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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition?
This poll is closed.
Jeremy Corbyn 95 18.63%
Dennis Skinner 53 10.39%
Angus Robertson 20 3.92%
Tim Farron 9 1.76%
Paul Ukips 7 1.37%
Robot Lenin 105 20.59%
Tony Blair 28 5.49%
Pissflaps 193 37.84%
Total: 510 votes
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Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Shes asking for anime and manga to be banned, so I wouldn't say shes stupid at all.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Rookoo posted:

Watched a Stacey Dooley programme the other night. I know it's BBC3, but she's not very bright is she?

She recently went over to Japan to demand Anime be banned, asking a popular manga author "Why don’t you Japanese people follow what the UK does?"

To which he replied: "Why don’t you British people follow Japan, since we’re more civilized, and have lower crime rate than the UK?"

Given that that interview didn't show up in the documentary (at least, the 55-minute version on the BBC website), and we only have the anime guy's word on how it turned out (as translated by an anime fansite), I'd be a little hesitant to rush to any judgements here.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Don't need to ban anime. Just all you posting about it

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Pochoclo posted:

I don't know if that's such a good burn though, I definitely wouldn't want to live in Japan - their workaholic culture is too extreme for my taste. They need to relax.

But what if they relax by watching anime? Better they work themselves into an early grave than that.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/839528123284733955

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

forkboy84 posted:

But what if they relax by watching anime? Better they work themselves into an early grave than that.

Pervertedness in anime is a direct result of the USA heavily censoring porn in Japan, basically.

Can you imagine what Japan might next create if anime is banned?

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
https://twitter.com/officialbwfc/status/839170870480351242

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
more forecasts for the forecast throne

https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/839522994129088512

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

:stoke:

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010

Best idea is to get a raise if you can

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."


Hell yeahs, let's get that 'wages at revolutionary stagnation' level going!

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

So the national insurance rise has gone down like a lead balloon, what with hitting middle earning self employed people hardest. Pleasantly surprised to see that the tax free dividend allowance is being cut though.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Rookoo posted:

Watched a Stacey Dooley programme the other night. I know it's BBC3, but she's not very bright is she?

She recently went over to Japan to demand Anime be banned, asking a popular manga author "Why don’t you Japanese people follow what the UK does?"

To which he replied: "Why don’t you British people follow Japan, since we’re more civilized, and have lower crime rate than the UK?"

Stacey Dooley is made entirely of good intentions and zero analysis but that still makes her programmes more bearable than most of the shite on TV. Reggie Yates though, now there's an unexpected gem of a documentary maker.

The Japan stuff was odd though. They're just totally cool with paedos over there apparently who knew

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

jabby posted:

So the national insurance rise has gone down like a lead balloon, what with hitting middle earning self employed people hardest. Pleasantly surprised to see that the tax free dividend allowance is being cut though.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, NI is the worst excuse for a "tax" that anyone has ever implemented and if the Tories even came even vaguely close to practicing what they preached they'd scrap the whole thing and replace it with literally any other tax. Even VAT is less of a fuckup.

Also gg Phil in picking a fight with a class of taxpayers that includes just about every big-name journalist in the country.

Manic_Misanthrope
Jul 1, 2010


Massive proposed cut to Capital Gains tax as well. Great for people with more than one house, utter arse for people with 0

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Manic_Misanthrope posted:

Massive proposed cut to Capital Gains tax as well. Great for people with more than one house, utter arse for people with 0
*in incredibly specious tory voice* actually that means houses will be cheaper so it helps you a lot

Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Its bollocks NI innit, I fail to understand why it just cant be ditched entirely. I suppose people just like seeing it in their wage slips or something and think 'ooh i just paid into me pension'

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Sorry if this sounds ignorant but isn't NI basically the equivalent of paying for health insurance in other countries?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Pochoclo posted:

Sorry if this sounds ignorant but isn't NI basically the equivalent of paying for health insurance in other countries?

It's a tax, nominally it's supposed to pay for pensions and the NHS and poo poo but they don't collect it in separate bags and cart it off to the local post office/hospital. It goes to HMRC and is collected the same way other taxes are, it just doesn't follow any of the rules of other taxes.

Paxman
Feb 7, 2010

The press have largely decided that the NI change is bad and the Budget is bad.

Paxman
Feb 7, 2010

Daily Mail says no

https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/839540530983895040

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH
NI is used to trick people into thinking higher earners pay a lot more tax than them on any extra money they earn.

Anyone earning around the average wage will be paying a marginal rate of 32% (20% Income and 12% NI, +9% if they have a student loan too) and anyone in the higher rate pays 42% marginally (40% income and 2% NI). Because people only (and barely) understand how income tax works people think that you pay twice as much tax when you earn a lot of money, instead of less than a third more because half the income tax increase is offset by the NI reduction when you hit the higher rate.

