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Someone will have a meeting with trump right before the budget passes where they get him to agree to raising the debt ceiling because he is dumb and easily convinced. Count it.
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I wonder what its going to be like to be on base when youre told that no paychecks are ever going to come again and by the way no public assistance either
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Mar 12, 2017 16:21
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The Republicans are dumb but most of them are not suicidal. The debate will probably happen around the president since budget nonsense is boring and he'll sign off on whatever abhorrent consensus nonsense gets put on his desk.
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Mar 12, 2017 16:22
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what are the odds of CRISPR being used for anything besides eugenics
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Mar 12, 2017 16:23
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youd have to get down to orrin fuckin hatch, prez pro tem of the senate, in the succession before you have a potus who is likely to be pragmatic about the ceiling youd need a whirlwind of impeachments in the next month before you could feel somewhat ok
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Mar 12, 2017 16:24
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Squizzle posted:trumps gonna refuse the ceiling increase unless they pass trumcare first because if he doesnt get his name in shiny letters on a big victory then we'll burn down the species i guess Seems like a good strategy, link the two together. I don't see any downsides! Does the government shut down when we go up against the debt limit, or is it just the financial sector?
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Mar 12, 2017 16:25
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Really Pants posted:what are the odds of CRISPR being used for anything besides eugenics its not eugenics in the conventional sense tho if your letting everyone have children but they can gattaca them to their liking
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Mar 12, 2017 16:26
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Al! posted:I wonder what its going to be like to be on base when youre told that no paychecks are ever going to come again and by the way no public assistance either Maybe they will stay for the intrinsic rewards of military service
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Fiction posted:The Republicans are dumb but most of them are not suicidal. The debate will probably happen around the president since budget nonsense is boring and he'll sign off on whatever abhorrent consensus nonsense gets put on his desk. I predict bad dems will wave the wage white flag and given up even more concessions to the GOP majority.
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sullat posted:Seems like a good strategy, link the two together. I don't see any downsides! Does the government shut down when we go up against the debt limit, or is it just the financial sector? the govt first starts cutting things to try and eke a few more weeks of functional federal govt out of the treasury and when then that wont work anymore they shut down everything and also the economic basis of modern civilization worldwide disappears
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Mar 12, 2017 16:28
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if trump forces them to pass a debt limit increase over a presidential veto just lmao
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sullat posted:Seems like a good strategy, link the two together. I don't see any downsides! Does the government shut down when we go up against the debt limit, or is it just the financial sector? If they don't raise the ceiling in like a month or so then the us will start to default on its debt which would be the economic equivalent of that yellowstone supervolcano violently erupting
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Can't wait to be put on a reservation/zoo by telepathic CRISPR babies after they conquer the world with their superior genetics
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sullat posted:Seems like a good strategy, link the two together. I don't see any downsides! Does the government shut down when we go up against the debt limit, or is it just the financial sector? no but china gets to send a team of repo men to our national parks and monuments
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Mar 12, 2017 16:29
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at some point in all this maybe you get a scotus case desperately trying to declare the debt limit illegal on any basis they can think of, eg if you pass a budget for something you implicitly have authorized the debt to fund it
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Mar 12, 2017 16:30
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I remember when Trump toyed around with a partial default on our debt, like our country should be run like some kind of casino. And everyone on Wall St was like, yup this guy clearly knows what he's doing, and voted for him. Good times.
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Squizzle posted:at some point in all this maybe you get a scotus case desperately trying to declare the debt limit illegal on any basis they can think of, eg if you pass a budget for something you implicitly have authorized the debt to fund it nothing unconstitutional about the government being run by dumbasses unfortunately
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Mar 12, 2017 16:31
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:Can't wait to be put on a reservation/zoo by telepathic CRISPR babies after they conquer the world with their superior genetics im glad boomers never got their hands on this sort of tech or theyd have engineered everyone in the next generation to have severe disabilities just because gently caress you
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Mar 12, 2017 16:31
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That being said there is no way they aren't raising the debt ceiling.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:nothing unconstitutional about the government being run by dumbasses unfortunately staring down the barrel of a default could inspirsome innovations of legal theory
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Mar 12, 2017 16:32
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William Bear posted:Down with the experts!
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Mar 12, 2017 16:33
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the justices dont want to die somewhere between penury and apocalypse any more than most unbaloogans do
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Mar 12, 2017 16:33
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Bananasaurus Rex posted:That being said there is no way they aren't raising the debt ceiling. any time after 2016: "There's no way that x" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAeQiLmEYU
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Squizzle posted:staring down the barrel of a default could inspirsome innovations of legal theory It didn't last time.
