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Tallgeese
May 11, 2008

MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR



Funny thing about this...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html

They apparently changed the title at some point, though who honestly knows when. Check the fine print at the bottom.

Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Mar 11, 2017

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Jukebox Hero
Dec 27, 2007
stars in his eyes

Fog Tripper posted:

You truly are just a jumble of word salad at this point. Did you have a stroke or something?

Why are you always so angry about everything

Smudgie Buggler
Feb 27, 2005

SET PHASERS TO "GRINDING TEDIUM"

Moridin920 posted:

You're really just illustrating the fundamental difference between right wing and left wing imo; the right wing seem to literally not care about anyone beyond their immediate circle of people and gently caress everyone else as long as their circle is being taken care of and provided for.

lmao how mentally ill are you if you consider giving a poo poo about quite literally everybody a fundamental moral imperative?

GREAT SATAN
Aug 1, 2014

by Fluffdaddy

Tallgeese posted:

Funny thing about this...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html

They apparently changed the title at some point, though who honestly knows when. Check the fine print at the bottom.

"American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump."

Article goes on to say the FBI, CIA, NSA, and others are involved. Those are the words of the article. So wiretapping was reported by the news. The only funny thing about this is that Trump comes out a month after that article is published and acts like he has some hot new info.

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost
Does the article mention Trump being wiretapped at all? It was my understanding that it is the Russians who were the target.

T.S. Smelliot
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Kjoery posted:

ive been doing a lotta coding recently, which sorta brings out my inner sperg

also, i just love the frog people, sorry. the rebranding that occurred from: white nationalist neo nazi -> alt right -> pepe is hilariously stupid, much like the entire alt-right platform.

I'm sorry can you clarify the taxonomy better? You appear to have a dichotomous key to aid you in your safari

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
is trump hosed yet

SBJ
Apr 10, 2009

Apple of My Eye

Laughter in the Sky

Mordor She Wrote posted:

Is this the new "well actually I'm a black woman you just couldn't tell because I'm on the internet."

No its just funny that the criticisms of islam and racism from someone who grew up in a muslim country and is an immigrant in the west is being handwaived away by a canadian who hands out socialists pamphlets.

Im just checking my privilege here. Isnt that what Im supposed to do when talking to the thought police?

T.S. Smelliot
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

SBJ posted:

No its just funny that the criticisms of islam and racism from someone who grew up in a muslim country and is an immigrant in the west is being handwaived away by a canadian who hands out socialists pamphlets.

Im just checking my privilege here. Isnt that what Im supposed to do when talking to the thought police?

You're a liar and/or fascist

SBJ
Apr 10, 2009

Apple of My Eye

Laughter in the Sky

T.S. Smelliot posted:

You're a liar and/or fascist

Quote: "I dont like christianity"
Response: "yeah awesome, gently caress those guys they are backwards and retarded"

Quote: "I dont like islam"
Response: "youre a racist/fascist/bigot"

Quote: "I dont like judaism"
Response: "youre hitler"

Krustic
Mar 28, 2010

Everything I say draws controversy. It's kinda like the abortion issue.

SBJ posted:

No its just funny that the criticisms of islam and racism from someone who grew up in a muslim country and is an immigrant in the west is being handwaived away by a canadian who hands out socialists pamphlets.

Im just checking my privilege here. Isnt that what Im supposed to do when talking to the thought police?

Pretty typical. Sad.

GREAT SATAN
Aug 1, 2014

by Fluffdaddy
edit: not worth it

GREAT SATAN fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Mar 11, 2017

Jukebox Hero
Dec 27, 2007
stars in his eyes
Hey how about nobody is racist or discriminatory and we try to teach people it's natural but not correct to discriminate based on religion or sexuality or skin color or nation

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

GREAT SATAN posted:

"Mr. Manafort is among at least three Trump campaign advisers whose possible links to Russia are under scrutiny. Two others are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign, and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative."

If I investigate all of your associates, I will likely learn a lot about you indirectly, wouldn't I?

Does the article say these people were wiretapped?

If you wiretapped the Russians and some Trump people get caught in the middle, well I guess it must suck to be in their situation

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

SBJ posted:

Quote: "I dont like christianity"
Response: "yeah awesome, gently caress those guys they are backwards and retarded"

Quote: "I dont like islam"
Response: "youre a racist/fascist/bigot"

Quote: "I dont like judaism"
Response: "youre hitler"

Fuckin' A.

