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MMF Freeway posted:Do you have a lot of +flat phys damage on gear? Abyssus, steel rings, etc. I haven't statted it out with a lot of gear -- the original impulse was to use a Dervish I scored off a divination card turn-in, so the tree is aggressively built towards physical damage to begin with, using Facebreakers once the Dervish effect manifests. According to the wiki, Ice Crash can be used unarmed, but it's still something like a 92% damage drop (15K->1.1K), which made me wonder how Facebreakers-only builds manage.
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palecur posted:I haven't statted it out with a lot of gear -- the original impulse was to use a Dervish I scored off a divination card turn-in, so the tree is aggressively built towards physical damage to begin with, using Facebreakers once the Dervish effect manifests. According to the wiki, Ice Crash can be used unarmed, but it's still something like a 92% damage drop (15K->1.1K), which made me wonder how Facebreakers-only builds manage. Usually your damage comes from the flat damage of your weapon scaled with the % modifiers of your passives/gems. Facebreaker's gimmick is it gives you a shitload of % increased damage, but very little base damage to be scaled (since no weapon). You have to compensate for this with flat damage on other pieces of gear to make the deeps.
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Normal builds have like 400 base damage boosted by like 500% increased damage and 3x in more multipliers. Facebreakers themselves have like 2 base damage boosted by 500% increased damage and 30x in more multipliers. If you ignore all your other gear that gives flat base damage, then it's obvious why Facebreakers don't do any damage.
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queeb posted:flame blast crit prolif has been really good so far as well. Cheap too. just need a hysteria essence and a 6s staff, doesnt need to be linked. Can confirm, prolif flame blast elementalist is fun as hell. I went with a Doryani's as opposed to the staff setup. Currently facerolling T10-11 maps. At this point, I am considering either buying Astramentis and respeccing into CwC Whispering Ice or buying a pair of HoWA's and starting a spectral throw character.
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Thanks! That's helping me understand what's going on.
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palecur posted:I'm no kind of expert, but most folks recommend against building 123-point trees, because you aren't likely to get there. I tend to stick to around 91-95. The main thing I noticed on quick glance was no jewel sockets, which seems like an oversight. Even rando jewels can get pretty tasty, never mind specific uniques like Overwhelming Odds (Cleave grants Fortify on hit and 3% increased AoE per nearby enemy) or Might & Influence (off-hand deals splash damage, chance of main-hand dealing 2x damage). 115% to max life seems lowish -- I like 150, and most folks here strenuously advocate for 200, which I don't really see but like I said I'm no kind of expert, so I'd defer to that consensus. Thanks! I shortened my poo poo to 90 points and took into account what I've already built-up at level 47, and I need a few more orbs of regret  That POEURL link is timing out on me, but here's what I come up with. I suppose 3 extra points somewhere would help; I was planning on taking the extra passive point for each of the bandits. edit: nevermind, I got the POEURL to work by taking off the https
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Goa Tse-tung posted:Zerker BV fits nicely imo Went BV last league, so I wanted to try something new. queeb posted:flame blast crit prolif has been really good so far as well. Cheap too. just need a hysteria essence and a 6s staff, doesnt need to be linked. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1744618 this the build your talking about? Looks like it's what I'm looking for, but one question. Why does everyone refer to this as "pizza"? Is it just because you're forming a big red circle on the ground?
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scuz posted:I was planning on taking the extra passive point for each of the bandits. I used to do that too, but for some builds the alternative rewards are better than what you could spend the point on. I almost always go for the flat +10% to all resists, so I don't have to fret as much about gear resists, but that's just me being lazy; look around the tree for nodes that are "10% to all elemental resists" and notice how not-common they are. For an axeperson, either 16% increased physical damage or 8% increased attack speed are good, and again not super common or available as nodes on the tree. I straight-up don't understand charges; charges and flasks are PoE's Deep Mojo in that theoretically you can go all-out on their mechanics and unlock Real Ultimate Power (lots of folks swear blind by Pathfinder's flask enablement, which I find the least exciting Ascension class ever) but it is more work than I care to put in. Charges, in particular, seem cool but their ephemerality and trickiness of generation means you kind of have to structure obsessively around them from the start if you're going to bother, so for Merciless bandits I just go for the extra skill point. edit: here's the longform link since poeurl seems to be down/dead. palecur fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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So I didn't get to play HoWA during breach but got one rolling now. It's pretty much as stupid as I've heard. The only thing that's really difficult is getting enough ES to feel safe. When I played WI last league I started late enough that high ES chests were pretty cheap. Not needing to link and colour was of course a plus.  Also, the combination of the new WED nodes and unique flask is...interesting... Osci fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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interrodactyl posted:reposting since it gost lost in the noise of the last page: From last page, but last league I ran a warchief chieftain and imo it completely trivializes uber lab (and also most guardians). Tukohama + Hinekora means that Izaro will spend a lot of time trying to kill your tanky totems, so you just sit back and wait for those keys to drop.