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Bananasaurus Rex posted:That being said there is no way they aren't raising the debt ceiling. This is the trump era. If it's a good/correct/sane thing for the govt to do, well, I'll believe it when it actually happens.
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Squizzle posted:the justices dont want to die somewhere between penury and apocalypse any more than most unbaloogans do Except for Thomas and maybe Alito.
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:Can't wait to be put on a reservation/zoo by telepathic CRISPR babies after they conquer the world with their superior genetics They'll mind scan you and realize you're one of the good ones. Look forward to serving cocktails at fancy parties.
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Mar 12, 2017 16:35
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Raskolnikov38 posted:no but china gets to send a team of repo men to our national parks and monuments lookin' forward to anyone trying an actual invasion of the homeland, it'll give the crazies something to do
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sullat posted:It didn't last time. we had Obama willing to negotiate for a conventional solution last time, if the courts think theyre the last thing keeping the dam from bursting you could see some poo poo happen
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Mar 12, 2017 16:36
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BUSH 2112 posted:is there really any reason to speculate that they'd let us go into default? the democrats have zero power, there's no reason (beyond the GOP's shared profound mental retardation) that they would do it. as an undergrad taking a political science course i once asked the professor why the us cannot just default on all its sovereign debt and the response was a mealymouthed wall of text about precedent and good faith and blah blah blah and im like yo argentina defaulted and recovered from it just fine and they DIDN'T have the worlds largest economy and infrastructure and military and ability to bully the rest of the world into doing what they want to which he told me i did not understand the complexity so someone here in cspam tell me complexity of what prevents big swinging dick us of a from just being like nah we dont owe u nerds poo poo wanna do something about it try it i will blow up this entire goddamned planet to spite you for it i will have a mcskillet and a large chocolate shake please
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Addamere posted:as an undergrad taking a political science course i once asked the professor why the us cannot just default on all its sovereign debt and the response was a mealymouthed wall of text about precedent and good faith and blah blah blah argentina's currency isn't the global reserve nor is their debt the bedrock of modern capitalism
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Squizzle posted:trumps gonna refuse the ceiling increase unless they pass trumcare first because if he doesnt get his name in shiny letters on a big victory then we'll burn down the species i guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g Deal from strength or get crushed every time (and also do not pay your singing little girls) 
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Addamere posted:as an undergrad taking a political science course i once asked the professor why the us cannot just default on all its sovereign debt and the response was a mealymouthed wall of text about precedent and good faith and blah blah blah Argentina's debt was mostly owned by foreign investors. The US's sovereign debt is mostly owned by Americans. Pension funds and Social Security, to name a few. You want to tell the SSA that they can get pennies on the dollar for everything in the trust fund? Well, I mean, Trump probably does, and Ryan would propose some sliding scale where everyone over 66 is unaffected and everyone under 66 has to contribute a kidney to make up the difference, but most American investors don't want their rock-solid assets to suddenly lose half their value or whatever.
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Hannity notwithstanding, I'll never understand why conservative radio hosts play the debt ceiling game - they know it would be complete apocalypse if it happens.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:argentina's currency isn't the global reserve nor is their debt the bedrock of modern capitalism right so they have considerably less strength in their dealing position!!! sullat posted:Argentina's debt was mostly owned by foreign investors. The US's sovereign debt is mostly owned by Americans. Pension funds and Social Security, to name a few. You want to tell the SSA that they can get pennies on the dollar for everything in the trust fund? Well, I mean, Trump probably does, and Ryan would propose some sliding scale where everyone over 66 is unaffected and everyone under 66 has to contribute a kidney to make up the difference, but most American investors don't want their rock-solid assets to suddenly lose half their value or whatever. but president donald told me china owns most of our debt seems like defaulting is a great way to screw them over
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:Can't wait to be put on a reservation/zoo by telepathic CRISPR babies after they conquer the world with their superior genetics thats the great thing about crispr, its really just a virus so we can (at least theoretically) use it on living things! With 5 simple payments you too can become a telepathic crispr monster (as seen on tv!)
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Mar 12, 2017 16:40
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Squizzle do you ever sleep or are you two people
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what's the exact date the ceiling has to be raised by?
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Addamere posted:as an undergrad taking a political science course i once asked the professor why the us cannot just default on all its sovereign debt and the response was a mealymouthed wall of text about precedent and good faith and blah blah blah because doing so would prove once and for all that capitalism is a lie and make economists very very sad
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Squizzle posted:the govt first starts cutting things to try and eke a few more weeks of functional federal govt out of the treasury and when then that wont work anymore they shut down everything and also the economic basis of modern civilization worldwide disappears weird how it would all be in people's heads physical reality would be exactly the same, there'd be just as much stuff in the world but cause everyone agrees poo poo is hosed it's hosed
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