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Crocoswine posted:Sure, but I've heard far too many people, in my actual day to day life, talk about how they didn't vote/voted third party/wrote in a "real liberal", so I don't think that 8% is entirely because of disenfranchisement. Lotta apathy and a lot of idealistic dumbasses, sadly. Two things 1) Their willingness to write in a non-Trump/Clinton candidate, while ultimately useless in this election, might suggest good things about millennials - opposition to our lovely parties, commitment to the belief that serious change is needed, open-mindedness, their being informed enough to understand why both candidates wouldn't improve their lives, etc. Obviously it would've been better for them not to hand Republicans control of the whole government, but voting third-party, writing in Bernie, etc doesn't suggest only bad things. 2) Have 18-29 year olds EVER been more likely to vote major party than 45-90 year olds? Are millennials actually any different in that regard from any other generation?
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Mr. Belding posted:Many more said and were repeatedly probated or harassed in D&D for "Hillary is struggling, I'm worried." Oh lord not a 6er
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wizard on a water slide posted:1) Their willingness to write in a non-Trump/Clinton candidate, while ultimately useless in this election, might suggest good things about millennials - opposition to our lovely parties, commitment to the belief that serious change is needed, open-mindedness, their being informed enough to understand why both candidates wouldn't improve their lives, etc. Obviously it would've been better for them not to hand Republicans control of the whole government, but voting third-party, writing in Bernie, etc doesn't suggest only bad things. actually it suggests the very self-centeredness that boomers are accused of. throwing vulnerable ppl under the bus to maintain your ideological purity bc you won't accept that politics is always going to be about compromises. altho ralph nader proves this is hardly unique to millennials. just frustrating that every generation has to see a crazy rear end in a top hat gently caress poo poo up firsthand before they take elections seriously
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The Brown Menace posted:i dont quite know what to make of boomers tbh if you ever get laid off they will have amnesia regarding the difference again, never forget that, their ignorance is in part willful
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wizard on a water slide posted:the strangest part of this like a lot of boomer stuff is how internally inconsistent it is we are not a generation that respected the utility of social sciences, aside from economics, of course
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HorseRenoir posted:https://twitter.com/Chris_arnade/status/839981897900003328 i don't care, no one noticed when i, a republican senator refused to vote for him, death is certain and we will all know this soon enough Lindsey O. Graham has issued a correction as of 07:23 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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90% of what is attributed to generation is actually an issue of racial divisions White Millennials voted for Trump by a comfortable margin. Pretty much the only subset of white people in modern history to ever not vote majority Republican were 18-29 in 2008 Every other division you care to find - educated, dumb as poo poo, government job, old, young, all of them - have always voted majority Republican The reason young people seem more liberal is because we're more diverse than the boomers were and our white bloc can't literally string up black people from trees and take Christmas card pictures in front of it to intimidate them into being inactive anymore (though voterID laws are making ground)
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:"boomers are constantly complaining about millennials" -- every millennial ever, complaining about boomers (i.e. their parents) gen x, the forgotten children
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You're pro-weed? Well guess what fucko so is your grandpa in all probability, it's just that when given the choice they prioritized other things the same way white Millennials just did on the same issue and will do forever
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Epic High Five posted:You're pro-weed? Well guess what fucko so is your grandpa in all probability, it's just that when given the choice they prioritized other things the same way white Millennials just did on the same issue and will do forever too true
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Epic High Five posted:You're pro-weed? Well guess what fucko so is your grandpa in all probability, it's just that when given the choice they prioritized other things the same way white Millennials just did on the same issue and will do forever hillary wasn't pro-weed at all and her husband put many many people in jail over exactly that with his tough on crime laws
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:so far, millennials have birthed a bumper crop of neo-nazis and the notion that political power can be obtained by not voting. the thought leaders of that bumper crop of neo-nazis are gen xers and boomers; they're a byproduct of the economic collapse that was set in motion decades ago, what happens when you have a generation of shiftless, underemployed, nihilistic, disenfranchised young men you're right that every generation has its issues, but it's far easier to analyze the successes and failures of boomers than millennials, because millennials are still in the process of developing a career and a politics in the context of boomers furiously hanging on to their jobs and the reins of political power in other words, the younger a generation is, the more fair it is to go "let's not pass judgment yet"
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:hillary wasn't pro-weed at all and her husband put many many people in jail over exactly that with his tough on crime laws lol yeah a lot of white young people voted for Trump on the assumption that "let's just continue Obama's approach" was somehow anti-weed despite seeing multiple states legalize it entirely. Surely they won't take *MY* weed away right? lmao. I guess if you never recognize that the whole point of it is to get free labor out of minorities and strip them of their ability to represent their interests by voting you probably could, if you squint just right, imagine that a Republican would ignore states legalizing or decriminalizing it lmao
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If progress were generational, we couldn't conceive, much less have, this conversation.