Seriously, I'll be honest: Every time I hear this bending-over-backwards religion of peace stuff I just shake my head at how stupid all this has gotten. Because all of these religions are responsible for mostly heinous poo poo anymore. Basically Abrahamic religions are cluster fucks of violence and insanity sprinkled with some nice wisdom and the only real difference to that is how watered-down any given culture is to that stuff. If people stopped listening to the "God is love," peaceful preachers in the West and started reading and acting on their bible, they'd be loving savages.. or Westboro people so probably the same thing. Anyone who tells me Christanity is of peace clearly has never read the bible without a helpful preacher to guide them around the nasty parts. You know, stuff like slaughtering villages and magic bears murdering children for calling a guy bald.

Also you know what? I'll go one step further and say gently caress off to Israel too, as a nation. I loathe how any negativity to Israel or Judaism is so insanely tied to being "anti-Jewish." Nothing could be further from the drat truth. I don't support Israel because of the nation's bullshit, because like other places in the world, their leaders are corrupt as hell. To be honest I think at this point they only still exist to destabilize the middle east and keep them off our doorstep, so we fund them with ridiculous military hardware. I have major respect for any Israeli citizen who refuses to do their stint in the army, given the way they use their army. I'd probably take the jail time too, on principle. Overall I don't even have a problem with Israel existing and us supporting them in that endeavor, but despite the spin, it's pretty loving clear that the Middle East doesn't hate them purely for religious reasons.. stealing a bunch of land and then turning it into a ghetto makes them total dicks.

The fact that Israel, the nation that was founded BECAUSE of systematic racism, that was forced into ghettos under a boot heel became everything they hated is one hell of an irony. The fact all the old people lose their poo poo if the US doesn't 110% support Israel as a nation because they all believe in stupid prophecies is maddening as gently caress as are people who think the government of a state that's basically all about institutionalized war crimes is tied in any way to an ethnic group. Though I think some of that is the new syndrome of people being offended on other people's behalf, because most American Jews I've met think Israel is as much bullshit as I do. A nation is not a race, and neither is a religion.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
the thing about israel though that yes theyre pretty bad but so are all of their neighbours

its kinda like the syrian war, there are no good people to be found on any of the sides

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost
That a great portion of the US still literally believe in prophecies (maybe even more than in Israel) is maddening as gently caress I give you that.

That they are so many political efforts to keep it this way is downright scary

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

That a great portion of the US still literally believe in prophecies (maybe even more than in Israel) is maddening as gently caress I give you that.

That they are so many political efforts to keep it this way is downright scary

about 40% of the adult russian population believes that magic exists & that they have encountered it in their life at least once

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

the thing about israel though that yes theyre pretty bad but so are all of their neighbours

its kinda like the syrian war, there are no good people to be found on any of the sides

Didn't they literally sterilized black Jews?

The problem with Israel is that they will kill anyone standing in the way of reclaiming their God given country instead of being satisfied with what they have, and that most of the international forces condemned it. Without US support Israel would be in a much more difficult situation

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

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Nap Ghost

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

about 40% of the adult russian population believes that magic exists & that they have encountered it in their life at least once

Excepted that magic doesn't validate an Armageddon end of the world scenario where everyone who thinks different is tormented for eternity.

It's harmless

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

That a great portion of the US still literally believe in prophecies (maybe even more than in Israel) is maddening as gently caress I give you that.
prophecies and miracles are true though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs

Harrower
Nov 30, 2002
People are exactly the same regardless of what dumb societal constructs they've built around themselves, or what irrelevant rock they happened to be born near. The whole identity politics thing is merely a club with which to attack opponents with. The tenets and beliefs are cast aside or ignored the second they are no longer useful for that cause. Religion and superstition is a weird side effect of our barely functional, jury rigged biology and is always cast aside or embraced as practicality and convenience demands.

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

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Nap Ghost
Superstition is personal.

Religion is social, and often used as a force for shaping societies and politics, for good or bad.

Really not the same stuff

GREAT SATAN
Aug 1, 2014

by Fluffdaddy

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

Does the article say these people were wiretapped?

If you wiretapped the Russians and some Trump people get caught in the middle, well I guess it must suck to be in their situation

What does "at least three Trump campaign advisers [...] are under scrutiny" mean? You tell me, I could have it all wrong.

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

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Nap Ghost

GREAT SATAN posted:

What does "at least three Trump campaign advisers [...] are under scrutiny" mean? You tell me, I could have it all wrong.

