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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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LemonDrizzle posted:So BT's been forced to sell off Openreach to improve competition in broadband provision: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39228115 It won't. Telcos have gotten extremely good at splitting to avoid regulations over the last few decades, all over the world.
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LemonDrizzle posted:So BT's been forced to sell off Openreach to improve competition in broadband provision: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39228115 I think the trick with broadband is to always tell them that another company is offering you a better deal. My granny used to spend hours doing this and got so much free poo poo from people trying to keep her subscribed.
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Mar 10, 2017 18:59
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LemonDrizzle posted:They won't - i brainfarted and forgot that she made the comments on twitter rather than in her mail column. Got mixed up with the last time she got sued, I guess.
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Mar 10, 2017 19:03
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Seaside Loafer posted:hopefully it will bankrupt the bitch It won't 
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Mar 10, 2017 19:20
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LemonDrizzle posted:So BT's been forced to sell off Openreach to improve competition in broadband provision: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39228115 What you do is take all telecommunications services, be it cable TV, satellite TV, broadband, telephones, and bring it under state ownership, for the benefit of everybody in the country instead of some shareholders. Top stuff.
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Mar 10, 2017 19:32
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Pochoclo posted:At this point I'm going to assume you just have a massive hardon for latinos, that's why you keep bringing it up. Sorry, I'm not available. Odd for an economic migrant to rail against big money
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Mar 10, 2017 19:35
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Anyone else remember that weirdly well written and affecting article by Katie Hopkins about Hillsborough, that was like a bizarre cry for help in print form? That was loving weird.
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Mar 10, 2017 19:36
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Breath Ray posted:Odd for an economic migrant to rail against big money odd for al gore to be against carbon emissions when he himself is made of carbon
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Mar 10, 2017 19:40
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Coohoolin posted:odd for al gore to be against carbon emissions when he himself is made of carbon Want to know what I think you're made of?
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Mar 10, 2017 19:53
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Tristram Hunt is gone?! If only Jeremy could force all Labour MPs to step down and then stand in primaries before having new by elections for all of the seats to get a loyal, actually socialist party.
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Mar 10, 2017 19:55
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Interesting profile of Teresa May in the LRB: https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n06/david-runciman/do-your-homework It really emphasizes just how strongly she believes in sticking to her word and the tenacity with which she attempts to make good on promises that she feels it's her responsibility to keep: quote:In post, she soon developed a distinctive governing style. The point of the coalition was meant to be negotiation between the two parties to find positions both could live with. May didn’t do negotiation; in the words of Eric Pickles, one of her cabinet colleagues, she is not a ‘transactional’ politician. She takes a position and then she sticks to it, seeing it as a matter of principle that she delivers on what she has committed to. This doesn’t mean that she is a conviction politician. Often she arrives at a position reluctantly after much agonising – as home secretary she became notorious for being painfully slow to decide on matters over which she had personal authority. Many of the positions she adopts are ones she has inherited, seeing no option but to make good on other people’s promises. This has frequently brought her into conflict with the politicians from whom she inherited these commitments. By making fixed what her colleagues regarded as lines in the sand, she drove some of them mad. So she might not be a Brexit believer herself but Parliament agreed to respect the outcome of the EU vote; the electorate voted to leave and now she's going to ensure that they get Brexit, good and hard, no matter what the obstacles may be.  Also lol at George Osborne,who clearly had no idea that his previous casual, throwaway insults and obstruction of her goals had engendered such deep and bitter hatred towards him: quote:Within twenty minutes of her arrival in Number Ten, May had summoned Osborne to sack him. Accounts of this meeting differ. Osborne’s people say it was cordial. But May’s people, who include Fiona Hill, now safely back in the fold, let it be known that the new prime minister gave him a severe dressing-down, telling him he had overpromised and underdelivered on the economy. What is clear is that Osborne had little idea how much she loathed him. He had thought that their previous disputes were just part of the cut and thrust of high politics and easily put behind them. That’s precisely what she loathed about him. She hates the idea that politics is just a game, which is what she suspects the Cameroons have always believed. She dispatched Gove with equal relish, telling him she couldn’t stomach his betrayal of Boris Johnson in the leadership contest. In truth, this was the least of it: what she really despised was Gove’s long-standing habit of making it up as he went along.
