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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
| Total: | 510 votes | ||
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'Putin says hi, now what have you got to drink around here?' Cool, cool. Contextless first post of the page. Cool.
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he says he can't recall why he went there lmao
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Mar 9, 2017 16:49
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Baron Corbyn posted:Yeah, one of Osbourne's tactics was to build up to something incredibly lovely in the budget so that when they u-turned on it, people would be happy about that instead of mad at the bad poo poo. He usually had the good sense to do the u-turn before the budget so it'd get a good reaction for not doing the bad thing we thought he would. It;s a tactic that can only possibly work in the absence of an effective opposition. The fact it's working as well under Corbyn as it did under Milliband should be instructive to those who think the rot is only at the top.
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Mar 9, 2017 17:17
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Pochoclo posted:You'd think that Tories, of all people, would know just how much their voting base hates taxes. I think the Tories are genuinely worried about driving the country completely into the ground at this point, judging by the tax hike to pay for extra social care and that article about "blood in the streets". Unfortunately (for them) I think they have been consumed by their own hubris and bought into the idea that they could just keep on doing austerity and making themselves richer forever. Hopefully this is the chink in the armour that the media are now going to exploit.
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Mar 9, 2017 18:23
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They're probably just going to magnanimously row back on it, cut spending elsewhere and act like this is a good thing the public has asked for and they've delivered. They've been tying the tax and NI stuff to the idea that it's specifically paying for social care funding, so something in welfare is going to lose out
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Mar 9, 2017 18:39
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baka kaba posted:They're probably just going to magnanimously row back on it, cut spending elsewhere and act like this is a good thing the public has asked for and they've delivered. They've been tying the tax and NI stuff to the idea that it's specifically paying for social care funding, so something in welfare is going to lose out The issue is they're running out of things to cut that doesn't piss people off. If easy cuts were an option we wouldn't even be discussing tax rises.
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Mar 9, 2017 18:41
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We must fine the unemployed. 
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Mar 9, 2017 18:43
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Fans posted:The issue is they're running out of things to cut that doesn't piss people off. If easy cuts were an option we wouldn't even be discussing tax rises. Well that's sort of what I mean - this way they've 'tried' to avoid cuts by raising taxes, but now there's a public outcry and they can 'rethink' - and that way whatever they do, they can say that the public rejected tax rises as a way of raising revenue, and they're responding to that. It becomes less of a unilateral thing and makes doing bad poo poo a bit easier for them As well a lot of the criticism has been about them breaking a manifesto commitment (which feels like criticising someone's manners instead of what they're actually doing but whatever) about not raising taxes - which effectively changes the criticism from 'this disproportionately hits poorer people' to 'you can't raise any taxes', which is definitely an argument we don't want to be making. Also might also be why Labour weren't pressing that point too hard
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Mar 9, 2017 18:51
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MikeCrotch posted:I think the Tories are genuinely worried about driving the country completely into the ground Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Mar 9, 2017 18:51
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Just got a jury summons at the Old Bailey in May. Time to wait around and possibly be selected to dispense goon justice.
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Mar 9, 2017 18:51
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crispix posted:We must fine the unemployed. Wasn't this a thing? I remember something in this thread about fining rough sleepers
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Mar 9, 2017 18:54
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tax big issue sellers
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Mar 9, 2017 18:56
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That loving Farage has an even longer face than a certain popular fyad poster.