People look for evidence incriminating them. Like calls to wiretapped Russian lines.

crime weed
Nov 9, 2009

SBJ posted:

[my criticism] is being handwaived away by a canadian who hands out socialists pamphlets.
you sure did get offended over this thing i didnt do. at all.

all i did was (correctly) list one of your stances. i dont think ive discussed muslim culture or islam at all in this thread.

(being easily offended or making up fake issues to become outraged over is also a frog person trait just fyi; you are not helping your case here)

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

the thing about israel though that yes theyre pretty bad but so are all of their neighbours

its kinda like the syrian war, there are no good people to be found on any of the sides
syria is one of these "gray" wars where every side has a "legitimate" reason for being angry at their enemies. they are all sometimes good but mostly bad, and the only thing that everyone more or less agrees on is that ISIS is not just bad but actually evil (which it is), which makes everyone fighting ISIS kinda the good guys.

israel is also mostly bad, but it's in the same gray zone. to survive in the mideast you have to be part of a tribe willing to throw down if anyone comes within your territory. actually i don't know if that's true, but people over there seem to have convinced themselves of that.

crime weed
Nov 9, 2009
though, if it makes you feel any better sbj, ill give you a free handwave to get upset over:

if you do hold a generalized hatred for mulims, thats p dumb

hope this helps!

GREAT SATAN
Aug 1, 2014

by Fluffdaddy

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

People look for evidence incriminating them. Like calls to wiretapped Russian lines.

edit: maybe you're right idk who cares lol

GREAT SATAN fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Mar 11, 2017

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

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Nap Ghost
The really sad thing with religions is that you have super cool stuff in all of them which is usually linked to a mysticism tradition, and then you have the always more tainted, fundamentalist/political aspect of it, which seem to aim for the complete opposite goal and sometimes even destroy any trace of the mystic tradition.

I think it's not very controversial to claim that Islamic, Jewish and Christian mysticism is great and that Islamic, Jewish and Christian fundamentalism is a pile of foul smelling stool

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

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Nap Ghost

GREAT SATAN posted:

That seems like an assumption.

That's literally the meaning of "being under scrutiny". These three words do not mean "being wiretapped".


Until we get proofs the Trump tower was wiretapped, Trump claims are an assumption. Or just a baseless lie like we are now used to with Donald.

e: fair enough lol

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
also i think, the size of the middle east is important here. it's a pretty small place, actually.

here in america, if i live in a crappy neighborhood or want to sell my house and move, i just do it. it's a pain in the rear end, but our individualistic society makes it easy to do, and land is relatively unimportant.

and there's one big giant hegemon called the U.S. federal government that makes those kinds of transactions and the freedom of movement over vast distances possible. and culturally, things are pretty homogeneous. you can drive across the whole territory without having to stop at any border checkpoints -- and stay in the exact same hotel chain the whole way.

now the width of the gaza strip is like 4 miles across. a fit person can walk across that length in about an hour. erbil, the capital of iraqi-kurdistan, is as far away from mosul as a commuter suburb is to downtown dallas. and these cities are very different culturally, linguistically, religiously. and your house is not just a thing [or an "asset"] but your family history, a symbol of the future salvation of your people -- and whatever else.

different mindset.

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Mar 11, 2017

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008

by Smythe

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

That a great portion of the US still literally believe in prophecies (maybe even more than in Israel) is maddening as gently caress I give you that.

That they are so many political efforts to keep it this way is downright scary

So you are both mad as gently caress and downright scared. Maybe take some meds, fam.

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
Fog tripper when you type fam everyone cringes the world over, even people who dont know you or read these forums. it's pretty impressive

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
THE ONLY EXERCISE I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH IS EXERCISING MY ABILITY TO MAKE A POST PEOPLE WANT TO READ

thathonkey posted:

Fog tripper when you type fam everyone cringes the world over, even people who dont know you or read these forums. it's pretty impressive

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008

by Smythe

thathonkey posted:

Fog tripper when you type fam everyone cringes the world over, even people who dont know you or read these forums. it's pretty impressive

I am convinced everyone has a superpower.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
my superpower is punching nazis with my deformed six finger fist

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/831541703043641344

the racist pepe hand symbol also known as the ok sign

Plucky Brit
Nov 7, 2009

Swing low, sweet chariot
I always knew every scuba diver was Alt-Right scum.

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SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/831541703043641344

the racist pepe hand symbol also known as the ok sign

I like how we now live in a parallel reality where CNN and FOX are fake news and mediamatters, gatewaypundit and breitbart are legit source of information

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