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palecur posted:I'm no kind of expert, but most folks recommend against building 123-point trees, because you aren't likely to get there. not with that attitude
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Esoteric Scientist posted:From last page, but last league I ran a warchief chieftain and imo it completely trivializes uber lab (and also most guardians). Tukohama + Hinekora means that Izaro will spend a lot of time trying to kill your tanky totems, so you just sit back and wait for those keys to drop. how were the chieftain nerfs? do they matter at all for uber lab farming?
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Duct Tape posted:Went BV last league, so I wanted to try something new. i believe hes talking about https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1783448/page/1
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Awesome! posted:i believe hes talking about https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1783448/page/1 Ahh, I thought he was also referring to the pizza build, not a different one. These both look good.
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palecur posted:So what's the deal with Facebreaker builds? I threw together a physical damage focused tree with 'breakers in Path of Building and the Ice Crash damage numbers are really, really sad. Is there a gimmick to it I'm missing? This (charname PunchingDrunkard) is my Facebreaker character from last season, was great fun: https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/xiani/characters I used shield charge for the main damage skill, 'cause it's fast & crazy...until you face your nemesis, the small rock! As someone else pointed out, flat phys damage is what you need. And the steel rings for that are what'll cost you - ideally you want 'em crafted with a deafening essence of contempt as well, which ain't cheap when you keep rolling crap for the other stats.
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Are there still guild slots open? Could use an invite as dockam.
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scuz posted:Hi thread, long-time-ago player, first-time poster. Looking for some feedback on my berserker build idea, trying for dual-wield axes using dual-strike/cleave/frenzy/life-gain-on-hit. I have no idea what I'm doing, clearly. I just wanna chop heads and bathe in blood IS THAT SO HARD?! As others said, not enough life, here's a tree I made that gets 187% life, 3 jewel slots and still a bunch of damage/attack speed (which seemed to be your goal) mostly by rerouting and getting rid of some useless nodes. Also got Resolute Technique because you aren't going for crit and you won't have to worry about accuracy and also picks up the good life leech nodes. http://poeplanner.com/AAYAAPchAAB5A...OoQ-F8AAAAAAA==
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stanislaus posted:Are there still guild slots open? Could use an invite as dockam. its full.
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Anyone know why PoE Planner would list my required level as 63 when my current level is 66, but it matches my total passive points spent? Links for reference http://poeplanner.com/AAYAALUVFABY-...JJuvFYAAAAAAA== https://www.pathofexile.com/passive...4jwH_Fs-Tf53frS
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BitterAvatar posted:Anyone know why PoE Planner would list my required level as 63 when my current level is 66, but it matches my total passive points spent? Links for reference
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Trying Blade Vortex for the first time, can you really not move while it's charging up? It seems so annoying and unintuitive. I guess I'm just too used to Cyclone.
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Yeah I'm using it for the first time too. Mooched a Zana daily yesterday (and then finding her 5 times in a row in my own maps after not seeing her once, natch) and I was embarrassed by how much slower I was going than the goons I partied with. I think I'm not using my movement skill right. It's flame dash. Should I be shift clicking it or something? It never seems to fire, I think because the range is short so my witch walks to within range but I have clicked something else by then. Anyways my mo is to kill a pack, flesh offering, zip to the next one, and build up 5 charges or so, popping my witchbrew and atziri's and mowing things down, rinse and repeat. I really need to stop picking things up as that is more inefficient than usual when you need to wind yourself back up. I think next league I will make a vaal spark character cuz he just flew around.
