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Krustic posted:I think you may be confusing 2 things. How the EPA operates in theory vs reality which are different. The EPA likes to selectively enforce their rules on certain industries they don't like and look the other way if it is an industry they do like. They have become highly politicized and of course if you have enough money then the endangered lizards are suddenly no longer endangered. I have worked in multiple Green technology manufacturing operations and there is nothing green about them. I have seen things at these places that are bad for the environment and dangerous for workers and OSHA and the EPA is nowhere to be found because they are government funded. How is giving these people more funding and more regulations gonna help? It is part of a larger problem that many of our Goverment institutions have become highly politicized and highly corrupt. This is kind of what I believe. It's a government entity and as such, loving sucks. I don't know enough about the environmental impact of certain industries to argue in any good faith. It's hard to know what sources are unbiased.
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I was gonna come thread poo poo but the entire last page is way more stupid than anything I could come up with. Bravo guys
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quote:OSHA and the EPA is nowhere to be found because they are government funded. How is giving these people more funding and more regulations gonna help? Uhh is it because they are government funded or is it because thanks to years and years of GOP erosion of their budget and enforcement ability they are largely toothless organizations? like, what????? Let's just go back to the 1800s lads!!!!
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Blue Train posted:I was gonna come thread poo poo but the entire last page is way more stupid than anything I could come up with. Bravo guys
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Decreasing environmental regulations will not bring factories back, because it will still be cheaper to operate overseas where environmental regulations remain lax and, importantly, even if you get caught you can bribe your way out of it or just pretend it never happened. Keeping one or two factories in the US is not worth the cost of decreasing environmental regulation. Pollution creates costly problems--all this does is move the burden of dealing with pollution from the firm to the public and the government. Pollution has literal tangible dollar costs associated with its negative affects on the surrounding world, and someone has to pay them. Who do you want it to be, you? When you get cancer from the water you drink, who is going to pay for that? Who is going to pay to clean the local coastline so that fishing can continue? Who is going to replace the topsoil dusted with toxic factory byproducts? Do you know how much good, productive dirt costs?
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I know, it's always those heartless Republicans loving up the country. If only they didn't exist we would live in a utopia
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Moridin920 posted:Yeah and that was aaaalll because of fracking right? The most expensive form of oil extraction which is only economically viable when the price of oil is high? Idiot. fracking is profitable at 60 dollars a barrel
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Tiny Deer posted:Decreasing environmental regulations will not bring factories back, because it will still be cheaper to operate overseas where environmental regulations remain lax and, importantly, even if you get caught you can bribe your way out of it or just pretend it never happened. Think of all the hazmat removal jobs that will be created when it comes time to clean up all the new superfund sites
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:almost sounds like some sort of socialism, perhaps even... national socialism?? Woah, catchy!
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Mnoba posted:the US is now a leading exporter of oil which has created god knows how many jobs and low energy prices for families and that is somehow bad?  quote:22. United States $8.7 billion 1.1%
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:I know, it's always those heartless Republicans loving up the country. If only they didn't exist we would live in a utopia That's not what I said and you know it, also this has been the GOP strat for years now and it appears to be working great on you folks: Grover Norquist posted:I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub. ie: slash budget until it is no longer effective then your argument of "see? gov't is ineffective!" works better and you can privatize everything If things were ineffective solely bc "government" we wouldn't have a functioning society and if you think gov't is corrupt (it is) lol at the concept that a private company will be any better at all. Who do you think is pushing the money/corruption in the first place??? Gov't officials aren't just evil lol, their strings are being pulled and in an effort to stop that people want to just cut the middle man out and do whatever the string puller says? Cut the middle man out and appoint corporate interests directly to office I guess. That way they don't have to bribe anyone to get their poo poo done and corruption is gone yay! Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Krustic posted:I think you may be confusing 2 things. How the EPA operates in theory vs reality which are different. The EPA likes to selectively enforce their rules on certain industries they don't like and look the other way if it is an industry they do like. They have become highly politicized and of course if you have enough money then the endangered lizards are suddenly no longer endangered. I have worked in multiple Green technology manufacturing operations and there is nothing green about them. I have seen things at these places that are bad for the environment and dangerous for workers and OSHA and the EPA is nowhere to be found because they are government funded. How is giving these people more funding and more regulations gonna help? It is part of a larger problem that many of our Goverment institutions have become highly politicized and highly corrupt. "Nothing green about them." Yeah, sounds like you worked in a higher-tier industry than I...but, I know post-recession a handful of landscaping companies opened in my town, with generic names like "Greener Yard," or "Green Crew." One even had this gimmicky big lawnmower that apparently used only recycled fuel. They took pictures of it for promotional/advertising purposes and I'm pretty sure it just sits in their shop, they don't really have the infrastructure to do the "green fuel" in-house. So they mow peoples lawns and do hedges using the same fuel mixes and polluting two-stroke engines as everyone else. Turns out this notion of being "green" and saving the world has some cynical implications in the free market!