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Slamhound posted:If progress were generational, we couldn't conceive, much less have, this conversation. iirc, there's some good evidence that generational shifts play a big role in shifts in opinion on various subjects (medicine, etc)
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Yeah it's not really a big secret that's there's heavy institutional inertia towards keeping traditional ideas and practices that really only begins to get broken once all the old scientists/teachers/doctors/politicans/etc. start dying off and their younger colleagues with different ideas finally get a bigger say in things.
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Hodgepodge posted:iirc, there's some good evidence that generational shifts play a big role in shifts in opinion on various subjects (medicine, etc)
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Asimo posted:Yeah it's not really a big secret that's there's heavy institutional inertia towards keeping traditional ideas and practices that really only begins to get broken once all the old scientists/teachers/doctors/politicans/etc. start dying off and their younger colleagues with different ideas finally get a bigger say in things. since time immemorial, this has been the case, it's just i didn't expect my generation to gently caress up this much first there has got to be a historical rubric for a generation of fail sons to leave something besides a smoldering pit for their progeny, i just have yet to find it
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:actually it suggests the very self-centeredness that boomers are accused of. throwing vulnerable ppl under the bus to maintain your ideological purity bc you won't accept that politics is always going to be about compromises. altho ralph nader proves this is hardly unique to millennials. just frustrating that every generation has to see a crazy rear end in a top hat gently caress poo poo up firsthand before they take elections seriously Sanders WAS the compromise
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Business Gorillas posted:Sanders WAS the compromise lol, looks like sometimes in life you need to make more than one compromise! our president thanks you for your principled stand tho
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:lol, looks like sometimes in life you need to make more than one compromise! our president thanks you for your principled stand tho A lot if not the vast majority of Sanders die-hards voted Clinton.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:lol, looks like sometimes in life you need to make more than one compromise! hey now, you gotta be slow with that kind of thing, i mean the dems havent even made one compromise yet
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:lol, looks like sometimes in life you need to make more than one compromise! our president thanks you for your principled stand tho Donald Trump needed to happen. I say this as a brocialist who voted for Hillary. The absolute wrecking of the democrats that is happening now is much needed chemotherapy that will hopefully destroy the cancer of centrist clintonism and obsessive idpol. And if it doesn't work then we all die.
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The Brown Menace posted:hey now, you gotta be slow with that kind of thing, i mean the dems havent even made one compromise yet
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:A lot if not the vast majority of Sanders die-hards voted Clinton. "Both sides are the same/just as bad" sure didn't do wonders for turnout though
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Mr. Belding posted:Donald Trump needed to happen. I say this as a brocialist who voted for Hillary. The absolute wrecking of the democrats that is happening now is much needed chemotherapy that will hopefully destroy the cancer of centrist clintonism and obsessive idpol. And if it doesn't work then we all die. the same was said of gw bush 
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Mr. Belding posted:Donald Trump needed to happen. I say this as a brocialist who voted for Hillary. The absolute wrecking of the democrats that is happening now is much needed chemotherapy that will hopefully destroy the cancer of centrist clintonism and obsessive idpol. And if it doesn't work then we all die. How did a cracker barrel restaurant learn to use SA
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zegermans posted:How did a cracker barrel restaurant learn to use SA I too have come across many Cracker Barrels full of Hillary-votin' brocialists. Not saying I agree with him but your analogy makes no sense.