It's a ridiculous scam and since the post-2012 student loan settlement makes it essentially impossible for the vast majority of people to pay off their student loans it means that the difference between normal and higher rate income tax payer's marginal rate is incredibly small - 41% vs 51% marginal rates for student loan holders.

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/08/pret-a-manger-one-in-50-job-applicants-british-brexit

I don't even know what to make of this. Is this real?

If it is true, then the only reason it is true is because companies have fully manipulated the system in order to reach this point. I was once talking to a hiring manager at Costa, several years ago, and they told me that it was their unofficial policy to disregard applications by students and British nationals if there were reasonable candidates from lower income European countries because their data showed that people from Lithuania and so on would stay in the role for many years, saving them training costs and the costs of rehiring new staff. The idea of working in a coffee shop as "student" work was something they were keen to distance themselves from, pushing the idea that a "barista" was a real long-term job, because by lowering their workforce turnover they could massively increase their bottom line.

It was a depressing conversation and I remember it every time I get a coffee in one of those chains.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Paxman posted:

The press have largely decided that the NI change is bad and the Budget is bad.

It's also a good opportunity to see Labour, the Lib Dems and the SNP all on the news attacking the Tories for a change.

The last budget was the last time Labour closed significant ground. Hopefully we see something to that effect and Labour don't find a way to gently caress it up.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

:swoon: I can't get enough of are Dan :swoon:

Jeza posted:

If it is true, then the only reason it is true is because companies have fully manipulated the system in order to reach this point. I was once talking to a hiring manager at Costa, several years ago, and they told me that it was their unofficial policy to disregard applications by students and British nationals if there were reasonable candidates from lower income European countries because their data showed that people from Lithuania and so on would stay in the role for many years, saving them training costs and the costs of rehiring new staff.

Well, yes, this is a roundabout way of describing the main driving force behind the Leave vote, it's by no means a unique circumstance.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Jeza posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/08/pret-a-manger-one-in-50-job-applicants-british-brexit

I don't even know what to make of this. Is this real?

If it is true, then the only reason it is true is because companies have fully manipulated the system in order to reach this point. I was once talking to a hiring manager at Costa, several years ago, and they told me that it was their unofficial policy to disregard applications by students and British nationals if there were reasonable candidates from lower income European countries because their data showed that people from Lithuania and so on would stay in the role for many years, saving them training costs and the costs of rehiring new staff. The idea of working in a coffee shop as "student" work was something they were keen to distance themselves from, pushing the idea that a "barista" was a real long-term job, because by lowering their workforce turnover they could massively increase their bottom line.

It was a depressing conversation and I remember it every time I get a coffee in one of those chains.

Students shouldn't be so hard up that they have to work alongside studying and there's nothing wrong with companies wanting to employ people who aren't going to gently caress off at the first chance. But I somehow doubt the savings from staff churn are passed on in the form of higher wages thus making it a reasonable prospect for relatively unskilled people in the long term, which would obviously be the right thing to do.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

HJB posted:

Well, yes, this is a roundabout way of describing the main driving force behind the Leave vote, it's by no means a unique circumstance.

You claiming the Leave vote was fully informed individuals voting rationally?

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Paxman posted:

The press have largely decided that the NI change is bad and the Budget is bad.
They're right.

Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Jeza posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/08/pret-a-manger-one-in-50-job-applicants-british-brexit

I don't even know what to make of this. Is this real?

If it is true, then the only reason it is true is because companies have fully manipulated the system in order to reach this point. I was once talking to a hiring manager at Costa, several years ago, and they told me that it was their unofficial policy to disregard applications by students and British nationals if there were reasonable candidates from lower income European countries because their data showed that people from Lithuania and so on would stay in the role for many years, saving them training costs and the costs of rehiring new staff. The idea of working in a coffee shop as "student" work was something they were keen to distance themselves from, pushing the idea that a "barista" was a real long-term job, because by lowering their workforce turnover they could massively increase their bottom line.

It was a depressing conversation and I remember it every time I get a coffee in one of those chains.
So in summery people don't want to do lovely service sector job with no prospects, heavens hold the front page ...

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Seaside Loafer posted:

Its bollocks NI innit, I fail to understand why it just cant be ditched entirely. I suppose people just like seeing it in their wage slips or something and think 'ooh i just paid into me pension'
It's tied into entitlement for non-savings dependent JSA and so on but yes I agree it is basically a waste of time. Scary number to stick on taxes if you're ditching NI but want to retain the income, though.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


It does seem like it depends on their definition of "British". I assume it's "UK born and/or identifies as white british", as even with 65% of the staff being from the EU there's no way they'd get work visas for the other 30%.

It's hard to overstate exactly how unbelievably onerous the tier 2 visa requirements are. No way you are hiring food service staff through that.

Honestly seems more like a comment on the sort of jobs many in the minority communities in the UK have to take, because they wouldn't be considered the same as a British person. As a reminder when BBC sent identical CVs with a British and non-British name, the British one got over 4 times as many callbacks, and at higher proposed salaries too. And that wasn't very long ago either.