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Being "green" as an individual is meaningless because like 99.99% of the pollution is industrial. It's just a way to make you feel good about yourself while continuing engaging in the rampant consumerism that keeps those companies going and not having to really worry about it because "you're doing your part." I mean go for it if you want but you're having such a negligible impact it might as well be 0. quote:Turns out this notion of being "green" and saving the world has some cynical implications in the free market! Capitalism is unsustainable in its current form. This immigration crisis poo poo is a drop in the ocean compared to what is coming in the next decades. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Moridin920 posted:Being "green" as an individual is meaningless because like 99.99% of the pollution is industrial. Yeah a few firms closed up and they used the Green marketing to underdog their way into the industry. Now that they are more "established" and learning about all the bullshit costs that come with being a bigger company, the investment in green tech past superficial stuff is simply not happening. Obviously they aren't concentrating their pollution like a big factory or some sort of raw materials processor, but...it goes to how idealistic a lot of green rhetoric is. Good luck stopping the landscapers, lol.
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Moridin920 posted:Being "green" as an individual is meaningless because like 99.99% of the pollution is industrial.
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Moridin920 posted:Uhh is it because they are government funded or is it because thanks to years and years of GOP erosion of their budget and enforcement ability they are largely toothless organizations? When I used to work in the oilfield the EPA and OSHA was constantly visiting our rig and checking everything. My company wanted to frack in a certain area but the EPA would not allow them to due to endangered spieces in that area. The companies owner then made a "donation" to a charity and guess who was allowed to frack in that land? Fast forward to the last company I worked for. I never saw anyone from OSHA or the EPA there in the entire 2 years I worked for them and they were a large scale green startup. I can't post any details since I signed a NDA but it was a poo poo show. If the oilfield woulda tried to pull the poo poo these guys pulled they would be out of business and fined into oblivion or not if the company made enough profits to offset the fines. I agree that the environment should be protected but it doesn't seem like the EPA's sole motivation is protecting the environment anymore. I don't think more regulations and more funding is really gonna help a ton when mega corporations can buy their way out of anything while it can put a smaller companies completely under. In a way the EPA can stifle competition.
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Krustic posted:When I used to work in the oilfield the EPA and OSHA was constantly visiting our rig and checking everything. My company wanted to frack in a certain area but the EPA would not allow them to due to endangered spieces in that area. The companies owner then made a "donation" to a charity and guess who was allowed to frack in that land? Fast forward to the last company I worked for. I never saw anyone from OSHA or the EPA there in the entire 2 years I worked for them and they were a large scale green startup. I can't post any details since I signed a NDA but it was a poo poo show. If the oilfield woulda tried to pull the poo poo these guys pulled they would be out of business and fined into oblivion or not if the company made enough profits to offset the fines. I agree that the environment should be protected but it doesn't seem like the EPA's sole motivation is protecting the environment anymore. I don't think more regulations and more funding is really gonna help a ton when mega corporations can buy their way out of anything while it can put a smaller companies completely under. In a way the EPA can stifle competition. I don't think more funding and regulation will help until the corruption is rooted out, sure. Your primary complaint seems to be not that the EPA exists, but that it isn't effective in doing what its purpose is supposed to be and is just another political corruption poo poo show. Which is fair. I just disagree with the concept of "let's just repeal it entirely, free market will sort it out" which is what many people want to do. quote:I don't think more regulations and more funding is really gonna help a ton when mega corporations can buy their way out of anything while it can put a smaller companies completely under. So yeah that's fair sorry I jumped on you.
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Knight posted:Is it? Since when? meh producer not exporter, we'll be the exporter once we lead in producing
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:I know, it's always those heartless Republicans loving up the country. If only they didn't exist we would live in a utopia Yeah, now you're starting to get it.
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SBJ posted:Does everyone have Mordor She Wrote on ignore or something? No one is responding to his endless sick burns I know it's disheartening
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Mordor She Wrote posted:Yeah, now you're starting to get it. Empty quote if you think Mordor She Wrote owns a vagina hat
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Moridin920 posted:I don't think more funding and regulation will help until the corruption is rooted out, sure. Your primary complaint seems to be not that the EPA exists, but that it isn't effective in doing what its purpose is supposed to be and is just another political corruption poo poo show. Which is fair. Nah, you're cool. Yes that is what I was trying to suggest. I don't think it should or will be disbanded. I was originally responding to a bad Republican fantasy fiction writing Canadian know it all who will of course ignore my response cause he has no answer besides more government and regulation will fix everything and other idealistic naive progressive talking points.