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Mr. Belding posted:Donald Trump needed to happen. I say this as a brocialist who voted for Hillary. The absolute wrecking of the democrats that is happening now is much needed chemotherapy that will hopefully destroy the cancer of centrist clintonism and obsessive idpol. And if it doesn't work then we all die. lol look at this idiot I remember people saying the same poo poo about Bush II
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:lol, looks like sometimes in life you need to make more than one compromise! our president thanks you for your principled stand tho Just forment a slice of the base whose bottom line is left enough and will abstain imo. Easy to screw around parties with minority blocs. The Brown Menace posted:hey now, you gotta be slow with that kind of thing, i mean the dems havent even made one compromise yet Clinton was the compromise. The compromised candidate. 
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Big Fat Iguana posted:lol look at this idiot dems did not develop a burgeoning socialist faction under bush ii.
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The Brown Menace posted:hey now, you gotta be slow with that kind of thing, i mean the dems havent even made one compromise yet lol, you're not compromising with "the dems" in the general election. you're compromising between the ideal and the realizable. the dems are compromising with voters in a country that elected donald loving trump just 8 years after the disaster of g w bush understand this basic fact: if a dem candidate loses a vote from a leftist, they lose a vote. if a dem loses a vote from a swing voter, they lose a vote and the republican gains a vote (typically). therefore the smart candidate will prioritize votes from centrists over votes from their own fringe base in a general election. this won't change under a 2 party system, and the 2 party system won't change under the system of voting enshrined in the US constitution. change has to happen within the party structure, and that's where we have our voice. bernie understood this-- he joined the democratic party to facilitate his run -- and he ran a really amazing campaign. he didn't win, but he sure as hell set the stage for next time around by proving how much support was out there for his politics. trump understood this, too. i know this is heresy, but a lot of poo poo that y'all take as evidence of democrats being corrupt and evil, i take as them judging a political situation and making what they believe is the best compromise available. they aren't necessarily right about the judgement-- sometimes they are frustratingly timid-- but that doesn't mean they're perfectly happy with what they got, either. (by the way, republicans compromise too, when they need to. so if you thought both parties were equally bad, but are at all surprised at how bad trump and the GOP is now with the presidency and congressional majorities, there's your explanation. just wait til they abolish the filibuster and have even more free reign!)
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:lol, you're not compromising with "the dems" in the general election. you're compromising between the ideal and the realizable. the dems are compromising with voters in a country that elected donald loving trump just 8 years after the disaster of g w bush shut up bitch Big Fat Iguana posted:lol look at this idiot this arguably worked (politically, obviously the actual consequences of letting a bunch of fascist neocons run the government for most of a decade were pretty bad) because Democrats won overwhelmingly in 08 and if they had been actual progressives instead of corrupt technocrats we'd be much better off for it today the bitcoin of weed has issued a correction as of 17:22 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Fullhouse posted:this arguably worked (politically, obviously the actual consequences of letting a bunch of fascist neocons run the government for most of a decade were pretty bad) because Democrats won overwhelmingly in 08 and if they had been actual progressives instead of corrupt technocrats we'd be much better off for it today hmm yes, the classical political strategy of "let your opponent win with a string of increasingly fascist crazy assholes", it never fails *proceeds to excuse the reason it failed last time, offers no ideas for preventing future failures* E: ill stop now, here's my offering of penitence  
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https://twitter.com/zumbanegrita2/status/839844521680711681 https://twitter.com/BobKendall10/status/834801229326929920 https://twitter.com/healthcoach365/status/834433455815553024
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