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Mar 10, 2017 19:57
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Trumpenproletariat posted:Tristram Hunt is gone?! For this to work you have to win the byelections
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Mar 10, 2017 20:04
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Local Labour Councils are shits http://www.wimbledonguardian.co.uk/...n_/?ref=mr&lp=1 quote:The Wimbledon Labour Party has claimed it has been threatened with suspension unless members destroy 40,000 leaflets that criticised plans for a new secondary school in south Wimbledon.
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Mar 10, 2017 20:06
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What is it with trump voters and thinking they're socialist
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Mar 10, 2017 20:07
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Jose posted:What is it with trump voters and thinking they're socialist They omit "national"
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Mar 10, 2017 20:22
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Has anyone read this report? I thought it was pretty interesting.
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Mar 10, 2017 20:23
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Trumpenproletariat posted:Tristram Hunt is gone?!
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Mar 10, 2017 20:24
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LemonDrizzle posted:Sad! Why are people ending their posts like Trump tweets now? Is he someone we want to emulate? Also the row about Surrey council still isn't going away.. The Guardian posted:An analysis of new money announced in the budget shows that Surrey council, whose leader said he had secured a “gentleman’s agreement” on finance with the government, received twice as large a proportional funding increase as any other council in the country. Guys, can we stop talking about this? No one cares! Labour should definitely not draw attention to the Tories objectively being caught out as corrupt lying bastards.
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Mar 10, 2017 20:27
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LemonDrizzle posted:The need to actually win the resulting byelections notwithstanding, this strategy has a fatal flaw in that it requires jeremy to actually bother to attend the candidate selection committee meetings. Unfortunately, he likes his time off in lieu and so never quite seems to make it. Sad! It's not even winning the by-elections that's the problem for the Labour left - it's getting their candidates selected. I remember reading that the Copeland candidate they picked had previously been all over Twitter expressing pronounced distaste about Corbyn's historical connections with Gerry Adams Sinn Fein/IRA, for instance.
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Mar 10, 2017 20:32
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Wheat Loaf posted:Has anyone read this report? I thought it was pretty interesting. I have now. It seems like an accurate summary. Obviously a big issue for this thread is the fact that nobody really knows where Corbyn stands. Objectively I think he's after soft brexit but I really think there's been an issue with his message on the subject. This is something where I feel that he/the Labour pr machine are at fault.
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Mar 10, 2017 20:45
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BBC news just told me that buffy is now 20 years old, and that's terrifying.
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Mar 10, 2017 20:49
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quote:She hates the idea that politics is just a game, which is what she suspects the Cameroons have always believed. 
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Mar 10, 2017 20:54
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Being principled, but your principles are bad
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Mar 10, 2017 20:58
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Namtab posted:I have now. It seems like an accurate summary. Obviously a big issue for this thread is the fact that nobody really knows where Corbyn stands. Objectively I think he's after soft brexit but I really think there's been an issue with his message on the subject. This is something where I feel that he/the Labour pr machine are at fault. Corbyn's position on Brexit seems to be the only thing that's come close to shaking his dyed-in-the-wool supporters. I'm pretty sure that even the Canary seemed to have a moment of doubt over that. Did people just assume that of course he is and always has been pro-EU because the alternative is RACIST and the reports of his decades of Euroscepticism were some kind of smear campaign against him? Do people - even clued-in people - not know what the "Leave" stereotype in the last EU referendum looked like? 
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Mar 10, 2017 21:03
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Wheat Loaf posted:Corbyn's position on Brexit seems to be the only thing that's come close to shaking his dyed-in-the-wool supporters. I'm pretty sure that even the Canary seemed to have a moment of doubt over that. It's probably more that people didn't really give it much thought because the overwhelming majority of us complacently thought we'd win the referendum & it'd be a non-event. Hell, I only decided that Remain was hosed one or two days before, and based on nothing really other than general pessimism.
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Mar 10, 2017 21:09
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The thing is, a huge part of the narrative around Corbyn was that he would engage non-voters and young voters and really get them out to the ballots. In the EU referendum, young people overwhemingly supported Remain, but they just didn't turn out, while people who'd traditionally have been non-voters did turn out in droves... and voted Leave. I don't know. Maybe I'm just being too cynical. 
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Mar 10, 2017 21:14
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Wheat Loaf posted:Did people just assume that of course he is and always has been pro-EU because the alternative is RACIST and the reports of his decades of Euroscepticism were some kind of smear campaign against him? The thing is, nobody thought the EU was perfect. All left wingers have issues with the economic philosophy of the EU. But the upsides of Britain being in the EU (social, political, some economic and I think a lot would also say moral) are more important to Remain voters, and that's where they disagree strongly with Corbyn and feel betrayed by him. They think he's thrown the baby out with the bathwater.