E: yeah it is "british-born" as per the Daily Mail article about it

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Mar 8, 2017

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Jeza posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/08/pret-a-manger-one-in-50-job-applicants-british-brexit

I don't even know what to make of this. Is this real?

If it is true, then the only reason it is true is because companies have fully manipulated the system in order to reach this point. I was once talking to a hiring manager at Costa, several years ago, and they told me that it was their unofficial policy to disregard applications by students and British nationals if there were reasonable candidates from lower income European countries because their data showed that people from Lithuania and so on would stay in the role for many years, saving them training costs and the costs of rehiring new staff. The idea of working in a coffee shop as "student" work was something they were keen to distance themselves from, pushing the idea that a "barista" was a real long-term job, because by lowering their workforce turnover they could massively increase their bottom line.

It was a depressing conversation and I remember it every time I get a coffee in one of those chains.

That kind of thing really only applies to the absolute lowest paid jobs.

With skilled jobs, there's a very real shortage of capable people and EU nationals are an absolute necessity. I can assure you, for example, that there is a massive shortage of software developers even with rampant hiring of EU and non-EU nationals alike, and your nationality doesn't factor at all into your paycheck. In fact, from all the people I've worked with in the UK, migrants have always been paid more than British nationals because most British nationals I've worked with have been a lot more complacent and more interested in "cushy" jobs, so they tend to "shop around" less, and therefore earn less.

Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

jBrereton posted:

It's tied into entitlement for non-savings dependent JSA and so on but yes I agree it is basically a waste of time. Scary number to stick on taxes if you're ditching NI but want to retain the income, though.
That is true for JSA actually, forgot about that, ive been on it a couple of times and they treat you quite nicely while you are still claiming your entitlement, the moment that's over they go full on cunty. Universal Credit on the other hand just starts off cunty and remains that way.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

quote:

Wareham said she did not think pay was a factor – even in London where the starting package of £16,000 a year would barely be enough to cover a worker’s rent.

She said staff can earn “really good money” with pay, including bonuses, rising to £40,000 to £45,000 “within a few years” of joining.

Those are some amazing sandwiches

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

jBrereton posted:

It's tied into entitlement for non-savings dependent JSA and so on but yes I agree it is basically a waste of time. Scary number to stick on taxes if you're ditching NI but want to retain the income, though.

Chuck it on Corporation Tax instead. If the Tories are all for small business this is an absolute no-brainer - saves a shitload of paperwork, and means taxes are only paid on profits not on headcount. It would be the biggest boost to small businesses and sole traders since the 80s, Of course that would then require them to actually enforce Corporation Tax on their largest donors the largest and most dynamic job-creators so welp.

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.

Seaside Loafer posted:

So in summery people don't want to do lovely service sector job with no prospects, heavens hold the front page ...

That's not really the "summery" at all. I was simply depressed at how server sector employers engineered a system where they rely on EU labour and are blaming the situation on UK nationals thinking themselves too good to work those jobs, whereas in fact it seems like these companies have specifically set up the situation to favour EU nationals over UK nationals because it's more cost effective for them to hire less itinerant workers.

I find it staggeringly unlikely that in a country that is almost completely composed of British nationals that only 1/50 people applying to work in places like Pret are British. Impossible in fact. Impossible - unless they have pushed a system to all but eliminate British workers from the job, and are hiring through schemes only advertised abroad.

Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Jeza posted:

That's not really the "summery" at all. I was simply depressed at how server sector employers engineered a system where they rely on EU labour and are blaming the situation on UK nationals thinking themselves too good to work those jobs, whereas in fact it seems like these companies have specifically set up the situation to favour EU nationals over UK nationals because it's more cost effective for them to hire less itinerant workers.

I find it staggeringly unlikely that in a country that is almost completely composed of British nationals that only 1/50 people applying to work in places like Pret are British. Impossible in fact. Impossible - unless they have pushed a system to all but eliminate British workers from the job, and are hiring through schemes only advertised abroad.
Well my take on it is that only desperate people with no other options would take them and that would include the migrant labor. But I think we are agreeing basically unless i've missed the point again?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Seaside Loafer posted:

So in summery people don't want to do lovely service sector job with no prospects, heavens hold the front page ...
Maybe they should make the service sector jobs good jobs with dignity and fair wages and then people will want to do them.

What they will actually do is keep them lovely and fill them with workfare staff.

:capitalism:

Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Guavanaut posted:

Maybe they should make the service sector jobs good jobs with dignity and fair wages and then people will want to do them.

What they will actually do is keep them lovely and fill them with workfare staff.

:capitalism:
Preach it brother.

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Gorn Myson posted:

Shes asking for anime and manga to be banned, so I wouldn't say shes stupid at all.

Hot take.

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