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Mordor She Wrote posted:I know it's disheartening I'm only not responding bc I don't really disagree, fwiw
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Krustic posted:When I used to work in the oilfield the EPA and OSHA was constantly visiting our rig and checking everything. My company wanted to frack in a certain area but the EPA would not allow them to due to endangered spieces in that area. The companies owner then made a "donation" to a charity and guess who was allowed to frack in that land? Fast forward to the last company I worked for. I never saw anyone from OSHA or the EPA there in the entire 2 years I worked for them and they were a large scale green startup. I can't post any details since I signed a NDA but it was a poo poo show. If the oilfield woulda tried to pull the poo poo these guys pulled they would be out of business and fined into oblivion or not if the company made enough profits to offset the fines. I agree that the environment should be protected but it doesn't seem like the EPA's sole motivation is protecting the environment anymore. I don't think more regulations and more funding is really gonna help a ton when mega corporations can buy their way out of anything while it can put a smaller companies completely under. In a way the EPA can stifle competition. Conversely my job partly deals with consumer product safety and QA and you'd be absolutely astounded at the amount of poison that manufacturers try to sneak through. We're talking four-figure baubles or jewelry that can contain up to 250k ppm of lead, kids' pencil cases filled with hazardous phthalates, earrings full of heavy metal, fabric samples so dense with formaldehyde that if you handle it without gloves you feel like you just wiped your palms with poison ivy. Not to mention other neat wrinkles like car upholstery fabric that burns faster and fiercer than a $2 Hawaiian shirt because the vendor thought they could skimp on flameproofing treatments. Regulations and protections can be bloated and superfluous like anything else, but they're also vital and can form thriving industries in themselves. Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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I used to rent this house and one day a storm pushed over a tree, whose roots snapped a water main. I didn't have water for a month, except 1 faucet in the basement. The city couldn't get the Park Department (to cut the tree) to schedule with the Water Department (for the pipe). During that time, the water main gushed 24/7 into a sewer . For 20 something days the pipe just emptied water endlessly into that sewer. No amount of water I could conserve would ever amount to the water wasted for that month.
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SBJ posted:Empty quote if you think Mordor She Wrote owns a vagina hat
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SBJ posted:Empty quote if you think Mordor She Wrote owns a vagina hat That's his postin' hat
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SBJ posted:Empty quote if you think Mordor She Wrote owns a vagina hat I disagree. I think this person is a vagina hat.
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List of my posting crimes: might theoretically own a hat List of your posting crimes: supporting an orange retard.
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At around 1:10 this man's dick is clearly visible through his pants and it becomes very awkward when he's yelling at me
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a bone to pick posted:At around 1:10 this man's dick is clearly visible through his pants and it becomes very awkward when he's yelling at me The accent makes it even better.
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Regulations and protections can be bloated and superfluous like anything else, but they're also vital and can form thriving industries in themselves. [/quote] I agree but I think that the EPA could do a better job being more consistent and fair in their enforcement. I also don't think they will because nobody ever holds government officials accountable.Only a few people low on the totem pole get chopped when the poo poo hits the fan.. I don't think this has much to do with lack of funding or regulation. I was the QA technician where I worked responsible for testing the product in various processes, wastewater and exhaust. You would think I would have seen an EPA official at some point in my time there.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:The angle is that whatever regulations we do at home is actually encouraging China to go balls out in burning coal for fun Haha but you have to remember chinamen are exotic little creatures without any agency to comprehend concepts like "we are destroying our planet" on their own, they need our white men help to learn about the need for things like carbon debts etc (also this applies to India and their trademark shitriver) so please be less racist
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Moridin920 posted:Being "green" as an individual is meaningless because like 99.99% of the pollution is industrial. Meaningless poo poo gestures that do absolutely nothing but make you feel good about yourself is basically Democrat platform.txt sooo lol
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Moridin920 posted:lol what?? 
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Moridin920 posted:But alright even if the burning water is totally fake, what about the increase in earthquake frequency in fracking areas? It's either the fracking or wastewater disposal resulting from fracking causing this: Healthy mother earth gets fracked, pumped with massive shot of many chemicals, doesn't feel good and changes - EARTHQUAKES. Many such cases!
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Moridin920 posted:
is oklahoma a gently caress-you-got-mine shithole where companies can inadvertently destroy city infrastructure without repercussion, or have they been brought to heel by state?
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Moridin920 posted:You're really just illustrating the fundamental difference between right wing and left wing imo; the right wing seem to literally not care about anyone beyond their immediate circle of people and gently caress everyone else as long as their circle is being taken care of and provided for. Let me fix that. The correct saying is "worked for mine and earned it, gently caress you if you choose to not do the same" PS I am not gop.
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