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Mar 10, 2017 21:24
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Wheat Loaf posted:Corbyn's position on Brexit seems to be the only thing that's come close to shaking his dyed-in-the-wool supporters. I'm pretty sure that even the Canary seemed to have a moment of doubt over that. I think you're right - many ppl on both sides thought it was about foreigners because that was the thing easiest to engage with mentally
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Mar 10, 2017 21:25
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Namtab posted:BBC news just told me that buffy is now 20 years old, and that's terrifying. Did you prefer it when she was less than 16?
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Mar 10, 2017 21:27
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If the plan was to leave the EU and abolish neoliberalism, ok maybe I would believe you. But the plan seems to be to leave the EU to... give all power to a Tory neoliberal government that has already shown it wants to privatise everything and turn the UK into a tax haven??? Am I missing something here?
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Mar 10, 2017 21:28
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Hoops posted:
Yeah, "7/10" was maligned for not being enthusiastic enough but I thought it was the most honest stance to take on it. I think everyone I convinced to vote otherwise was an "on balance, it's worse leaving" argument rather than a "HOLY poo poo GOTTA GET US SOME MORE OF THOSE SWEET NEOLIBERAL DEAD PENSIONERS HOT drat" argument, because literally nobody likes that. Now it turns out that's 0/10 gently caress brussels I'm much more sour on him.
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Mar 10, 2017 21:29
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Hoops posted:The thing is, nobody thought the EU was perfect. All left wingers have issues with the economic philosophy of the EU. Fair enough. I don't really think I can claim to be one of them, to be honest. However, I do wonder how the dynamics may have been affected if Greece had ended up in crisis mode again either immediately before or during the campaign, because that's the only time in my politically-aware life (i.e. since 2006 or so) that I can recall a lot of ill-feeling towards the EU among people I would think of as being left-wing.
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Mar 10, 2017 21:30
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Pochoclo posted:If the plan was to leave the EU and abolish neoliberalism, ok maybe I would believe you. But the plan seems to be to leave the EU to... give all power to a Tory neoliberal government that has already shown it wants to privatise everything and turn the UK into a tax haven??? Am I missing something here? Yes
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Mar 10, 2017 21:31
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Pochoclo posted:If the plan was to leave the EU and abolish neoliberalism, ok maybe I would believe you. But the plan seems to be to leave the EU to... give all power to a Tory neoliberal government that has already shown it wants to privatise everything and turn the UK into a tax haven??? Am I missing something here?
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Mar 10, 2017 21:33
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LemonDrizzle posted:So BT's been forced to sell off Openreach to improve competition in broadband provision: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39228115 Nope openerach is just being moved to being a separate company under bt group and bt group still.own the assets A big win for BT
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Mar 10, 2017 21:36
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Namtab posted:I have now. It seems like an accurate summary. Obviously a big issue for this thread is the fact that nobody really knows where Corbyn stands. Objectively I think he's after soft brexit but I really think there's been an issue with his message on the subject. This is something where I feel that he/the Labour pr machine are at fault. I see two main issues. The first is that Corbyn actually has something in common with May. In his ideal world he may have wanted remain, but he voted for a referendum and I'm pretty sure his principles would consider that to be ceding the decision to the British public. So he's determined to enact the result even if it may not be his own opinion. And obviously him being very soft remain in the first place helps too. The second issue is that the PLP might be more or less sticking to their 'don't attack Corbyn' line, but that doesn't extend to actually supporting him or talking about his policies in any way. Dugdale on Question Time last night was a perfect example, she managed to attack the Tories but when everyone else on the panel turned on Labour she offered no defence whatsoever. It certainly makes getting a message out there very difficult.
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Mar 10, 2017 21:39
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Kegluneq posted:Did you prefer it when she was less than 16? Uh, what?
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Mar 10, 2017 21:45
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Namtab posted:Uh, what? When Buffy was less than 16 years old. 
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jabby posted:I see two main issues. Didn't he speak in favour of no2eu before becoming the leader? I know he certainly never did since that became a realistic possibility for him, but honestly I don't think he's that fussed about it in principle (probably is about what it's doing to the politics of the country though, and the sort of policies that suddenly became acceptable).
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Kegluneq posted:When Buffy was less than 16 years old. I'm not sure I like what you're trying to say about me, but I'm positive that I'd like you to stop.
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