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Mar 9, 2017 18:58
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Jeza posted:Just got a jury summons at the Old Bailey in May. Time to wait around and possibly be selected to dispense goon justice. I bet jury deliberations are amazing these days
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Mar 9, 2017 19:04
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Pochoclo posted:Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I meant more in the sense that they're worried that if they don't share the wealth a bit better, people in masks are going to start sharing it for them. And yeah, I think they are really hitting the wall in terms of things to cut, particularly if the media actually starts calling them out on it for once.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:06
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Miftan posted:Wasn't this a thing? I remember something in this thread about fining rough sleepers IIRC there was talk of it happening in Belarus, or it was suggested by one of their officials. A quick look on Google on fining rough sleepers brings up more than one council seriously suggesting it, or considering it. I'm pretty sure the one posted in the thread had some quote from a real gently caress-you-got-mine arsehole about how they made the place look untidy or something. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 19:11
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Isn't that what pisspots are for? E: As in, PSPOs.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:13
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Throw unemployed people in prison and refuse to release them until they find full time work. In the mean time, they can improve their skills and their CV by working as forced labour on behalf of their privately owned prison. This should encourage these people to not be so bloody lazy, and to improve their lot in life.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:17
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't that what pisspots are for? Well it's what they end up being used as in any case.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:22
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't that what pisspots are for? Which sounds like a surefire route to selective enforcement and a street to prison pipeline for the homeless that is about 3x as expensive as just getting them a house and paying for their basic needs.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:25
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baka kaba posted:I bet jury deliberations are amazing these days not really. The two I was involved with certainly aren't anything like they're portrayed on TV and that's pretty much all I can say on the matter
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Mar 9, 2017 19:29
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:not really. The two I was involved with certainly aren't anything like they're portrayed on TV and that's pretty much all I can say on the matter I wasn't really thinking of TV, unless you mean Question Time But yeah I guess it depends on the case too 
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Mar 9, 2017 19:31
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MikeCrotch posted:I meant more in the sense that they're worried that if they don't share the wealth a bit better, people in masks are going to start sharing it for them. I heard this point put succinctly once: "Society is asset insurance for the rich, and they haven't been keeping up the payments". Pissflaps posted:Well, centralism also gave us three labour governments. That's great, if a Labour government is your ultimate goal rather than any kind of political ideology. I prefer to think of it as 'three Labour governments gave us centrism'.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:41
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baka kaba posted:I wasn't really thinking of TV, unless you mean Question Time It would be pretty funny if the jury's response to every case was "The two of 'em should knock their 'eads together and SORT IT AAAAAAAAAAHT"
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Mar 9, 2017 19:42
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baka kaba posted:As well a lot of the criticism has been about them breaking a manifesto commitment (which feels like criticising someone's manners instead of what they're actually doing but whatever) about not raising taxes - which effectively changes the criticism from 'this disproportionately hits poorer people' to 'you can't raise any taxes', which is definitely an argument we don't want to be making. Also might also be why Labour weren't pressing that point too hard This was my feeling too. Sure, Labour can criticise the Tories for breaking a manifesto promise, but is it worth it when it means you're also attacking them for raising taxes to pay for social spending?
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Mar 9, 2017 19:52
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baka kaba posted:I wasn't really thinking of TV, unless you mean Question Time Angry Thumb Man Juror: We're taking time out of our day and all the prosecution and defence are doing is arguing with each other, they should just find the criminals and lock 'em up. It's all gone soft. Sobbing Woman in Dock: When I voted Conservative to Ban This Sick Filth I didn't think they were going to come after me.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:53
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I'm not sure when you raise tax to pay for social spending you do it by raising it from the people who need it spending on them and cutting it from the people who don't.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:54
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lol https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/839863050194780160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Mar 9, 2017 19:59
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I worry sometimes about how thick some people are. There might be people that thick around me in day to day life. They might be operating heavy machinery, or carrying flammable liquids. They might be running the country.
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Mar 9, 2017 20:01
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they definitely are
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Mar 9, 2017 20:04
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Some of them might be posting in this very thread 
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Mar 9, 2017 20:07
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I'm dead thick and I'm allowed to vote and everything. If I wanted to I could go out and hire a tractor tomorrow and just drive it really slowly along the roads wearing wellies and a flatcap. I could drive to Carlisle if I wanted. Probably I'd wear trousers too because this is March in Scotland. But I wouldn't have to.
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Mar 9, 2017 20:07
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How I miss you sweet Ed https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/839848114517311488
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Mar 9, 2017 20:14
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Pissflaps posted:How I miss you sweet Ed he was great at winning general elections as labour leader its true
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Mar 9, 2017 20:24
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Jose posted:he was great at winning general elections as labour leader its true You have a point but compared to now it seems like a golden age for the Labour Party.
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Mar 9, 2017 20:28
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the grauniad have made a Corbyn CYOA quote:You awake in an ANCIENT FOREST CLEARING. You can see FIVE EXITS: to the NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, a HATCH IN THE BOTTOM OF THE FOREST FLOOR, SOMEHOW, and WEST. In the middle of the clearing stands JEREMY CORBYN. He looks like a substitute geography teacher resigned to the fact that he lost the attention of this Year 9 class.
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Mar 9, 2017 20:31
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Pissflaps posted:You have a point but compared to now it seems like a golden age for the Labour Party. Well the election before he was leader the Tories didn't have a majority
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Mar 9, 2017 20:33
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Oh, hey, heard people were looking for this: https://twitter.com/uklabour/status/839899370556428289 I can see why they're not playing this up quite as much as their other criticisms of the budget, though. Breaking manifesto pledges is bad, but the pledge in this case was both contrary to Labour's political stance and incredibly loving dumb - ditching it was one of Hammond's few sensible decisions this week, and not something Corbyn's crew can rag on him all that hard for.
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Mar 9, 2017 20:34
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Looke posted:the grauniad have made a Corbyn CYOA GET YE FLASK
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Mar 9, 2017 20:35
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Looke posted:the grauniad have made a Corbyn CYOA Go SOMEHOW
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