck for them lol. Fair point, but it would be nice to see 1-2 decent-sized names actually sign with the team this offseason. Our luck has to run out eventually with the whole "sign the scrub squad and hope one of them works out" scheme.
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Alter Ego posted:Fair point, but it would be nice to see 1-2 decent-sized names actually sign with the team this offseason. It's like a 15 year sample size dude, I think we're OK being complacent about it now. Until Brady dies of old age and/or Belichick retires, then it's probably going to be like staring into an open sewer connected to a buffalo wing eating contest, but whatever.
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Alter Ego posted:Fair point, but it would be nice to see 1-2 decent-sized names actually sign with the team this offseason. It works because many of the "scrubs" are being poorly utilized by bad coaching staffs. I don't think that phenomenon is ever going to go away in the NFL.
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Alter Ego posted:Fair point, but it would be nice to see 1-2 decent-sized names actually sign with the team this offseason. LOL @ Luck. It's not luck pal.
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Forever_Peace posted:The risk that Brady falls off a cliff has got to change the calculus a bit, no? No, they rely on "we'll give you half the money the other guys are offering, but we'll give you a serious shot at a super bowl ring" to underpay everyone and surround Brady with better talent than they should be able to afford. It's just that they focus more on a broad level of talent than individual superstars (besides Brady and Gronk, and Gronk is exactly why they're sort of wary of big spending on one guy: a single injury means a lot of your investment is gone for that year).
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I want to make a joke about how Marshall will be a positive influence on ODBJ's temperament, but Marshall hasn't gotten in trouble since his Denver days, right?
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a new study bible! posted:I want to make a joke about how Marshall will be a positive influence on ODBJ's temperament, but Marshall hasn't gotten in trouble since his Denver days, right? No, he just misses the playoffs every year which hopefully will continue.
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evilweasel posted:No, they rely on "we'll give you half the money the other guys are offering, but we'll give you a serious shot at a super bowl ring" to underpay everyone and surround Brady with better talent than they should be able to afford. It's just that they focus more on a broad level of talent than individual superstars (besides Brady and Gronk, and Gronk is exactly why they're sort of wary of big spending on one guy: a single injury means a lot of your investment is gone for that year). They're also less concerned about having an OMG BEST EVER team this year, than they are with having very good teams every year, over and over. They repeatedly do things that theoretically make them worse in the short term (with "worse" still meaning "totally making the playoffs") if it puts them in a better long-term position in terms of cap space/draft picks/whatever. There was no justifying moving Jones and Collins if you only looked at what it did to the 2016 team, for instance, but now they have a 5th trophy and $60 million in cap space so whelp. a new study bible! posted:I want to make a joke about how Marshall will be a positive influence on ODBJ's temperament, but Marshall hasn't gotten in trouble since his Denver days, right? He supposedly had some locker room issues with the Jets last season, but that team was in complete meltdown anyway so I don't know that I'd make much of it. mcmagic posted:No, he just misses the playoffs every year which hopefully will continue. Because pinning the Jets missing the playoffs on Marshall totally makes sense lol.
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Can I be hopeful that Pryor remains in Cleveland now that the Steelers said thanks/no thanks and Philly and NYG have signed receivers? That is 3 of the 5 teams that were linked with him.
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Actually they were a dropped TD by him away from making the playoffs in 2015.
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sean10mm posted:He supposedly had some locker room issues with the Jets last season, but that team was in complete meltdown anyway so I don't know that I'd make much of it. There was something else that happened around the end of his time in Miami, I remember the trade making a lot more sense for some reason or other.
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mcmagic posted:Actually they were a dropped TD by him away from making the playoffs in 2015. Fitz threw three picks in the fourth quarter.
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^^^  mcmagic posted:Actually they were a dropped TD by him away from making the playoffs in 2015. Do you mean the Buffalo game where Fitzpatrick threw 3 picks and had a passer rating of like 43, and Marshall had 126 yards and a touchdown?
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fsif posted:Fitz threw three picks in the fourth quarter. maybe marshall should have been catching those balls instead of the other team, hmm????????
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sean10mm posted:Do you mean the Buffalo game where Fitzpatrick threw 3 picks and had a passer rating of like 43, and Marshall had 126 yards and a touchdown? If he doesn't drop a TD it's a completely different game and the Jets probably win easily and don't have to throw the ball so much trying to come back in the 4th quarter. He was terrific for the Jets that season but that drop did in fact, happen.
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mcmagic posted:If he doesn't drop a TD it's a completely different game and the Jets probably win easily and don't have to throw the ball so much trying to come back in the 4th quarter. He was terrific for the Jets that season but that drop did in fact, happen. Yeah, being down by 2 whole points at the end of the 3rd really forces you to abandon the run, I'm sure. Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:This also happened in fact: Yeah, that's still hilarious. 
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sean10mm posted:Yeah, being down by 2 whole points at the end of the 3rd really forces you to abandon the run, I'm sure. They should've been up 5.
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Not surprised by that at all. I could see a team willing to pay $5m and hoping, but then the stuff from his camp was like he was expecting a multi-year deal at $10m+ and you guys know he's 32 right? Here's the list of 32+ y/o running backs to rush for 1200 yards: John Riggins '83 - 1347, at 3.59 YPC Walter Payton '86 - 1333, at 4.15 YPC John Riggins '84 - 1239 at 3.79 YPC So 3 times, over 30 years ago, and two of them you wouldn't even really want. You can add another like 8 guys who did 1000+ yards, but most of those years are definitely not worth $10m. Also, the successful older backs tended to be good receivers, and Adrian is not much of a receiver.
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You have to parse what he's actually saying. That probably means something like a $10m signing bonus and a $6m base salary in year one on what's realistically a 3 year deal, so ~$9m cap hit.
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I feel even better about the Marshall contract. Are you able to structure deals where you can make 16m, 8m, 8m over 3 years as an example? I know SF is flush with cash but are there limits to increases/decreases in AAV like the NBA?
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Kalli posted:Not surprised by that at all. I could see a team willing to pay $5m and hoping, but then the stuff from his camp was like he was expecting a multi-year deal at $10m+ and you guys know he's 32 right? I suppose on the bright side he hasn't been used a whole lot the last few years, but the most successful guy I can think of like that was Marcus Allen and he never ran for more than 900 yards after he was 32, with 207 being his highest carry year. He did get 46 TDs after that though, which is pretty impressive. Curtis Martin ran for almost 1700 yards at 31 (a career high even) but then retired after putting up 735 yards in his 32 year old season.
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Kalli posted:You have to parse what he's actually saying. Oh ok, good. This will bode well then.
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