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Can anyone help me price this thing on SC Legacy? Rarity: Rare Vengeance Whorl Ruby Ring -------- Requirements: Level: 48 -------- Item Level: 73 -------- +27% to Fire Resistance -------- 35% increased Elemental Damage with Weapons 34% increased Mana Regeneration Rate +37% to Fire Resistance +41% to Cold Resistance High T2 WED and 2 T3 resists on an implicit resist ring has gotta be worth something, I don't have my masters high enough to craft mana on it, exalt, then craft the mana into something else and I don't know what it's worth without doing that, but it can get both flat damage and either life or ES.
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What's the advantage of running CwC Firestorm on SR as opposed to just running SR? Seems like you'd get more damage out of just SR with those gem slots (and the burning damage nodes out by Avatar of Fire) So far my SR MoM inquisitor guy is doing well but he's only 41ish, no idea yet if it's gonna hold up
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Guys whats a goon approved tutorial on how to sell things on poe.trade? I got a 35% Rigwald's Curse and those sell for 18c  Finally making some moneyyyyyy.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Without clicking links, check your bandit rewards on the planner. Bandit rewards are accurate, and if changed would only make the difference in levels greater.
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Ultima66 posted:Normal builds have like 400 base damage boosted by like 500% increased damage and 3x in more multipliers. Yeah. Let's calculate all the options of flat damage Helmet slot: Deidbellow: 15p Bringer of Rain: 25p Abyssus: 50p Amulet slot: Flaring prefix: 20.5p max 2x Ring: Annealed prefix steel rings: 19.5p max Shield: Great Old One's Ward: 16p Haku craft: 5.5p Belt: Meginord's Girdle: 10p So you can theoretically get a maximum of 135.5 flat physical damage with max rolls on every slot (though that's not really realistic, you usually need to sacrifice some uniques/flat prefix in order to relieve suffix pressure for resists). Multiply that by 9 for a max roll non-legacy facebreakers, and you realize: you effectively have a weapon that deals 1219.5 physical damage. This is the appeal of facebreakers. And if you're insane, you can go crit with facebreakers. I put one together a few leagues ago, had to also sacrifice for suffixes with accuracy, and I calculate that I still had a 855 physical damage weapon. Phobophilia fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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BitterAvatar posted:Bandit rewards are accurate, and if changed would only make the difference in levels greater.
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Now I wanna abandon my character, get a cheap Facebreakers and punch faces again.  What's the favorite facebreaking skill anyway? Besides warchief totems, that is.
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Ciaphas posted:Now I wanna abandon my character, get a cheap Facebreakers and punch faces again. Shield Charge is probably the least terrible to actually use. Be aware that Ice Crash is kind of ruined by the fact that Weapon Ele Damage doesn't scale Facebreaker damage at all because you don't have a weapon. This includes sources from gear, tree, and the gem itself. No idea why it's like that.
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If they allowed EQ for facebreakers, it would be nigh perfect due to the slow attack speed.
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turboraton posted:Guys whats a goon approved tutorial on how to sell things on poe.trade? I got a 35% Rigwald's Curse and those sell for 18c i dont understand the question. if you know what its worth you put it up for sale at that price and wait for a whisper do you mean like actually how to sell something on poe.trade? you either need a premium stash tab that is set to public or the program people used to use....acquisition?
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Acquisition or Procurement will do it, but really the public premium tab is the easiest.
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Ultima66 posted:Shield Charge is probably the least terrible to actually use. Yeah I was looking at the list of skills that work and none of them except Cyclone and Warchief are all that appealing. Except Ice Crash but now that's ruined too 
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whypick1 posted:Acquisition or Procurement will do it, but really the public premium tab is the easiest. Are those making forum posts linking the items like all stores used to be? Or is there some slicker non-public-tab option for listing things it's using?
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Bugsy posted:Has 2.6.0d hit yet or not? Server going down in like 5 minutes from now to apply it, downtime ETA 10 minutes.
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JawnV6 posted:Are those making forum posts linking the items like all stores used to be? Or is there some slicker non-public-tab option for listing things it's using? No one cares or uses forum posts per se. It's just that for non-public-tab sales, those generated forum posts are scraped by the site that people do actually use, poe.trade So yes, it makes forum posts but that's just a means to an end, which is to get your items visible on that site.
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Ciaphas posted:Yeah I was looking at the list of skills that work and none of them except Cyclone and Warchief are all that appealing. Except Ice Crash but now that's ruined too
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